There are strong suggestions Belle was a work of fiction - as good as it is it's unclear how well it's been researched - what is likely is that it's spun to appeal to punters ....

Not giving it as much credence myself, as real interactions with real hookers.  Maybe it's just me but they don't talk the way Belle does, they have their own reasons, and no I don't mean the sick great-uncle / medical bills / etc etc.

Yes certainly true. Each individual WG has their own unique reasons - Their own ambition for materialism & development. Some are just poverty-stricken and perhaps instead of working in a farm, they decide to be a WG (through their own choice) so why feel pity for them.

Yeah whether exit strategy or not, but I reckon WG's choice is due to;
1. The major point is the need of money. Many of the prostitutes are from a poor family. Their accute proverty forced them to opt this occupation.
2. Girls who were avoided by their busy parents during their childhood and pupilage, suffers from frustations and it leads them to become alcoholic and sometimes they take drugs. They do sex with other people to fullfill the need of company and at last it turns them into prostitution.
3. So many educated women don't manage to get a job in this highly competative world, so they chhose it as an earning option as they always tried to be self-dependant.
4. Some women, especially collegeage girls, whose expenditure exeeds the the money provided by her parents/guardian, turns to part time prostitutes.(this is sometimes true for married/working women).
5. Working women with high ambition, when can not fullfill their dreams by their own capability, use their body to get promotion or something like that. Practicing the habit turns them to prostitite.
6. Some married women whose husbands can not fulfill their physical demands goes to other people to get the satisfaction. As a result of that at last they become a free of cost prostitutes.
7. Some girls who has no work in hand, i.e. finished their study or continuing it anyway and their parents have no plan to arrage her marriage, sometimes use to do sex for enjoyment or timepass, at last turns into a prostitute.
8. Now some gils and women especially from elite family doing physical with more than one people for enjoyment. After sometime there is a high possibility of turning it to frustation and tending them to prostitution.

I think we have to be mindful not to paint everyone with the same brush, ie saying all westerners are this way or that or all Chinese people are this or that.  There certainly are WGs, particularly in China, that are forced into their work.  The WGs we encounter here mostly are here on a voluntary, though not always legal, basis.  They have different reasons, different motivations, different burdens to discharge.  There are some that genuinely like the work, some that tolerate the work and some just loathe the work but needed the cash quick so the next toad is welcome.  Some make a lot of money and some just cannot even break even on the cost to come to HK.  The HGs in particular, have a lifestyle that is going to be tough to take long term, with the scheduling and the late hours.  Those HGs that have been here long enough we usually can see the tiredness in their eyes.  Walk ups that have legal papers many times keep a normal set of hours and go home to family etc.  What is my point?  I guess just to say let's not generalize.  I am sure every WG has a story, just like every one of us has one.

Thats true, sweeping generalizations are never valid! Amen to that!
Heck, sometimes my work is too stressful, anybody have pity on me?
You know what, sex is a pleasureable act and I am sure - regardless of who WG is having sex with - she will experience pleasure at some point during the act... getting paid for pleasure, what a job!

Isn't that what rapists like to tell themselves? Do you really think that a young, beautiful, 20 year old babe feels any pleasure at all being fucked by a middle-aged, overweight, sweaty, smelly, probably ugly guy who's just there to be sucked and fucked before going back to his normal life where that same WG would most certainly not be welcomed. She's there for business, not pleasure, and the best she can hope for is a quick, pain-free fuck and a small tip. You wanna give her pleasure - give her a big tip.

Yeah you are right in this aspect, that the WG gains more pleasure from the cash than the sex itself. But surely, not all punters are as you describe - middle-aged, overweight, sweaty and smelly. I for one, am neither of what you describe. I merely like the fact that you can have sex anyway, anytime, anyhow you want.. But surely, atleast sometimes, the WG must orgasm thus gaining pleasure.

But, I agree with you man, without money, I doubt the punter will be inside her in the first place, so the money is really more pleasureable than the sex to her. The point is, she has to work for the money just as we do jobs that provide more pleasure when we receive our paycheck than the work itself. So, to answer the threads question, thats why I feel no pity about the WG.

I'll agree that generalizing is impossible when it comes to WGs.  

I don't feel sorry for the Korean WGs working to support their coke and gambling habit, but how about the young Chinese girl who was tricked by some punk who claimed to have loved her, got her to run away from home, then told her that the loan sharks are going to kill him unless he can come up with some money fast and ends up selling her pussy on the streets of Donguan or somewhere?

I saw  a documentary about a situation just like that, except she needed to make more money (or so her BF said) and offered BBFS for an extra 100 rmb a session then contracted HIV.  Sad fucking case, and hell yeah I pity her badly.

There are also girls who have 0 skills and need to make money to support her family in (name your poor ass Chinese village).  Some of these girls really are forced by their families using guilt, filial piety/duties so that her brothers can eat or go to school.

You choose who to pity, you can't or can pity WGs in general.

Are things really still that backward in China? How come I read all these articles about the booming economy in China and how it's gonna take over from the US as the world's leading power? How can they waste billions of $$, putting men into space for example, when they can't even take care of their own people.

It doesn't matter what country you are from, poverty, pimping and prostitution for whatever reasons will exist.  So if you ask how come a country can't take care of their own people, you are pretty much asking the same question to every single country because even in the states, millions of people go hungry even though the US grows surplus crops annually and in order to keep farmers alive, they have to rid a lot of it to keep prices up.

so you are saying that in US, no men borrow money from loansharks?
no girls sell themselves to support their men?
and no girls get HIV from doing BB with their customers?

The booming economy in China will take over the US regardless of how their stance on prostitution. The gross domestic product is a measure of economic output and it does not have an explicit prostitution or "how they take care of people" term in it.

Although at opposite ends of the political spectrum, the US and China seem to have a lot in common. I still can't believe that the richest country in the world can't provide universal health care for all its citizens.

But many European countries have great welfare systems and nobody goes hungry or has to resort to prostitution, except by choice. UK isn't the best [by a long way] but if I went back there now, I could sign on for the dole and, with government handouts, could live comfortably without having to work. And that's as a young, single man, which is the worst situation. If I was married with a bunch of kids, I'd never need to work, haha.

Are you aware of the population of the countries you have referred to? China has The highest population in the world, i.e. > 1billion people. This is the reason why resources are so stretched and not everyone has access to the things you named.

can you imagine if US population exceeds 1 billion, than based on its current resources i speculate it would do even worse than what china is doing.

That's why, despite its booming economy, China is still a third-world country and always will be until it gets rid of their corrupt leaders - which won't be any time soon. Whether  the boom continues remains to be seen. Somehow, I doubt it.

If you are right then India will be the next superpower

USA's GDP is about 5 times that of China, whilst US population is about one third i.e. US to China income ratio is about 15:1.  Yes, China is predicted to be bigger economy than USA but that is a long ways off, and based on current factors which could change over time.

Anyway, aren't we deviating from the topic? The question about feeling "pity", which this thread has shown is a grey area, there is no single black and white answer. The reasons a girl takes up the "profession" are many and varied. Seems to be agreement that Bros pity girls who are forced, tricked, etc., but not those who do it willingly, although we are getting a mixed message regarding those who do it due to economic hardship.

I do feel empathy for the WGs who work due to real financial issues, but not pity. I'm sure many from China, Thailand, Vietnam, etc., need the money for more than just their own purposes. These girls are real people and all have their stories, and I believe most Bros agree they should be treated well and fairly. I'm sure most WGs would prefer we give them some  respect rather than our pity ..... and our business.

I find it hard to accept the argument the WGs are "greedy".  They work reasonably hard, their careers are relatively short lived, and their work carries risks such as; medical, personal safety, emotional, and rip-offs (from handlers and customers). In any case, if we see the WG as greedy doesn't that risk the mongerer being portrayed as a potential victim?  I don't see any victims here.

Here's my take on this rather interesting subject.  There are so many perspective that you could take for this matter but of course, in the end, you gotta take a stand somewhere and you'll find out what I think about this after reading through my post....

Just for a second, let's just step outside the WG world and start to think about what girls could do with their bodies other than to accept a bit of donation from us horny guys, er, I meant paying customers   When it comes to playing games, girls can do wonders with their bodies, and the so called GFE, as we all really enjoy and seek.  Given the right amount of attitude or GFE persona, you won't be able to run away from her cupids arrows.  The real problem arises when she baits you in with her body and keeps you to stay by showering you with GFE, you're gonna be attached to her.  Once she realizes the power she yields, she can pretty much get any guy she wants....and this is where the problem arises.  These girls can smash a guy's ego essentially ruining the guy because she will go after green.  This is how a girl picks a mate to settle down with and I hope I didn't shatter anyone's dreams here.  So what happens to the poor chap who pours his heart out for the girl and works his arse off for her trying to give her the world?  Nothing.  He gets a huge rude awakening.  Sure, there's always exceptions in this world but those come far and few in between so don't hold your breath too long coz you only live 36,500 days if you make it to 100 years of age    Those guys who have been around the block can pretty much attest to this.

Throw in education to the mix and you further complicate things a bit.  For those of you living in highly educated society, you'll realize that a girls expectation and morals goes up real high in which case they will settle only for a guy at a level above them or at least the same.  Translation, that dude better be successful, have a good paying job, or already has lots in the bank.  You certainly won't find too many girls selling their bodies in this society but what happens is that even no so pretty girls can bag guys.  Again, in this instance, the poor chap who is average joe won't be able to settle down with a chick.  Worse, it may be hard to get laid in these types of societies.

Ironically, I've shared this opinion with a bunch of guys and most usually agree that we have the shorter end of the stick but one guy mentioned something that adds yet another complication.  Sure, we can save up a bunch of dough, and maybe you are already successful but the problem becomes....banging a bunch of chicks will become routine and dare I say it - not as interesting.  Perhaps, the law of diminishing returns holds firm and strong in this case.  I know some guys on the verge of cashing out all their money, 401K, sell their house, and max out all of their credit card limits to go off to some 3rd world and enjoy a hot chick everyday for the rest of his life.  Sounds great doesn't it?  But, they don't.  A majority do realize that it gets old and they would rather go for an educated girl even despite getting laid less often.  Do I agree?  Well....

Let's get back to reality now and the WG.  Not for one second would I or should I have pity for her.  Girls already have the advantage and if that hot chick is willing, treat it simply as a business transaction.  Just think of it this way, if girls have an option, they would rather go for the guy that can provide them the most, financially with emotional and physical aspects being bonuses.  It's much easier for girls to upgrade then it is for a guy to.

Hopefully, I don't sound anal but you do find good girls in this capitalist world but don't forget about all the ups and downs that comes along with having any normal relationship which is probably what lead most of us to WG in the first place.  I also do believe that you could settle down with one chick as long as you two know how to stay "connected" through the relationship.  A girl who knows how to balance emotions, physical, and finances is definitely a keeper.  It's hard to have that balance so better enjoy what you're missing, leave the pity at home, and bust the biggest load in her mouth....ahhh.....that's my utopia.   Has anyone ever tried spreading your load between 2 or even 3 mouths?  Is this called 2CIM or 3CIM?  Hahaha... I think I may have invented a new term and this is my very first post.

Say what? I don't really understand where you're coming from with all this b-movie stuff bro. 99% of us don't visit WGs looking for true love - all we want is a commitment-free fuck with a good-looking young girl. These chicks have no power whatsoever over anyone. This "she can pretty much get any guy she wants" evil-genius scenario is way off the wall. If these girls could get anyone they wanted, they wouldn't need to sell their bodies for lunch-money to any toad who walks through the door. So don't you think you're being just a tad too melodramatic with this femme-fatale thing?. The vast majority of these girls are just normal chicks trying to make a living.

[ Last edited by  Marsupial at 31-8-2009 15:11 ]

Further to my earlier posts, I did not mean that even by not making generalizations there are no real life sob stories.  It is just that we cannot say all WGs are there for the same needs or reasons.

Even though China is growing in GDP and should overtake the US at some point, this rapid growth is coming with social costs.  One of these costs is the continued existence of the cultural, educational and therefore income gaps for the haves and have nots, which in this case coastal, urban versus inland, rural.  Culturally, the rural mindset is not to devote resources to the girls when then grow up.  They get no education but they are looked to help out with feeding the family.  Without education, what can these girls do?  They go to the urban or coastal areas looking for opporunties and there they see these hugely rich people that have money they cannot imagine.  In order to capture as much of this money in the shortest amount of time without any qualifications or education, these girls turn to the oldest profession known.

These social disparity exists across all lines and, to me, represents the singular most serious challenge to the Chinese leaders.  Incidentally, my opiniion is that the leadership, particularly in the last 20 years, have been remarkably pragmatic and have continuity in its strategy.  Both are important to make the right compromises to achieve the end results to support the re-assertion of China as a major global power.  I can say that China is one of the most capatalistic societies in the world, not withstanding its communist idealogy banners etc.

Are we now on the way to solving the problems of the world?