That's an interesting thought. It is possible that in some families they're very poor and just have different values that they believe prostitution is not as bad as it seems. You never know, some peoplehave values quite scewed from the norm.

It may be helpful to classify wgs into different reasons why they do it:
1) They need money for family and do it voluntarily
2) They were abducted and trafficked (now here's a case where it's definitely bad to monger, but this is what I was referring to as: this is not so much the case in HK as opposed to 3rd world countries)
3) They want to buy their Gucci handbags (the latest trend)

With this I'd say mongering for 1 is better than 3 which is better than 2.

And alright, I admit mongering isn't exactly a virtue (I'll get my CT brain soon). But it's not totally bad too. As pointed out above, it may reduce the incidence of rape, and perhaps even extra-marital affairs and keep families stable? (if you don't count mongering as affairs) That's a stretch I admit.

You mean politics?

I mean, also sometimes, you love ur partner but they won't do something or don't have something so you just want to be able to try and then get rid of that desire.You know what I'm talking about.

I'd rather she work as a "checkout gal at my local Wellcome store."

I think you've hit on semething there bro.   Mongering could actually keep families together if the guy can get what he wants from a WG and doesn't look elsewhere, i.e affairs, which can break up a marriage. Tiger should have mongered secretly.

I think sexpert's the expert on this

[ Last edited by  pisser at 11-2-2010 15:14 ]

if my daughter ever became a prostitute, I'll disown her. that may sound heartless but I will never be able to withstand that knowledge. it would just be disheartening.

I've lived in Thailand for the last 4 1/2 years. Most of the girls who work in the beer bars or the go-go's come from either the north of the country or the north-east, both of which are very poor regions.

I would say that most of the girls send money back to their family in their village to help pay for the up-keep of their parents/children/brothers. (For brother, read boyfriend or husband!)

A small number of girls do save their money but the majority are incapable of thinking beyond tomorrow, if even as far ahead as that.

Alan

you would think that thinking about tomorrow is the first thing on their minds. I mean they are doing this because they have no other alternatives so you would think the motivation is strong to save and get the hell out as quickly as possible. But I've also heard once you are in this lifestyle, ie prostituting yourself  when  you get older you will still be involved in it in some way whether as a pimp or a mama. It's a cycle for them

If they can handle the job of fucking numerous guys, it must be very difficult to turn their backs
on that kind of 'easy' money and move to one where they have to work more and are paid far less.

I guess like anything, it was probably hard to do in the beginning but the longer you do something the less "offensive" it becomes. Kind of like the Mafia used to say, the hardest guy you'll ever kill is the first one... it gets easier from there on in.

It is the same with working as a middle manager in a large corporation, firing your 1st colleague/staff is the hardest too...then it does easier from then on too.  

Of coz someone of you guys have been lucky not to ever fire someone who works with you.

i think is pointless considering all the useless issues when theres hot ass to be had

The virtues of mongering is that your "wife" don't need to work so hard to please you....

In my opinion there are basically no victims, neither the prostitute (except the trafficked ones) neither the customer.

I've never felt any guilty during or after I had sex with a prostitute.

I've never thought of the virtues of mongering and in my opinion to start considering any virtue out of it, would be just a way to find excuses to what I'm doing. Whereas I don't have to find any excuse because I'm convinced I'm not doing anything wrong. So no need to hope to be forgiven by any god.

The thing is, I was deeply against prostitution a while back. If I had sex with a WG a that time, I would have felt the same way as some (most ?) of you here feel.
After thourough reading and thinking about different important subjects about life, I came to  change my view on prostitution (only when the girl is not forced by a pimp to do that) which I would never have imagined possible. It's only a while after that change I started mongering. And if I was married at that time, I would have probably never mongered even after I've changed my view on prostitution.

To the question; " Would you prefer you daughter to be a prostitute or to work as waitress in a restaurant ?"

I'm not a father, so my answer can only be theoretical.

At this moment, I can honestly answer that I would prefer my daughter to do what makes her more happy and hope she makes the best decision for herself and never regret it. If she choses to be prostitute because she thinks that's her best alternative, so be it !!!
I would never disown my daughter for doing something wich I honestly don't think is wrong, as being a prostitute.
Off course, I think prostitution is a shitty job for many reasons. Therefore, I would rather her doing something better but that doesn't mean I found prostitution immoral.
I would rather my son not to be a refuse collector, I do think it's a shitty job. Though, I don't think it's a despicable job and condemn whomsoever employs people for that job.

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Off course they have other alternatives. The thing is they think it's their best alternative and I do respect their choice. Some stick to Mac Donald's, 7eleven, factory jobs etc...and I do respect their choice too. It's all about choice !!!
Some accept to work long hours getting a low pay at the end of the month others can't and choose prostitution.

Last june I was with a bar girl...she said she had been doing that job for 3 monts and she quit bedause she didn't want to work as bar girl anymore. She spent her last night in Pattaya with me. She told me she was going in another city (Samut Sakhon) to work in wood industry. I thought she was lying like many girls do.
But when I was back home a few days later, I gave her a call...to my surprise I could hear a lot of noise coming from a chain-saw or similar tool. So she wasn't lying.
My point is, she was a Bar girl because she thought it was her best alternative. When she realised she couldn't put up with that job anymore, she chose to do something else.
Her alternatives were the same before and after she chose to work as a bar girl. Her needs were the same before and after (baby to raise, familly to take care etc...) only her choice changed.

Some girls work like 2 weeks in Bar and decide it's not for them and go back working 7eleven. Others do have a legit job, and go freelancing at night.
I knew a girl who was a translatorin thai/german and was freelancing at night in discos. She told me several times she was getting more money from her day job than from her night job (of prostitute). She needed more money to set up her own business (opening a coffee shop or something like that)

It sounds to me  that some of these girls don't think of tomorrow just because they are stupid. I may sound hard, every time I tried to have a serious conversation to understand what they plan in future, they get annoyed because they don't like to talk anything serious. All they want is sanook (fun !). No wonder, they like to say " Don't think too much".

The last girl I tried to have that kind of conversation told me that what she wanted is to find a farang boyfriend/husband who would send her 20000 bht a month while she stays in Thailand. That was her only plan to leave the business.

[ Last edited by  conqueror77 at 16-2-2010 22:25 ]

I think there are virtues for society.

Many men are caught in a bad marriage and are staying together for the kids.
But all men need stress relief, so if the bitch wife is not doing her part, then what is a man to do?

Getting the pent up stress/anger out is really important, or else it can lead to bad things (like violence) down the road.

So WG's do their part for society too. Its just an escape and a release for men.

Can you imagine a world with high-strung, pent-up, angry men?

For that matter there'd be a lot of jobs that I'd prefer my (theoretical) daughter not take.  I wouldn't want her working on an auto assembly line, and yet I still drive a car.  I wouldn't want her working at a nuclear power station, and yet I still use electricity.  Yes I know, my objections therein are more the typical 'parental' objection that drives adults to want all their kids to go to medical school, law school, or whatever 'high achiever' situation you choose to conjure up.  That's very different from the emotional affrontery posed by one's offspring going into hooking.

However what is the same is that we all use the services of others from professions we would not pursue ourselves.  Nothing wrong with that, and if we appreciate that service from others just as we like to be appreciated in our work, it goes a long way to making this world work out for everyone.

Alternatively, would you be happy for your son to travel regularly to HK on business and F*CK his brains out with WG's every time? As long as he gets his work done right? LOL.

As an alternative line of thought, lets talk about the man who is happily married, sincerely loves his wife and family and is very happy with his "lot" in life except for one thing... His wife wont suck his C*CK... or she wont take it up the ass, or whatever it is he's desperately into.

Does the man:

(1) live his life unfulfilled and unsatisfied, always looking at other women and wondering "would she..."?
(1a) become frustrated with his wife as the issue begins to negatively effect their relationship.
(2) officially "cross the line" and have an affair with someone who WILL suck him off...
(2a) ultimately leave his wife and shack up with the new chick?
(3) Monger when he's out of town to satisfy his urges, returning home to wife and family totally fulfilled and satisfied?

I dont think "virtue" is the right word, but I can definately see some benefits to mongering beyond just getting your "rocks off". Agree?

as long as he's ...
  a) not doing it on MY $$ and
  b) uses a raincoat
... then fine!  

Just goes to show there are lots of shades of grey.  Well worth looking at closely.  Not sure how I'd feel if he chose to be a rent-boy, mind you!  

BTW ... I find it highly ironic that in HK the "good" girls all EXPECT their guy to pay their way.  WTF????   Of course, they would never touch any of your MONEY.  They won't let you give them an advance to go out and buy a nice pair of shoes or something: that would be so wrong, wouldn't it!  Utterly degrading!!!  But if you're there in person?  No problem.  Same bag.  Same $.  TOTALLY different, isn't it?? and SOOOO romantic ...   

Of course, as a kid I bought unthinkingly into the hypocritical bullshit, and thought nothing more of it.  But it only takes a little critical thinking for the house of cards about prostitution being wrong to come crashing down.  

In its place I look at where is the win / win.  

Does she have options to giving me sex in return for my money, options that are safe sane and legal?  If she does, she's welcome to exercise her choice with me

In the end, they "use" us as much as we "use" them. Why do you think they deploy the sob stories whenever you get close? By close I mean repeat customer because those of us here who are experienced know never to get too close to a WG.

So the virtues for them may or may not be pulling their families out of poverty. Especially the ones from the PRC who are from the village and are struggling to move their family into the City. Do I think I'm doing her a service by paying her? No, she is selling her body but she could be doing a lot worse. What could that be? I don't know.

It it what it is.