In the past few weeks, I've been noticing a discouraging trend of WGs trying to rip me off.  I've had 3 such incidents in the past 5 punts.

Most of the time the cheat involved the WG quoting a price at the door, and then unjustifiably increasing it after the deed was done.  I've had plenty of punting experience, so I know I was cheated.  In the past, I used to always once in awhile get one of these encounters, which I tolerated.  The amounts were not huge, say a $100-$200 off the block.  But to me, it's the principle of it.  

As a result, I've decided to reduce my punting significantly from 2-3x per week to 1x.  I hope more bros follow my lead, and let these WGs know firsthand that cheating isn't good for business.

Have any other punters noticed this as well?

You are asking us to not fuck as much???  

Hmmmmmmm, think you need a different strategy.

When you go in, take the money out that you agreed on, show it to her and put it somewhere in the open.  But don't let her take it.  No more confusion.

It's not an issue of confusion - It's premeditated deception.  I think with your method, they'll still find a way to fleece extra $ out of you if they really want to.

can you give like a couple of examples how they rip you off?

Sure, here are a few ways they've milked more...

(1) Quoting a low price to get you in the door, then changing price after

In one instance, I ask the price at the door, WG says $380 (at a walkup where FS is that rate and there's no mention that it's HK or Massage or whatever).  Provides the FS services (without questions or comments), and after done handing her the money (often +tip), WG says "$380 was for HJ, FS is $480".  I know I've been cheated, cause I can see her cheeky smile before/after I hand over an extra $100.  I just hand it over cause I don't want any trouble over such a small amount.  

Another example, a WG quoted me $500 at Kam Bong (just to get me in the door cause the usual rate is $600 at KB) and then when it was done, I handed over $550, she said it's $580 (not because of any additional services, etc) and that I must've misheard her.  I know what I heard, so it was just a tactic she used.   Anyway, such a small amount and I don't want any trouble again.  My point is it's the principle and it's not good for business.  Most of these WGs are very short-term thinkers.


(2) The 30 min clock routine

I've had a few experiences where the WG claimed time went beyond 30 mins, and I'm pretty sure it didn't (even if it did, we're talking maybe 5 mins).  They wanted a $1,000 but I just gave them a couple extra hundred cause I didn't want any trouble.  But I knew I was cheated again by the cheeky smile, and even had one young one (FYI, Kam Bong 8th floor, 2nd door on left) saying something rudely like, "there'll be more customers to cheat".

By giving in without complaint or arguing you are making the problem worse, grow a set and stand up for yourself.

Why are you worried about making a scene, its not like you are standing in the middle of the street with a 1000 onlookers

Sorry iif I sound a bit harsh but if you will not fight your own battles I don't see why we should do it for you

Yep.

Another easy solution.

Since you'll never go back, take her picture if you can after you pay. She cheated you and she knows she has the upper hand. Then you take the upper hand by taking her picture. This is one way of letting her know you will warn others about her on line. She will try to hide so do it fast. If you fail, or are fearful, take a picture of her door. She'll see you do it on her monitor. Just when she comes out screaming gently remind her that there are better ways to do business than pissing in your bath water. Just for fun you might suggest the she return the disputed extra amount to delete the pix. Fair play is fair play.

If you see her neighbors, remind them that her actions ruin it for the whole building.

You are right.  I probably should've made more of a stand.  

However, the reason I didn't is because I've been reading on the forum of guys who ran into similar situations, and what was not a scene quickly turned into one (eg. thugs, cops, etc).  I don't want that shit - especially not over such a small amount.

If it was $1,000+ difference, then I would.  Anyway, I'm not asking anyone to fight my fights for me - just punters who've had similar experiences should reassess their situations.

She took your money without permission. You were extorted anyway.

You are also not supposed to let them have any info that would allow them to extort you as a matter of principle. Only a pre pay sexphone is the only thing you should use.

Taking a picture without permission may get you in far more trouble. I've only been cheated once I a walkup. I've been good since. I agree to a price, count the money with her and stick it in my shirt,breast pocket, where she can see.  Hard to argue after that.

my 2 cents

1.don't take a photo if they say no photo, it will lead to loss of your phone or a beating by her "brother"

2. if they cheat you by some $100 or so, just go with it and don't come back . my father's advise to me" don't get your ass kicked by some thug just to save $ 20 (that US dollars)

between the "principle of the thing", also understood as "face" in asia, and a beating, I'll skip the beating every time .

Keep on mongering

There are always a few greedy ones out there. They usually have friends that have wealthy customers. Those friends usually
do not work any more. One chick once told me that her customer gives her $50K HKD per month and rented an apartment for her that he pays for every month among a few other things that I can not list on here. So she says that she has to sit there and Fuck from morning till night time and deal with customers over $40-100 HKD difference. She is jealous of her friend/s and
wants the most from her customers. Usually this means cheating or not returning change unless you push for it. They put you
in the corner to make you look like the bad guy as they play their money games with you. Not all girls are like this but there
definitely are quite a few out there.

I suppose the best one can do is just to post her name and address on here to warn others then her business goes downhill
from repeat customers that come from the web. Those that have not done their homework and just walk in off the streets
could fall victim to one of these women. There is good and bad every where out there.

A few questions:

1) Are you Chinese?
2) What language are the conversations in?

I have had some ladies jack the price up on me, but many of those times, I hadn't firmly confirmed the price and was going off what was advertised on the sites. Sometimes, I will show them the price, but they still argue. I chalk it up to "foreigner tax". I also don't speak Chinese, so communication is difficult. Sometimes, I can play this to my advantage, but I usually end up paying something.

There was one lady recently (can't remember the name, so I will have to search for it), and the price was something like $380 on the site. She wanted to charge me $400, so I figured whatever, I just won't tip. As we got going, she wanted to nickel-and-dime me for everything... +100 for BBBJ, +50 for fingering, +100 for DATY. I said no to most of those and did not partake, but she tried to charge me for them at the end anyway. I told her no, I was only paying $500 for the FS + BBBJ or whatever it was. She wanted $580 or some bullshit. I said, no. One of the girls next door came in to help sort it out and I held my ground and walked off. She wasn't happy, but her friend seemed to understand and told the girl to give it a rest.

EDIT:
I think it was this girl Sum Ching (Sum Yee on other site). If it wasn't her, I did try her and was disappointed, but didn't report earlier.

[ Last edited by  ramont at 3-3-2014 20:27 ]

mmm. Thanks for the good oil.
I wonder how regularly this happens?

I guess something to be mindful of not being able to speak anything other than Australian when visiting HK.

I had a similar thing happen to me in sham sui  po the girl held up 2 fingers at the door signalling 200hkd, I should of known better becsuse she opened the door before I even rang the bell to usher me inside (big mistake going along with her). anyway after the worst service in the world she demanded 250....I was reluctant to pay but thought why argue over such a tiny amount of money (esp when converted back to my home currency gbp).

since then.....I always reject a girl who opens a door to get me in before ive even rung the bell, and where english is an issue I always pay first. the way I see it if I dont pay first and get a terrible service......ive still got to pay the girl anyway...haven't I guys? or she'll call the police?

maybe she'll get a thug on me, but a thug would think twice then 3 times before troubling me.....

sorry for the late reply...

1)  I'm not Chinese, but I'm Asian (ie.  Most Chinese think I'm Chinese)
2)  The conversations were always in Putonghua (I'm not fluent, but pretty conversational)

As I've said before, there's definitely no miscommunications or misunderstandings involved in these situations.  These girls knew what they were doing.  Anyway, the amounts were so small I figure I'd just let it go.  But for reasons of principle, I will never repeat with any of those gals.

Headline in the SCMP this weekend: 'powerfully-built' women thieves

We'll now they claim the girls are not even cheating any more. They just mug the guys. Taking a drunk guy's cash has been known to happen but I personally have a hard time believing the mugging part in Wan Chai.

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1458666/rugby-sevens-revellers-warned-powerfully-built-women-who-prey

[ Last edited by  dooper at 29-3-2014 23:48 ]

That article was funny. Powerfully-built women who stand at 1.8 tall...could they be post-op girls?

Punters should stick to 'I won't pick a girl taller than 1.65m to ensure she is truly a female and does not possess the upper body strength to chuck me into the bin'. Stay away from those tall ones.

Besides why would scmp be so cheap to show an old photo of Joe Bananas? I thought Joe-B is gone.

JB is back in business for a week or so only … for the 7s