This is nothing more than a lie being used by the communist party to re-enforce to the local population that China is "different" and not to trust or listen to foreigners.

I've been living in mainland for 5 years and speak fluent putonghua, most HKers don't even realize what lies across the border except for the tier 1 cities like SZ, Shanghai, Beijing etc. Foreigners in China are labeled as untrustworthy, cunningly evil, and in the past the government even taught in schools that "most" foreigners (lao wai, a derogatory term) have AIDS.

The term "no dogs or chinese allowed" NEVER existed in the sense perpetuated by the government and carried on in pop culture. It referred to a SINGLE park in beijing for the expat community, which was a place specifically for expats. There were also plenty of parks, buildings, and places where no foreigners were allowed and this continues to THIS DAY. Most parks also banned dogs, horses, spitting, public affection etc and these things were often listed on the same sign as "no foreigners" and in that specific case "only foreigners allowed", and still today this is used, e.g. "no foreigners, dogs, or other pets", do you here us complaining?? No because we don't have government institutionalized insecurities that say the whole world hates us and we can only trust the government.

People need to do their research and stop listening to "the man". Not only in this case but other blatently obvious cases such as the "white australia" policy. Yes there was a white australia policy, but China has a "Yellow China" policy TODAY - you CANNOT become a chinese citizen, and if anyone here has tried registering any kind of business in China they will know that they have policies and procedures making it extremely difficult for any non-mainland citizens.

So stop complaining about the big bad white people, if it wasn't for us HK would not even exist. Its sad that this same mentality still exists that a lot of HKers had during the cultural revolution when they tried to spread it here, needless to say it would have destroyed the place if us evil white people gave in (you woudn't have the luxury of a free press and open internet, you would be reading government controlled peoples daily and would not be using facebook or twitter for example even today, its us evil white folk that saved every man woman and child in HK from that fate, don't FKNG forget it).  Lets see what happens after the 50 years is up and the "white oppressors and yellow running dogs" have no more influence over HK and you are all beijing's slaves. Bet you will have a completely different view when you start living like a mainlander.

I thank you rushnikus for what you have provided me and my family. Me and all my future generation are in your eternal gratitude. Now fuck off.

Got stopped once in a shady area but all I had to do was tell them my ID was back at the hotel. Maybe I was lucky because they didn't seem to mind after a few phone calls. Conversation was mostly in English because my Cantonese is rubbish.

Are we talking about mainland police (Zhu Hai, Sheng Zhen etc) or Hong Kong/Macau police.  Because there are significant differences of how they approach you and what right they have.  With the mainland police, it's anything goes.  They can question you, retain you, check your ID, jail you at any time, any where, and for any reason.  So, the best thing to do is cooperate with them the best you can.  With HK and Macau police, there's some resemblance of Western due process.  They usually question you or retain you for strong suspicion.  Even then, you are protected by certain rights.  The are obligated to give you a fair and representative trial.  Let's just say it's best not to be stuck in either situations.

Interesting rules ... Mainland police is scary since that have your ass and u have no representative to legal system

and HK/Macau Police at least you have some rights and representative to legal system.

Looks like you are SOL in CHina

Personally my experience with the police is that if look like you are lost or you don't know what you are doing, they'll likely ask you for ID.  Usually when I walk around in a hurry and look confident, they don't bother you.  I wonder though, if they are more likely to target foreigners.  In the early 90s, the police were essentially kissing foreigners' ass.  But nowdays police take care of those with money.

I can't dispute your experience (it is, after all, your own).

But I can point out that in my team in Sydney (I'm in IT), less than half the team is born in Australia, and of the majority overseas-born, most are Indian or Chinese.  Whereas, for my team in China, they are all Chinese.  Similarly, walking around in downtown Sydney, only around half the people seem "anglo".  Walking around a Chinese city, you might see a few foreigners (more so in Shanghai), but away from the tourist areas, I often see no other Western faces.  In my daughter's school, most of her class is Indian - and they all seem to get along just fine.  She doesn't seem to even notice whether her friends happen to be Indian (or Sri Lankan or Bangladeshi) - it just isn't relevant.

Clearly Australia isn't perfect, but it's genuinely multicultural, and, given the sheer number of 1st and 2nd generation migrants compared with "white Australia", remarkably accepting, I think.

it happened to me just yesterday... almost.

The girl in the building was tipped off about the Chhaa Pors coming over to check the entire floor. We were in the midst of our romp but she quickly made a rush to the door and pulled away all the 141 posters + whatever else was there to advertise of her trade.

In few minutes the police came, knocked on the door and she was silent as still. Indicating to me in sign language that she did not have her proper identification and nearly begged me not to make any sound.

We both stayed inside with all lights / phones shut off. They were keeping on knocking for almost 5 minutes and after no sign of life, left.  It was nearly 10 minutes later that this girl got back to her normal self

I asked her what the fuss about was about keeping silent and she told me that she came to HK on tourist visa and if the police found out, not only her but I would be in trouble too.

Fuck.. !!!  But I will monger ! Still..

That kind of reminded of Japanese's opposition to Gaijin in certain settings and facilities.  In the U.S., the media would complain about how in Japan U.S. business people are treated unfairly in Japan.  In Japan, the media would complain about how American business men would unfairly take advantage of Japanese.  It's a finger pointing game they all play.

Holy, that must have been some sort of experience, were you able to remain relatively calm afterwards?

Btw, did you ask for a refund or discount at least? Maybe that should be a new negiotiating tool, I'll pay you 800 but if a cop knocks on the door, you have to pay me 800.

The police usually leave you alone after they check your ID

newbei

want to ask, if the police ask the ID meet on the way back to hotel. i am no hkg People and and forginer
what must i do for this case

TQ friends

I'm wondering... what is the percentage chance  that a police raid will occur at a sauna?
what is the chance you'll get arrested or charged?

seems to me after reading this thread, that it's very low if you're a foreigner with proper ID (but what if i'm Asian and not Caucasian?)

thanks for any info.

great info cheers for the heads up[

How often these checks happens? What is the chance in one woman apartments?

What about HGs? With a HG, there would not be any risk of a police check, would there?

seems to be less likely for risk of police check in HG's because you have the layer of dealing with the hotel which would appear to be more reputable.  it would also bring some bad image to the hotel if they were to get checked.

So, it is less likely that you will be raided in a 3-4 star hotel?

HG bait and switch trade off for police check. I think I can live with the bait and switch.

What about Macau? Does anyone know about the police check frequency in saunas and other such fun establishments in Macau?

3 raid experiences to share.
(1) Once at a Sauna, luckily it was before the fun started.  Police came in, turned on the lights, checked all the employees ID.  never said a word to any of the customers.
(2) went to one of those multi-room joints in Mong Kok.  When I arrived the Boss said "come back in 30 mins", police are coming now.  went elsewhere.
(3) was in (a different) multi-room joint in Mong Kok.  We had finished the business, and were showering. The boss came banging on the door.  the girl ran out (forgot her shoes).  I took my time to get dressed.  As my buddies and I were leaving the police came up the stairs.  it was obvious they had been waiting for us to finish.

Their focus seems to be on finding girls working without the right visa.

has anyone seen the film Beast Stalker?
Early in the film, the lead cop knocks on a 141 girls door (in Yuen Long) and the girl opens up and greets him with the "350".

I think I've been in that building.