I saw some posts about it. So I checked it out and it is US$79.99 per month, $69.95 per month for 3 months, and $59.95 per month for 6 months. Is it really worth the investment? From what other posters saying, it is about $200 to start with and it goes up depending on the area and how popular the girl is. How do the girls on SA compare to the pros on BP, P411, etc?

If you have time to do your research and send messages back and forth, SA is worthwhile.  You will find some real gems.  Most girls are amateurs, so they are not that skilled.  But what you get in return is someone who may be as interested in sex as you are, horny, dripping wet pussy, and some form of connection.  You won't be the 5th or 10th or 15th punter they've fucked that day, LOL.  

Put it this way, before I found SA, I was using p411 regularly.  Now, I hardly ever go back.  My last 10-15 encounters have all been seekingarrangement girls.

Not to say they are the end all be all. One of these days, I may go back to p411 and the pros, or I may mix them into the rotation.

BTW, there are a few pros on both p411 and seekingarrangement, so watch out for those!

I haven't paid for the membership yet. I sent a few messages out and haven't got any replies. I am not sure if I should pay for it... I will end up wasting my money. LOL

I thought the P411 is all pros. I see them on other sites also.

[ Last edited by  escritic at 24-7-2017 13:41 ]

To add to jeffzeke's comments, the girls can tell if you have paid membership so won't generally reply if you are not paying the fees - you could be a 12 yr photo collector adding to your wank bank collection for all they know.....

If you have paid, then it's kinda proof for them that you are an adult with disposable income so that is their 1st check / validation.

I mentioned on an earlier post on this topic that is does cost, needs you to put the effort in to find the gems but IMHO is worth it for more of a GFE without the GFP!

That said, I am happy focusing on 141 for the time being though can see me rotating back to SA at some point!

If you don't have a paid membership when you send a message it doesn't matter what you put in the message, the SA system turns it into a generic message saying something like, " Hello, I'm interested in you and would like to know you better".

The girls know what the generic messages look like.

As far as the value. If you are on the fence about spending the $79.00, SA may not be the right place for you. Where pros all have set pricing, SA is much more of a dance when it comes to the arrangements.

This past weekend I saw 4 different SA girls. Two I had seen before and two that were a first time visit.

#1. 18, black female, about a 7 in looks and 10 in body. 2 hours together for $200.

#2. 22, black female, a solid 8 in looks and a 9 in body. 4 hours for $200.

#3. 19, black female, 7 in looks and a 7 in body. 2 hours for $150.

#4. 18, Black female, 9 in looks and a 10 in body. 4 hours for $200.

I wasn't targeting black females, just happened to work out that way with the schedule. There are many options out there if you do your homework. I'm not down to drop $500 when I can easily find as good if not better quality and performance for half that amount.

[ Last edited by  jake.houston at 24-7-2017 23:48 ]

All prices are in USD.

1 & 2 are the same girl.

Is it really worth it? I mean maybe yeah in USA but in China.. I don't know.. it is not about being cheap, just wondering if it is actually worth it or not.

1 month membership is around 480 RMB a month. I can get a massage for that.

I am already dating a couple of civvies right now, which is why I have not bothered joining yet. I have a couple of massage regular's who I have negotiated a monthly fee..

Saying all of this.. I will probably end up joining hahaha

One other thing stopping me is my friend in HK has not had much luck with it, he says he has messaged a couple of girls and they all want gifts even before meeting.

Shit! Pussy is pussy! It doesn't matter what color their skin is. If you find them attractive and they give you a hard on, FUCK them. I have to say that the girls on SA tend to be more talkative than on other sites like OKC and POF.

This one just proposed for $500 per arrangement, intimate or not.... lol

She is a lot thicker in person. I am not even sure how the third pic is she. Anyway, I ignored her after she said 500. I am sorry. Unless she is going to fuck me for a week, I ain't paying $500 for a pussy. No matter how hot she is. Around midnight, she sent me a message and said $200. Nope. I stood firm with $120. She yielded and I picked her up. Upon arrival, she asked if I wanted to do it at the apt where she was staying at. RED FLAGS:
1) She said that she was staying at a friend's. So...
2) I didn't bring anything except my DL. I told her that I didn't have anything. She said that I only needed one thing. The conversation went on a bit and it smelled like a sting. Because she opened the door and didn't get in. Then she tried to lure me to say the $$$.

Finally, she got in and took her to my place. No BJ... she said that her tongue stud would hurt my cock. Umm... I am not 4. I have had plenty of BJs from girls with tongue studs. Anyway, I wasn't feeling up to argue and let it go. She did have some DD. But her mid body is just about as thick

No kissing... fuck! Oh well... I tied her up and fucked her mish. Afterward, she was ready to go. Oh well...

decided to get a membership. not good with how to start these things. should i just be direct right away after the intro. how do i phrase it?

It is pretty easy. Some of you would initiate contact. Some you will have to do the first step. However, like any other dating sites, you will get much better results when you have a quality profile.

After that, they are pretty straight forward. Some would ask you what kind of arrangement you are looking for or what you are looking for. Some may want to talk to you for a bit before meeting. So it all varies.

i think the problem lies in a "quality profile".  what makes a quality profile if you dont mind me asking?

Quality profile means telling them who you are or what you are about. Instead of filling the blank, put something really personal about you. That makes you stand out.

I think the pro usually ask you what kind of arrangement you are looking for in the first few minutes while the amateur will wait for a while. IMO, this is how you distinguish the pro from the non-pro. Pro doesn't waste time nor do they want to on getting to know each other. They have to hustle. Hope this helps.

And some of them have bad attitudes. When you don't agree to their terms, they block you. It is quite easy to weed out the pros =) They weed out themselves, pretty much LOL

[ Last edited by  escritic at 30-7-2017 05:18 ]

Some random comments...

SA appears to work better in America. This helps the american members here and you can see from their reports that they have the most success in their country. I don't think it's worth the time, effort or money if you're say in hkg or anywhere that's not america. The signal to noise ratio is too low.

There are definitely pros on SA. They always msg you first. They hunt the new signups. $500 usd for an hour starting. Or they have a list of wants/demands -- primarily of the financial and luxury brand goods type. Highly inflated egos. Do you really think that is worth your time, effort and money?

The goal for us guys is to find the casual girls or those who don't know the game. This is where the gfe and deals are. $400-600 usd is great value if you can connect with that good one and end up spending 4-5 hours together.

As with all dating sites, there are two rules:
1. Be attractive.
2. Don't be unattractive.
Everyone has their target market. Girls will first choose the guys they find attractive. Not all of us are as good looking as jeffzeke and jake.houston. It's true.

To add to Freelancer, I have used SA in both Australia and Hong Kong and it has worked well for me in both countries though i think iit also depends on what you are looking for. (I have described by experiences and approach  my experiences on other posts on the subject)

For me, I use it for medium term ongoing agreements with a monthly allowance to have the GFE with intimacy building though you don't have the shit you gt from a regular full time GF lol

I have never used it for a one night stand with a semi-pro so can't comment on how that would work in HK as I know that is more of the approach in the US

Just my tupence worth!

oh and as well as a good profile you have to be polite to find the gems

ok won't be lazy lol found the link for my approach - my reply is somewhere half done although this is another good thread on SA generally

http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... &extra=page%3D2

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1) Price per punt:  I'm not that good of a negotiator and tend towards the generous side (some may label me as a foolish spender / push-over, and that may be true as well).  My preference is to stay in the $300-$500 range per visit.  In other cities, this is a real sweet spot for seekingarrangement, and you can find some quality women for sure

2) Screen name: Good insight rom Jake.  I have to pay more attention to this next time.  There is definitely some cross-over between escorts and seekingarrangement.

3) BYOC - need to bring your own condom.  I suspect some bareback is going on, since some of these semi-pros don't know the business that well, and are a bit naive.  But I always insist on a cover.

4) There's quite a bit more pre-meeting work when punting on seekingarrangement.  Emails back and forth, sending pics of yourself, getting some rejections.  Some girls take a few days to even respond, and some won't respond at all.  I've gotten some who will ask for a picture, and then go silent...   I'm OK with that, no biggie.  

5) The few girls I talk to all say that seekingarrangement is HUGE in the college campuses.  LOTS of girls know about it, and they love meeting up with rich old guys, LOL.  The sugar-baby scene is apparently quite popular, and they will introduce it to each other.

6) There are apparently some sugardaddies out there that are looking just for friendship, companionship (non-sexual), someone young and pretty to dine with, strictly platonic set-ups.  This surprises me, but apparently it's out there.  

7) I've done too much punting throughout these past few years, and I've become desensitized to the pros who see multiple clients a day, who are mechanical, and go through the same routine with every punter they see.  In my early years, this was OK and I could still have an enjoyable time.  But these days, the thought of being in line with 10-15 other punters seeing the same girl... kinda grosses me out.  That's why the seekingarrangement peaks my interest.  So far so good, almost all of these ladies have been super-horny!  One way to tell, they get extremely wet down there upon some nominal stimulation, DATY, FIV, etc.  NO LUBE NEEDED!   
8) With pros, they have a "business" so they have incentive to be on time, show up when they say they will, and generally try to give good service.  Otherwise, they might suffer from negative reviews, which will in turn hurt their business.  With semi-pros/seekingarrangement ladies, there's no such mechanism for checks and balance.  So if they flake out and don't show up, there's not much recourse for the punter.  

9) I have better success with those who are interested in communication outside of SA, be it texting, email, WhatsApp, LINE, Wechat.  That's a sign that they are more interested in you.

10)  I always try to share as much about myself as I can in terms of describing physical traits. I give my age, height weight, etc.  Also mention right away that I am Asian-American, so there are no surprises, LOL!     Most will insist on a picture, so I send them via text or email, or direct them to a link.  For discretion, I keep my profile pics private and blurred.

11)  I look for favorable key words like:  open-minded, looking to have "fun", NSA (no strings attached), discretion, love to have a good time, first time on SA , college educated or higher education/graduate degree, seeking help with tuition, rent, books, etc.  I prefer those who are smarter and not just bimbos.  The reason is because there is a greater level of "openness" and you don't want to have crazy drama in your life.   Also "drama-free", FWB (friends with benefit).

12) I avoid those who only talk about themselves, how much they want YOU to "SPOIL" them, how they are looking to get "pampered", showered with gifts, etc.  I almost start avoid any profiles with a "Wish List", where you can buy things for them prior to even meeting up!?

Below is a link to an earlier thread which has good information on seekingarrangement dates/punts.


http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... &extra=page%3D2

This was previously posted by jake.houston, I hope he will not mind me reposting, but this template is excellent and I have used it with great success:  Below is what jake.houston wrote:



Here is my exact opening message. It works very well for me on almost all girls on the site. I don't send it if they say they want something online, I don't send it if they say that aren't looking for something physical. Other than that, it works.


Hello, I'm (your name here). It is nice to meet you. I was attracted to your photo and I liked what I have read in your profile as well.

I try to be up front and direct to avoid wasting your time. You seem like a woman that will appreciate direct communication.

I'm seeking three things. Discretion, what we do is our business and not something public or shared with others. Intimacy, I want to spend time with someone that is mature enough to know this is a key part of what this site allows us to find in one another. Mutual benefits, if we are not both happy with the arrangement, then there is really not much point.

If this interests you at all, I'd love to hear from you and see where we can connect.

Hope your day is a great one.

Insert your name here, again.


That's it. Feel free to adjust it as you see fit or use it as is for that matter. Happy hunting.