I'm a latebloomer and still pretty new at various techniques. I've developed pretty good confidence at fingering them 'til they cum even with girls who were initially saying no to FOV and FIV and so far only  have a sample size of 1 for DATY success. The same girl I gave DATY to was very eager to hop on for 69 when I asked but I realized I couldn't figure out the logistics nor what I'm looking for so it ended up being very clumsy slopppy suckage and she climbed off after like a minute. She didn't say anything but I'm sure she got off because she was disappointed with how bad it was.

Any tips how do I perform 69 better?

While our esteemed colleagues may have a different approach, I prefer the following:

1. Lay on your back.
2. Have her straddle your chest on all four with her ass pointing towards your face (her head should be at your crotch). If her butt is out of reach, just pull it closer to you with your hand and/or arm, or tell her to lower her butt onto your face.
3. She can provide an bj and you can daty/fiv all day long in this position since nobody is really straining themselves.

Enjoy the feast!

I have been trying a new way of starting daty from a side angle, which most of the time leads into a bj both laying sideways into 69.  It seems to be more comfortable than the traditional top-and-bottom routine.  I find it easier for her to take in more and get the juices flowing for the buffet or main course.

I went through a stage last year when 69 was my kink.

I was less concerned about the girls enjoyment but more about enjoying the time I'd paid for. It is worth noting I never do anything to hurt the girl intentionally and if i do by accident I stop straight away and apologise. Also I don't perform oral on working girls for health reasons (I think it's too risky for me) but this is a good position for that.

But generally i really liked that while the girl was on top doing her bj her ass and pussy was there in my face to play around with. I enjoy watching a finger slide in and out up close or opening it up yo see where my dick was about to go. You can tease the clit and watch her reaction or use a hand to support her head and help her do the rythem that you enjoy.

Something else worth noting when fingering girls is a lot aren't keen because guys can have sharp nails. If your nails are filed with no sharp edges their attitude to being fingered changes and I've never had them say no. I had a girl last year I'd visited a few times that pulled out a nail file and filed my nails before telling me now I can go crazy. I did to and got the pussy wider than I'd ever seen before and she loved it.

Something I enjoyed in this position was to while getting a bbbj to see how much the girl could gape. You start with 1 or 2 fingers on 1 hand then work a few fingers from the other hand in and when you have it up to 4-8 fingers open the pussy up wide. You can also do similiar with the ass or work the ass and pussy at the same time and the girl will give you feed back but make sure she doesn't forget about the dick in her face.

A slight word of caution that's probably not necessary but if you end up with a lot of girl juice on your fingers don't go touching your eyes. I ended up with an eye STD once but it was easily cleared up.

A follow up to your comment:

If history has taught us anything, it’s that every woman is different in terms of what she likes (pace, area of focus, number of digits inserted, focus on clit versus not on clit, etc). Further, while anatomically a clit is located in the same spot, they are all different in terms of size and sensitivity. In general, start slow focusing on the outer lips. Let her guide you. What are her hips, breath, and words telling you? Try not be all over the place. Focus on one area and one motion, see how she responds, then continue or move on eventually.

As a best practice - communicate, communicate, communicate. Asking a woman what she enjoys and then reciprocating with doing that actual thing can go a long way and bring you bonus points.

I gave up with 69 for the same reasons that you mentioned. Booby_lover makes a good point that its appeal has more to do with the visuals. I find it hard to work my mouth and fingers effectively and even find the bj to be lackluster but both of these may be due to lack of proper experience

If you're looking to up your DATY and fingering game, especially if you're inexperienced, may I suggest seeing nicolemarlee? She's an independent that has a bad attitude, beefs with other girls, and is pricey, even for PD but she's a consummate professional and has minimal screening. Her sex lessons are eye-opening. She teaches you how to get off basically any woman. Patronizing someone like her seems to be against your principles though

One last remark. Alternating between DATY and PIV is either under-discussed or underused but girls seem to dig it. Might be something worth adding to the toolbox

[ Last edited by  quemseja at 11-4-2023 14:22 ]

DATY typically strains my neck too much. I often have the girl lie with her pussy at the edge of the bed, and I stand on my knees next to the bed, which enables convenient access without the neck strain.

Another favorite, is to have her sit on my face: I lie on my back and she is facing the bed headboard or the wall behind me with her knees on both sides of my head. I prop my head with a pillow which gives easy strain free access.

In any case, to get her off, in most cases I would use lick/suck her clit, while at the same time using one or two fingers in vagina, massaging her G-spot. In this position they typically climax rather fast, but of course this varies depending on the girl.

"Another favorite, is to have her sit on my face: I lie on my back and she is facing the bed headboard or the wall behind me
with her knees on both sides of my head. I prop my head with a pillow which gives easy strain free access."

Is there a copyright somewhere? That is exactly what I do, extra pillow included (the girls know!).

I even tried to record a video of that but I was... chewing too much. Too ambitious => fail.
Seeing their faces (especially BYD   or Coco ; some less or not at all...No tongue in chick!) being tortured like that is enjoyable
...and warm them nicely for the rest.
Then she turns 180 degrees and we are getting closer to 69.

That works very well with a PAIR (how to get everybody busy!),
one @SitOnMyFace69 (sorry Bro) and
one playing Gliding LS (hands are here to keep the motion).
Need to find a third one day to record an AV.


Some are going so BALLISTIC that they just ignore the rest of the world. (some are likely bored to death )
2021: A Wanchai Thai (A) was no-no about ...backdoor (never tried) but one day, I was with her and an Indonesian (N)  (used to be drilled).
So A sat on my face being eaten alive while N was playing cow girl.
I indicated softly with my hand to N to move back for LB to go through the backdoor. Very softly she did.
Then I told a sweating A to turn 180 degrees, watch N and play with her boobs.
And
N had to SHOW to A the condom to prove where I was!
She could not believe it, but she agreed that N never showed ANY sign of pain, as I indicated before.
Few weeks later, A came with some KY to try by curiosity. Flawless.
Sorry for the side story.