Hi community,

I just realized these few days that WGs are looking for some money.

I guess the current situation (covid + no travel) is forcing them to stay around and try to survive.

Hence, I got few who even contacted me to see whether I could come and some openly said that they need to work...

So I guess (and sorry for them) that it's a good time to review and negotiate price.

I still don't understand some on TG asking for 6 to 10k... and hope they will come back to a certain reality but it seems we could easily ask for a 25-30% mark down.

Please let me (us) know if you faced the same.

Cheer

I don't think there is anything wrong with negotiating the price with a WG.. I believe in a libertarian free-market so if you offer a WG a lower price than her usual fee, her answer will either be yes or no. I don't believe it's taking advantage of anyone. I don't think we should act like some 'white-knights' as if we are saving these women (because we're not).

On the other side of the spectrum; Some girls have dramatically raised their price over the years (i.e. CC Veronica) and they are able to because the market demand is still there at that price point. Supply & demand is everything regarding the price..

I think this topic can get quite alot of different opinions but hopefully it stays respectful and civil.

Although I agree that punters now have more bargaining powers, it still isn't that easy to get a good deal based on my experience.

I'm from the Philippines. I've realized that many of these working girls, whether they are freelance or massage attendants, are now opting the services of pimps. They need pimps to help them look for legit clients fast, and sometimes to provide them with transportation since Grab and taxis are not available. So women who used to work at spas and massage venues used to charge PHP 1500, but are now charging PHP 3500. They charge more because they need to pay their pimps too.

But there are also high-end women who used to charge PHP 50,000 that are now charging only PHP 20,000. Or women who used to charge 25k but are now charging 15k only.

So it is the law of supply and demand that determines the price. I've realized that there is now more demand for working girls who were in the lower tiers than high-end women. Because their services are cheaper and exceptionally good. Since lower tier women are now in demand, they can charge a little bit higher. But as for high-end women, they are forced to lower their price since there is very little demand for them. Punters have realized that paying for 10's of thousands of money for s*x is overrated

Pimps have become essential to this trade now. Here are some pro's and con's of having a pimp involved in your punting based on my experience:

PRO's:
1.) You've got plenty of options. Pimps usually have a list of girls with ranging prices. So pimps can help you find the best girl for your budget.
2.) You can ask for pictures and you can be assured that you will get what you've ordered.
3.) You don't have to worry about the girl's transportation, pimps usually drop these girls off at your desired place and come back later when you're done.
4.) Sometimes they do the bargaining for you, especially if you're a good client. If you're interested at a girl priced at 8k but do not want to pay that much, my pimp does the bargaining for me. I offer 6k, and the pimp helps me close the deal.  

CON's:
1.) Dealing with a pimp is strictly business. So if the agreed time is only for one hour, then you should be done after one hour. Being strictly timed during punting sucks.
2.) You wan't more time with the girl or more rounds, you need to pay more. Filipino working girls are usually generous with time and your requests, but they become business minded and mechanical if they have pimps. Probably because the girls are also pressured by the time limit, so the deed becomes more of like a "quickie" than a magical experience.
3.) Pimps will bother you. Very often, I will get a message from my pimp saying that he has someone new in his list and he's sure that I will like her. He will then send me a picture of the girl to try to bait me. This often happens at the wrong time of the day. It's a good thing that I'm not married, otherwise my wife would have a;ready caught me.   
4.) You need to tip the pimp too. Tipping is optional, but if you want to be his preferred client or if you want to be prioritized, you need to be generous to your pimp too. So I always tip my pimp 1k. This tip becomes an additional expense that makes the whole deal more expensive than pre pandemic days. Oh how I miss the days of punting without a pimp.

I still book freelance working girls who do not have pimps. Their prices are cheaper but I find it difficult to close a deal with them. They charge less for their service but they add an additional charge if your desired location is far from them. They prefer near locations since they don't want to worry about transportation and curfews. Some would even require you to pay a portion of their fee first (electronically send money) before they finalize a schedule with you. Which is risky since there are also a lot of scammers. Some freelancers would even force you to buy first their nude videos or pictures before meeting with you. Which for me is corny and unnecessary. And some of these freelancers bail out at the last minute for whatever pandemic-related reason, ending your day with a frustrating cancelled booking or rescheduling.

Why was zebras post (#2) entirely removed ?

Twice and Momozzz, very sorry that I confused everyone. I removed my post yesterday because, after rereading it, I found it quite patronising. I removed it before it was too late to do so, with the intention of writing a more polite version immediately afterwards. But I was distracted and didn't get a chance to sit down and rewrite until now...
What I wanted to say was: WG are very vulnerable and marginalised, especially in countries where prostitution is illegal. COVID19 hit everyone by surprise, and it seems to be stretching on and on. I know about the free market etc but I also treasure friendships and connections. So I guess there is no point debating here; everyone just should do what he thinks is right.
A bit of where I am coming from. Unlike most bros here, I do not punt very much due to my age and health conditions. And I tend to revisit the same premise or WG again and again, sometimes for years. As a result, some of these visits are becoming less of business transactions (although they are) and more of friendly reunions. Maybe it's my fault to put myself into this position.
I am not pretending to be the white knight here. It is reasonable to bargain. But because I do not have the urge to get more punts from a fixed budget, I'd rather pay the usual fee, even tipping a bit more, in this desperate time. Life is short. Once again, this is just a sharing of my personal choice. No intention to offend anyone.

it seem 141 adv girls price increasing. HG increase? WG decreasing?

I want to add my 2 cents here, because this topic is something that I have thought about, a few times, in the last couple of months. I most recently (before seeing this post) revisited the topic over the weekend when I read a reader submission on the Stickman BKK blog (I highly recommend reading it, will certainly give you some food for thought - https://www.stickmanbangkok.com/ ... covid-impact-story/).

The situation in the real economy is quite bad. I know we don't see it (probably since we're at home a lot) and HK has always been good at hiding this sort of thing but for low skilled workers (which would be the vast majority of WGs), there are not many alternative options to make a living. While I also believe in free market capitalism, we simply don't live in that world. HK is giving 10K to PRs, the US has given cash handouts, even the Thai Govt. has helped people out of a job (except the WGs...). While the govt. who taxes us should be responsible for helping out those in need, I think we can try to be more compassionate in these tough times (for those of us with a decent and stable income and/or significant wealth). My guess is that once we can resume human contact and so resume our debauchery, help will come but in the near future, most people prefer the comfort and safety of their homes.

I will echo what bro zebra wrote; this is the time to be generous, if you can. I understand that some bros might also be feeling the pinch (financially) due to covid or have a tight budget for punting. There is indeed nothing wrong with bargaining or agreeing on a price but I urge you to not take advantage of a WG's desperation.

I will end by mentioning that I do, on occasion, negotiate price and I don't like the feeling of having overpaid for the service or paid much more than others, but I have decided to be more generous, within my means, recently.

[ Last edited by  OscarPistorius at 18-8-2020 19:02 ]

While I agree that COVID can be an advantage to punters, it's only to a point depending on the circumstances. I'm in China right now, where the girls aren't as desperate for cash as you'd think. In fact, most girls out here will outright reject foreigners off the bat. Even those who do accept foreigners, they will want a COVID test or charge you more if they can get away with it.

This seems to be something Beijing specific, as you also described it in your report. Since the epidemic started I've visited dozens of WGs throughout Guangdong and none of them ever asked for a COVID test. But then again that would mean direct ending of the session for me without paying as per my principle. When punting the last thing I want to do is argue or be reminded about a virus which is used by governments as an excuse to destroy the economy and take away people's freedom. After all, there are still many men in China who would not hesitate to punt without a condom yet think a silly mask will protect them against a virus which is far less worse than HIV/AIDS.

Not acting like a clueless foreigner and saying you're a Chinese ethnic minority (Uighur/Russian/etc.) if a comment is made helps me getting around the no-foreigner sentiment 90% of the time. Knowing the prices on forehand prevents getting overcharged. Many establishments (not just punting related) have increased their prices because of the stupid virus. LE has already started fighting against prostitution in China again so demand exceeds supply once again. There was a big crackdown in Jiangmen recently, and villages in Shenzhen are empty again.

Why are you unnecessarily injecting political issues
into your comments ?

There are many politically-laden comments and topics on the forum here supporting ridiculous restrictions imposed by governments in the name of the stupid virus. I'd rather see this forum free of politics, but unfortunately in its current state I've no choice but to voice out to prevent supporters getting the complete overhand.

[ Last edited by  Vivante at 19-8-2020 16:41 ]

please link us to where you think members are supporting what you are insulating

hmm... really? I feel that with supply so limited, the better quality girls can actually ask for higher prices. There are always those who can afford it and pay the premium, while there are those suffering and will need to lower their prices just to get customers and make ends meet... Back to the usual wealth gap and the rich getting richer and poor getting poorer imho..

I think it completely depends on the area that you are in. In the US right now, there is a large amount of the population that is not taking any precautions with COVID at all. Therefore it is business as usual for them. Therefore some of the girls are even busier because of the number of people working from home. Now they have more time on their hands. The prices here have actually been creeping upward since COVID started.

Surely it's true

The supply of mainland girls has been suspended
But the demand remains unchanged
The price will definitely goes up

It is a super sad fact for us

I would say in HK the balance of power has shifted towards WGs rather than the other way around. As liubis1101 has mentioned, it's a matter of supply and demand - less supply now so prices are bound to increase.