Feel sorry for this guy
He got mixed up in the raid on Monday
http://m.scmp.com/news/hong-kong ... g-gets-caught-major

Apparently the cameras went dead
Lots of shouting
And the doors got knocked down with sledge hammers

At least they didn't post of pic of him in the article and it looks like the police let him off. Not a pleasant experience, but at least it seems like he didn't get into trouble.

I assumed (and read) HKG “141” is legal as long as it 1 man 1 pussy.  Don’t see how this American Punter can get into trouble.   Definitely not the best experience to have for sure.

Seven Thai transgender WG!      I doubt they advertised as ladyboys, LOL!

lol so would they have cocks or pussy but just sound like a guy?

Probably post op. Haven't visited KH in almost a year.

daaaamn now i’m conflicted.  when i went to King Hing in December 2017, i saw this mint Thai thing. Perfect round tits, skinny legs, perfect body, nice face. I didn’t hear it talk though..  when i went back 10 min later, was busy with a customer.. so might not be post op? or was it a really good op??

Interesting read - particularly the rule set posted at the end. Gives an insight into how it all works in the walkups.

How often do the police carry out raids like this? I'm visiting in March and intend trying my hand in a couple of walk ups.

Do you all carry a passport when you're out mongering? I'm not a fan of that - I generally carry a photocopy only- any advice here from the community?

omg. this is the first time i’ve searched post op... https://www.xvideos.com/video28056075/post-op_ladyboy_soda_bareback_fucked

[ Last edited by  derivative at 31-1-2018 18:12 ]

Once the policeman has the passport no. which doesn't seem to be the case here, that passport number can always be send to the U S authorities together with CCTV image as evidence. If you are a national of country A and visit country B, the laws of country A still apply. Many young Korean men went to jail for visiting Tobita Shinchi and FKK based on this law theory. As for the passport thing, a foreign national is required to always carry the passport rather than the copy. If a policeman orders to show you your passport but you don't have one, it will result in detention at a police station cell. The passport has to be signed and in many countries accompanied by a travel insurance.

[ Last edited by  raradidi at 1-2-2018 00:29 ]

Sorry, this is simply incorrect.

Laws of country A only apply to nationals of country A overseas if they are expressly stated in that law to have extra territorial effect.

The reason Korean tourists get arrested for sex tourism overseas is because South Korea has expressly enacted a law criminalising overseas sex tourism.  This is not a "legal theory" as you mention but rather a specific law they have enacted.

No such law exists for the US.  They do criminalise overseas sex with underage prostitutes (as indeed do a number of countries including the UK), but sex with above 18 prostitutes is perfectly legal provided it's done outside of the US.

KH may have a plethora of choices, but the high profile location and sheer quantity of WG begs the attention of HK gov agencies. Makes you wonder how many 141's are really independent.

Then why were Korean pimps handed out jail sentences(up to 15 years by law) and Korean WGs fined and their passports taken away for a max.of 3 years for things they did in HK? Answer: extraterritorial prosecution and intelligence service activities. http://news.chosun.com/site/data ... html?rsMobile=false . "국가정보원과 공조한 경찰이 해외원정 성매매를 단속해 관련사범 25명을 적발했다.

서울지방경찰청 국제범죄수사대는 한국 여성들의 프로필 사진을 해외 성매매사이트에 올린 뒤 현지 호텔 등에서 성매매를 알선한 혐의(성매매알선등행위의처벌에관한법률위반 등)로 성매매업주 정모씨(34·여), 홍모씨(25·여) 등 2명을 구속했다고 7일 밝혔다.

또 20~30대 성매매 여성 23명을 같은 혐의로 불구속 입건하고 소환 통보에 응하지 않고 있는 미국 뉴욕의 성매매업주인 정모씨(27·여) 등 2명을 검거하기 위해 국제공조 수사를 요청했다.


Source : http://news.chosun.com/site/data ... /2013040801248.html "

These cases have NOTHING to do with underage involvement,drug use or slavery prostitution.
The word 국가정보원 means national intelligence agency and the case above occurred in Hong Kong where it would be just illegal working case,
In this case, the prosecution spanned over multiple jurisdictions not justHK, but also involved US and international law enforcement.
National intelligence agency's position(2006): http://www.chogabje.com/board/vi ... X=12442&C_CC=AZ
In another case, a former Korean woman who holds citizenship of a Nordic law country got a gulity verdict for having done "it" in a US hotel for money with a Korean man.
Although in this case    neither the personal principle nor the territorial principle of law applied, the prosecution was done. Theoretically, the US court of the location where
the act took place has the territorial jurisdiction while the woman's country of nationality won't put any charges as it is a Nordic law country now. (was legal there until
a few years ago)
Some guys were caught for doing this in Germany etc. as well despite it being legal there.

As for US miltary code. there is max. 1 year in brig and DD if caught doing it ,for example,. in Germany. This is since the Bush administration.Paying the bar fine is
sufficient for guilty verdict and this is posted on related bars near US bases.

Some guys say that a law only applies on the place where an act takes place. This is incorrect according to law theory.Application of law and related prosecution is based
on both nationality(personal principle) AND location(territorial principle).

1)https://namu.wiki/w/%EC%86%8D%EC%9D%B8%EC%A3%BC%EC%9D%98  Application of laws/prosecution based on nationality when an act happened.
2)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUe8vJg8YOg   : Application of law by nationality vs. place, the example of gambling and weed smoking in Netherlands are cited. Prosecution is based on BOTH principles, not just one.

3)https://www.clien.net/service/board/kin/9289245 Example of weed smoking: Application of laws.
Another example to be careful of: A citizen from a no-gun country getting a firearm license based on a permanent residence gotten in another country where PR is sufficient to apply for a hunting rifle license. Then the
guy can go to jail for 10~30 years after returning to his country of nationality for having unlawfully possessed a single shot hunting rifle. Such things are known to have happened.There are 1-2 countries where even
personal possession of .177 airguns is not possible.

There is no explicit mentioning of extraterritorial prosecution in the laws related to the above examples. It is in the way that the scope of application of the entire law system (not just WG, gun,gambling or pot) .
Other well-known cases are export control violations,espionage,and intellectual property related violations. There is no explicit mentioning of extraterritorial prosecution on the related law clauses but it
has been carried out for decades.

[ Last edited by  raradidi at 1-2-2018 10:33 ]

Dude please stop spreading this false information.  

The reason that Koreans keep getting charged with overseas crimes is because Korea has specifically enacted laws which specify they apply overseas.

There is no such thing as "law theory" - only "law" and unless a law states within the text of the statute that it applies to overseas then it does not.

Speaking of the US (military code is different from general law btw) - The US even has a legal doctrine against extraterritoriality of its laws (recently upheld in the Supreme Court):

why raid King Hing and not Fuji and James Lee Mansion....?

fuck, what am i gonna do during evenings now?  i'm King Hing's #1 Russian fan.  I want to see KH rise back up stronger.

[ Last edited by  derivative at 1-2-2018 15:18 ]

are you American ?                                .

Law theories exist and this is why jura and law school courses as well as middle school civil classes do exist. I have posted another US example elsewhere. Besides, I have researched this issue for some time.

It is not required in specific law clauses to specify the applicability of extratrerritorial prosecution, t applies on theft,espionage,murder, sexual offences(including prostitution),and in authoritarian countries,
even political things. In many recently democratized countries, dissidents and democracy activists were forcibly moved to their countries for criticizing the regime, based on "national security laws" and tortured there
when military dictatorship was still in place.
Similar things still happen in China,Russia and Belarus.
Video about related law theory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUe8vJg8YOg
This is not specifically applying to ONE single country, ONE specific offence, ONE specific law system(civil,common,Sharia,Soviet, hybrid,etc) but refers to common concepts.
Cases happen when an offender gets jail sentences twice as both concepts apply on all laws. However, the court of the national's country can reduce the sentence based on
the time already served in the country where the offence took place(let's take organized burglary or possession of drugs as an example)
Another case when international prosecution can happen:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narco-submarine  
Extraterritorial jurisdiction over international waters.
"Some alleged narco-submarine smugglers are now facing criminal charges in the US for operating an unflagged semi-submersible"
Assume a hobbyist builds a U-boat and moves it outside  his country's 12 miles of territorial waters. He can be prosecuted by US laws if his
vehicle is not on surface with showing its flag. Other examples would be export control laws related to dual-use strategic  items, copyright violation
(for example a foreigner torrenting a US made soap opera or movie), etc.etc..
Not directly related but the recent move to Nordic laws is based on the concept of "man buying prostitution is committing violence against women" and "voluntary prostitution
does not exist but is slavery" and some internationally active entities are trying "auf allen Vieren" to enforce such especially on geopolitically vulnerable countries.
As 141 is not a place for discussing geopolitically volatile and sensitive issues, I won't mention related situations and cases any further. Do research on your own. I know much more
but anyone should do one's own research. I learned many things such as programming etc. the hard way, having nobody to teach me at all.

[ Last edited by  raradidi at 1-2-2018 18:33 ]

Bro, it is clear I am not going to be able to convince you here, so I'm going to address a few points and then let this one slide.


This is where you are making your mistake - there are no common concepts regarding laws.  Each system is different and within each system each country is different and within each country each specific law is different.

Each example you have given has a specific section of the relevant law specifying extraterritorial effect.  See below.


This is correct but because the US criminal code specifies it applies to US registered and originating ships no matter where they are.  If it did not say this then the outcome is different.

Examples of Korea and the Netherlands are entirely irrelevant - we're talking about the US - and as you can see from my quote above, the US Supreme Court has specifically held that unless a US law purports to have extraterritorial effect there is a presumption that it does not.

There is no law in the US criminalising a US private (non military) citizen from visiting a legal age prostitute outside of the US.

If you disagree with me please provide me with a reference to a specific US law which suggests this.

i am getting anoyed with your persistent theories and taking quotes out of context … please stop and I'm serious when I say this

I'm closing this thread due to two things.

1. No one should ever come here for any type of legal advice. I have zero doubt that we have legal minds on here as members, however, I think free advice is worth exactly what you pay for it even if it comes from a "professional".

2. Arguing on the internet is a waste of time at best, and at worst some poor member may actually believe and act on the advice given here.

Next topic please.

Jake