Trust me, I have been reading through posts like a nut case but I still just don't get some things, can someone please help out a bro??

If it says "Hotel Reservation" does that mean my hotel room or that one will be arranged?

What is door knocking.  I mean I can gather what that means but I can't imagine that these girls just wait in apartment rooms for someone to come knocking, do they?


If I make an appointment and turns to to be a photoshop or SAB, and the above question is true, can I just say no and start knocking on other doors, with "Welcome" signs that is?

141 sign, they actually will hae 141 signs on the door?

Do they usually let you shower after or before?

I would really appreciate answers on these, please.  

[ Last edited by  8isenough at 27-7-2008 00:25 ]

Hi bro,

Normally, you visit the girls at their hotel, but you can also arrange for them to come to your hotel.

Yes, 141 walk-up gals really do just wait in their rooms waiting for some guy to knock.

Yes, you can just walk away. But appointment girls and walk-up girls [where you knock] are usually in different buildings.

There'll be a sign on the door - might say 141 but probably not.

You'll shower before and after,

HOTEL BOOKING:

Some will only have you come to their hotel and this will be the advertised price for one shot, whether you take 5 or 30 minutes. I transit HK on business so have my own hotel room and prefer the girls to come to me. I only speak English so usually get several rejections but persistance works. If they have an English speaking guy available and you get a hold of them they are good source to multiple girls. They are on commission so will be accommodating ... get their phone number. Once you fucked one girl they will know you are genuine and not a cop or time waster and will give you reasonable service.

Maybe I'm getting ripped off (comment from Bros appreciated), but girls to your hotel room cost twice the advertised rate plus exhorbitant taxi fare, like HK$100 to $200. However, this is for one full hour in your room and I usually get double shot (plus BBBJ not uncommon and GFE with a little encouragement). If it's late at night you will most likely need to go down to foyer to escort WG up to your room so ensure you have cell phone contact. If you only speak English it's a good idea to get the front desk to write down your room number in Cantonese so you can avoid confusion. Also, they will have problems with pronouncing an English name so the minder may have hard time getting through to your room via hotel switch, another reason to have your own cell phone.

It's good to get a girl or two earlier in the afternoon so if you like her you can book her back later in the evening. Circa 11:00pm+ the minder will usually offer you an overnight for circa HK$1,600 which is great if you want a guaranteed fuck in the morning when all the other WGs are out of action to midday (great option if you are flying out that day).

DOOR KNOCKING:

This is 141 walkups and a lot is already posted on this so do search. Yes the WGs wait in apartments and it can be good exercise, some Bros call it the "stairmaster". These places can be quite seedy and you can be rushed, hence my preference for my hotel room. NOTE: these are no comparison to young and fresh "hotel" girls.

All photos are "Glamour", make up, professional shoots (take 30 odd digital shots and pick the most flattering). Beware of photoshop, and the 141 walkups are renownd for using photos which may be several year's old. If WG is not what is advertised, and substitute is not up to par then please do walk, you will do everyone a favour if you help discourage this. Payment is normally after service, but you can always put cash on table if needed to be picked up by WG afterwards. DON'T tip unless service is good.

Yes you can walk around and knock on as many doors as you wish if they have the obvious WG signage, but there are a lot of "Aunties" out there, feel free to politely decline and move on.

Showers before and after are the norm. If the WG washes you and is very thorough  take it as a good sign of potential service to come.

BTW, I can't tell if you are English speaking only? If so, don't worry, all street signs and numbers are in English. However some of the buildings are like mazes with different (wierd) room numbering set ups, just be patient and you will find what you want. The WGs will have door signs which are pretty clear as to whether she is available or not. Make sure you take a reasonable shortlist of targets with you ... some girls you target will be busy, or not there, etc. so you need options/ backups.

Cheers,
Froddo

Thank you for takin the time to put the details for bros....

However....$1,600 for hotel gal overnite? That;s kinda cheap......??? Thought at least 3 times 1 session price?.

Thanks for your detailed post.  You actually cleared up some grey areas for me.  Cheers Bro.

Sorry if this wasn't clear in my notes but the "circa $1,600" is $1,600+. I'm glad you mentioned this as it does need expanding. Price varies related to time the clock starts and cost of WG (some hotel WGs can be as low as only $600). If WG arrives in your room after 11:00pm (as per my example) for a one hour session, then she probably won't be back at HQ until after 12:30am. If it's not Friday/Saturday, it's unlikely she will have any more work that night unless it's already booked, so the incentive is to squeeze out any extra cash they can get, and I encourage negotiation. $1,600 is the minmum I've paid for around an 11:30pm start of clock ... maximum $2,500.

A couple of things I should also mention; this isn't a license to fuck her all night, she will probably want to be asleep by 2:00am, they need to work next day. It's not uncommon for a little inducement to be required in the morning if this was not negotiated prior, like maybe an extra $500 (I would treat this like a tip), it depends on how well you get along. The latest I've had one stay over is until 11:00am next morning.

Guys, FYI, I've copied my above postings into the "Newcomers guide to HK' thread along with some extra info. I should probably have just posted it there in the first place and let 8isenough know where to find it.

8isenough - I would recommend u read that thread, it already contained some of the answers to your questions.  Also, check the "Macau/Zhuhai" thread ..... it may encourage u to make a small diversion.

You talk about getting WG's to your hotel room during the day.  Do I understand you correctly that they charge about double rate plus taxi [for during the day] and then you get them back at night for an overnighter?

Sorry Bros,

I some how am not getting notice when there are replies to my threads so I did not know anyone had replied at all.  Thanks so much for the information.
I am English speaking but can understand a bit of Cantonese and Mandarin as I have been living in Shenzhen and Hong Kong for a few years now, along with having been traveling here for over 16 years.  I should know more then I do but I am such a lazy ass bastard, what can I say.
When I look at the maps of where the Chicken flats are, I know them all too well.  I have always known those places but just have never used those services.  I would always do in Hotel call because originally I was always in hotels when in Hong Kong but that has all changed now, I will be here for at least 7 years and no way I can bring anyone home. (W&C).
When in China I have been to a few massage places, nothing that anyone here has every mentioned as I was up in the Bao An downtown area.  I always had friends and work mates bring me and everything was arranged.  Good and bad, mixed bag like anywhere else.
For a few years I have been hearing all these rave reviews about places in Shenzhen, just over the boarder in both Lohu and Wanggang but have just never had the chance to do it.  And now with the heavy visa restrictions I don't know when I am going to be able to go back to China.  All I can get now is a 1 time entry for 30 days at $150 USD.  That would make a trip there rather expensive for just a little chicken.  
So, here I am, in Hong Kong, tired of the same old places that I have worn to death (Noble Sauna - completely useless - I don't think they have anyone under 37 years old any more and that don't have teeth falling out) (Rainbow Sauna - stopped going there about 1.5 years ago and vowed never to go back when in final desperation they literally brought in every girl they had on the floor to my room and they were all 3 baggers, left without service and still got charged $300) (Yuppie Sauna - has a mixed bag, I got a little bit too close to one of the girls, she actually started to call me Loagong and seasons we more cuddling then bangin **** I still want to go back there because I keep seeing this one red head, tall, slim but well figured girl that I can't ever seem to get info on) (and Temple Street that I just started to visit recently, 2 experiences, first was great and hope to see her again this afternoon, second was OK, great massage but second set was "owe, stop, your too big" kind of crap.
So, I have been thinkin about checking out some of the ones from this site but I do, of course, have serious concerns about what your gonna get.  I don't want to spend a couple of hours chasing down a 1 hour bang, you know what I mean?  And I am pretty damn picky, I can admit that completely.  Hell my wife is freakin model material so if the gal aint up to snuff there just isn't going to be much happenin.
I tried the Macau run to D1 and that was pretty good, just didn't like the bloody count down clock and even though I did find a knock out, model type at normal price, the pickin's were pretty slim.
What about RIO?  I keep hearing about that but I don't have a clue where it is?  Selection is supposed to be good but service is fast.  That is OK because in that case it is all about what you work out with her, you know!!!
I am willing to give Kobe a shot, 5 minutes away, but $1800 and everyone is saying that they are mostly Photoshop'd???  Now I am afraid to even try.
So, basically, as you can tell, I have been around the block but not around town.  I really do appreciate the extra info, it does help, and I will continue to post on the things I find as I continue to explore.
I would be will to list some girls locally that I think are great but I don't know exactly the rule of thumb about that here.  Seems it is not proper to put up number?

Yes, I've sampled one or two WGs during the afternoon, and if I really like one I will book her again iin the evening, (or maybe next day), maybe just for another hour or if it's late and I can negotiate reasonable price do overnight. I'd be surprised if the minder didn't bring up the overnight option themselves if the WG is going to arrive around midnight+. The good thing with this is the minder already knows you by then and sees you as reliable. I've had situations where the minder says WG is busy but offers alternative(s) and I can look them up on 141 while I'm on the phone. NOTE: I've been burnt by trying to get WG to my room circa 10:00pm+ if I haven't already worked with minder previously. It's a real piss-off to wait around for an hour or two and the WG no shows.   
Man, I could have gone out and found my own chicken.

I ring the agent and ask for one hour in my hotel room, just like I would in most countries. I'm normally quoted double the girl's advertised rate e.g, if it's HK$600 I'm usually quoted HK$1,200, etc. Plus they want me to pay cab fare, usually HK$100 (for what is probably a $30 return ride). They will ring me back at hotel to confirm I do exist which in itself can be a problem ...  my surname is quite hard for a Chinese speaker to pronounce and the front desk will want them to quote my name before connecting them to my room. During reasonable hours this is not much of a problem as the desk will ring me and say they have a Mr xxxxon the phone, so "yes I'm expecting his call". Late at night the desk will not do this which can be issue ... but if you have already dealt with minder then cell phone contact works fine. This is one of the major hurdles to get over, no one will want to send out a girl unless they are confident you will be in the hotel/room you quote.

If you really like the WG get her phone number for potential to deal direct in future.

I'm certain the absolute "gems" that appear from time to time would not visit your hotel unless you had good repeat business relationship with the minder (and it would be a miracle if you lucked onto that situation), and it would be big premium.  Anyway these are often impossible to get onto for a visit to their hotel let alone yours, sometimes no one even answers the phone (from the threads I've noticed this can even be a problem for the local Bros).

8isenough - the answers to your questions on Macau are in the "Macau/Zhuhai" thread .....

thanks for all the additional info.  You have given me a direction that I will try for hotel visits.  Cheers mate.

Happy to help u Wackojacko.

If u haven't called the Hotel girls before and only speak English, be prepared for a fair amount of work. Some minders will have no English, even hang up on you, so you will get some rejection. I was after this really beautiful "gem" once so I called back a few times and thay actually put a bar on calls from my phone! (don't worry it won't stop you calling for other WGs).  Sometimes it sounds like you are are onto to some form of call center as u can hear several phones being worked ..... this is good as they may be able to switch you over to a colleague who speaks English, and such person will want to work with you for repeat business, it's their living. They will likely give you their name and direct phone line: "call me, I know all the girls on 141"  (BS). Use your radar as I had one guy who was a "hustler" and tried to add major mark-ups on WGs price.

This should be obvious, but I would only have WG overnight if I had a room safe to lock my stuff in, and I was staying at a reasonably secure hotel that wil screen people to ensure only real hotel guests get hotel access at night (I stay at the Sheraton in TST and never had any problems). You don't want WG to let a couple of her "gorilla" friends into your room at 3:00am while you are asleep, what a rude wake up call that would be ..... "open the safe Gweilo"     

As u probably realise I prefer WGs back to my room. You can negotiate with a 141 walkup too if she is too your taste, and willing. Many work in real low rent premises and I find I can relax much more in my own room, I feel more in control, plus room, sheets, towels, etc., are all high standard and clean.   Plus if she speaks a bit of English u may want some company over dinner. I had a lovely girl once (no longer in HK) who I met in James S Lee Mansion and after great service there negotiated $3k to come back with me to hotel for dinner and fucking, from 6pm to 11pm (11pm was her advertised finish time so she either had a kid or boyfriend at home). She got quite drunk with me and I had great GFE, BBBJ, etc. About two years ago "Suki" in Fuji building (Causeway) offered to come back to my room in TST with her girlfriend (3P) for $2k. I thought this was too much HK$ so didn't take up offer but still regret my decision.

Thanks for all the valuable information froddo.  Had some runaround on the phones during my last visit, but as you say, there are plenty of WG's there to choose from.  I'm like you and prefer the comfort of my own hotel room. Usually stay at the Panorama on Hart Street, so close to James Lee Mansion and Observatory road.  [hotel has safe and good security].  English speaking   WG's are a big yes [at least a little English speaking].  Makes the lonely trip more bearable!  cheers mate.

yeah it can be lonely .... especially sitting all alone at restaurant for dinner, can feel rather tragic.