I wanted to share my thoughts about WG Economics & Expectations in SH/CP/HK/MACAO and where I find value and my approach to "satisfaction". I've highlighted some
***POINTS*** which are my opinions on how much "quality" costs.
EXPECTATIONS
I treat the mission like resort or retreat vacation. It usually for 3-5 days. I like it to be straight forward, not too much stress, and be a relatively classy experience. I prefer the hotel to be central to KTV/Sauna/Restarants. In the case of HK/Macao, the ferry makes it easy and the whole city is like a resort so it matters less. I like there to be a fairly clean standard overall. I wouldn't eat at the dirtiest place in my hometown, why would I eat the dirtiest place on vacation?
I expect to have 3-4 sessions a day. I prefer 2 back-to-back in the late afternoon/evening, one before bed and another when I wake up. With KTV its usually once after KTV, then eat, then the second before bed and then when we get up.. In Macau, its usually a bunch of sauna, then back to HK.
For service I expect some foreplay (petting, nipples, etc), BBBJ for 10 minutes at least followed by 25-35 mins of FS with a combination of positions. Total service of 35-45 minutes not counting showers, chatting, etc. I could definitely do longer but I find its enough for both parties to get enough satisfaction (or pain). Of the WG's I talk to, they say hardly anyone does FS for more than 10 minutes - White, asian, whatever... If its a back-to-back, then its almost 70-100minutes of total time.
I prefer to take control of the session. I've definitely had some PSE, but I'm happy with the girl letting me do my thing without complaining too much. Take for example the shower play and wet BBBJ of a KTV girl. Yes its nice, but lack of some soaping and 2 minute wet BJ is not a deal breaker. I'm not going to stand in a shower for 10 minutes of BJ, when I could be doing that on the bed plus 30 minutes of pounding just in the other room. Likewise DATY, LFK, DFK are not things I am overly concerned about or even want to do except in rare cases.
The quality of the girl is the hardest part and it depends on what is on offer vs. how much I "need" it. I made myself a promise that I would try to only get WGs that would turn my head on the street. It made me realize that 1.) there are alot of hot girls on the street
and 2.) there are very few hot girls in saunas and KTV's.
Generally I choose girls that fit this criteria: 165-170cm / 42-45kg / 18-22yo / A+ to B+ bra / Small face / Long Legs / Northern PRC (For looks, accent, attitude).
ECONOMICS
I start by breaking down the service fee followed by additions for quality of the girl and quality of the establishment. I find that FS prices are pretty similar across China/HK with Macao being slightly more expensive. I will generalize the prices of different cities in China, my main experience being in SH and CP. I am comparing the FS portion mainly. Hotel/KTV - Sauna Fees/Food is a separate issue.
The cheapest service fee from a BBS for about 200-300rmb. Service is generally rushed, unskilled with variable attitude. Venue and experience are "dirty" which good and bad at the same time. Time is usually something like 20-45 minutes.
Saunas CP/SH are 600-1000. Service is standardized though skill and attitude are variable. Time is 60-75-90-120 minutes depending on place. I would say the FS portion of the sauna fee is about 2/3 of the price making its something like 500-750. I think for this price you are getting a fair upgrade from BBS in terms of service/skill. Sometimes you can get 2 pops, but if you can't in the alotted time this is a non-factor.
Mid-range KTV girls (CP) you can get ST for 600-800. The looks are *maybe* better, but service is generally less complete. However, the looks/service trade off make this generally equal to the sauna pricing.
***POINT***
It is reasonable to prepare about 600rmb or so to have decent FS experience with a relatively clean, 5-7/10 WG, in a straight forward environment in China.
The additional 200-400+ is factor for the hardware or build of the establishment. (Not including drinks + extras).
***POINT***
Hotter or flat out HOT girls cost more, but how much more? A good solid wood chest could easily cost 10 times the price of an IKEA one...
7-8/10 is where I turn my head to check out a girl. To me, it is reasonable to expect to put up 1000rmb for FS with a better looking girl. However, IMHO 1000rmb won't get you a 7/10 in China anymore! 1000rmb is how much you'll have to pay in taxi's + service to get from downton SH to most of the local saunas where the girls are 4-6/10. In CP you still have to factor in KTV fees, sauna room fees.
Model category girls costs 1000-2000 in CP KTVs. This is a marketing ploy and rip off in many cases. The girl is usually "just tall"... and big, or plain, or in some way unkempt. Service and quality is YMMV. Still there are some 8.5/10's and many girls are 18-22yo, but you have to get there early!
***POINT***
If you expect the girl to look 7/10 or better, (ie. a girl you would check out in the club), and looks are important, then 1000rmb or more is reasonable.
***POINT***
In HK141 hotel walk-ups the price is 700-800hkd = approx 600rmb. The girl quality is usually 6-7.5/10 with decent service lasting 45-60. This is a viable option and quite fair. For me, on the whole site, there are usually only 2-3 that MCOT. Oftentimes they just left town, are a B&S, or too Photoshopped. There is usually an awkward wait and in some cases, the time it takes and the stress is causes isn't really worth it. Still compared with China saunas, this is still a good and fair option for mid-tier girls.
In Macao, the higher end saunas (D1/18/Rio/East) cost 1600-2000hkd (1300-1600rmb) for regular and 1900-2300hkd (1550-1875rmb) for models. The girl quality is MUCH better (7-9) and service is comparable or sometimes MUCH better (D1). Likewise, I make the claim that about 2/3 of that money is for the FS portion. That is to say, at D1 I think the bath part is worth 1/4 of the price and at Rio the sauna facility and wet service accounts for 1/3 of the price for comparison's ake.
In Macao KTVs, the ST rate is around 1500-1800hkd (1200-1450rmb) generalized.
***POINT***
If 1000rmb is something acceptable for 7/10, then the price for FS between PRC/HK/Macao are pretty similar.
If you think a Porsche is nicer to drive than a sport-tuned Honda (they basically do the same thing, but one looks alot nicer), then perhaps model quality (+500rmb) for more money is something that you may find worthwhile. That would make the model FS to be about 1500rmb generalized across CP/Macao.
In HK/Macao, every aspect of the non-FS stuff is MUCH MUCH better and more expensive. However, it will feel much more like a classy "vacation".
Macao girls are on average slightly older 22-25 vs. 18-22 in CP. This may be a factor in your "x/10" rating.
***POINT***
CONCLUSION
No matter how I cut it, for a good night out with 3 FS sessions with a 7/10 or better, I spend about 2500-3000rmb or about 1000/session.
6/10 WG: 3 x SH Sauna (880) = 2640rmb <---- I would never do this, WG quality is too low.
7/10 WG: 3 x mid-tier CP KTV (800) = 2400rmb
8/10 WG: CP Sauna (800) + CP Eurasia Model LT (2000) = 2800 <---- Hard to time.
8-9/10 WG: D1 Model (2000) + Macao Sauna (2000) = 4000hkd = 3600rmb
8-9/10 WG: D1 Model (2500-2pops) + Lisboa girl (1000) = 3500hkd = 2800rmb (Yes I know, Lisboa girl is no good, but if you just 2 pop'd a D1 model...)
When I'm out, I'm on "vacation-budget". The difference of a few few hundred rmb is negligible and is easily made up with eating something cheaper, buying one less thing, or just saying fuck it and spending some extra money.
Overall I let about $1500-2000 USD ride out over 3-5 days. Somedays I take a break in the middle and spend the money on shopping or watch a movie. I don't drink or gamble so that saves quite alot. I take around 4-7 trips a year, roughly every 2-3 months. HK being so central, it makes sense to use it as a hub and try out all the places.
Hope you guys found this interesting. What do you expect on trips and how do you budget?
FURTHER STUDY
CA - What's an 8-9.5/10 girl who is 18-21 like? How much?
SH - What are some sure bets in SH for guys on a short leash?
CP - Take another look at CP BBS(?)
Macao - KTV take out - Shun Tak packages.
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Last edited by SHLW at 19-5-2012 22:04 ]
