Funny how just about everyone here agrees that FuckBuddy relationships never stay in this zone.  Damn, right?  It is a seemingly perfect sexual agreement between consenting adults where both parties gain mutual pleasure without risk or baggage.  Yet inherently unstable.  All mine collapse as some point.

Hell, even relationships , meaning seeing somewhat regularly and becoming "friends", with WGs don't remain static.

Introduce familiarity and sooner or later the professional relationship changes.  At first some of the changes can be good.  Better sex, more offerings, but usuallyover time it devolves into a situation where the WG starts taking more and more liberties and soon, shit, why am I paying for this.  

If I wanted grief I'd have a real girl friend.   If I wanted shit from you I'd squeeze your head!  Oops, sorry maybe a little overstated  But the point is the same.

I don't know, maybe it's just me cause I am usually too soft with the girls and don't nip crossing the line in the bud.  Insidious creep!

I gotta keep it fresh and stop old habits...................Sorry, just more of my problems.

I mean.......I'm just sayin.....

Che'lu

Yeah, that's true too.  I have had plenty of dramas with my bar-girl regulars over the years:  jealousy, asking for more time (them asking, not me!), and the ol'chestnut -- them asking/hoping I am their savior to get them out of the life.  I love punting with regulars as I do enjoy the closeness and intimacy and comfort-level you develop --- but it seems to be an unstable relationship-type as well.

Sigh....

@ Che'lu and Wander...


Like it or not, WGs are still the female species after all..so sooner or later there will bound to be something more than just the hand me the money and you will get your honey scenario.

They too need to feel needed, loved and cared for. Since most of them probably are single with no family, they Johns are the way to look forward for some of these needs. Hell some of them may even be harboring the hope of one of the rich Johns they serve will eventually take them in as a mistress or even better... be their bride!

Especially if the Johns they serve somehow click with them (like in many times in Wander's case), becoming regulars and all that, I am sure there will be some emotional attachments involve in this supposedly platonic and money based relationship.

Just MHO...

I think there are pros and cons however you look at it. That being said... Here's what I think...
1. Don't pay for anything you can get for free.
2. Why pay for something you're already paying for?

Sex with the SO might be great. You have chemistry, you know what each other respond to... Yadda Yadda Yadda. She probably isn't going to dress up, let you tie her up, or change the shape of her breasts/face/LS for you on a regular basis tho. That to me is where getting some strange comes in.

Over time, multiple gfs stop being "strange". Then it just becomes a matter of how much variety you want / need. And what you're willing to give up for it. Do you want fresh experiences? Or someone to cook you breakfast? Are you just looking to unleash the swimmers? Or is a "connection" important to you?

I don't think it's about game. I think it just comes down to what you're looking for and what's right for your situation.

~UD

I'm with you gwailo ... that elusive GFE ... something that, in the back of your mind, you know isn't quite fully authentic unless she's in it for the BFE not the money ...

But this thread didn't start off about whether unpaid sex is good ... it started off about people who distance themselves from paid sex.  

MHO is that - as with all examples of prejudice - if the person making the statement has never tried paid sex (at least enough to have found a good provider) it's best simply to avoid the argument.  It's impossible to win an debate with a bigot ... and arguing with a fool just makes two fools
And if he has tried it and then made an informed choice, well, that's a foundation for an interesting discussion

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Well everyone, thank you for the thoughtful dialogue that this friend of mine has created amongst us . It just goes to show me that there are many here among us who think life is but a joke,   but seriously folks, it shows that everybody has the same concerns and appreciates the elegant simplicity P4P experience .

And to the first poster who replied, these girls in every port are not providers, merely local girls with jobs who either want a NSA sex gig or are thinking that the sex may develop into something more with my friend. And also, my friend is married to a Thai women and has two kids, so he really has it all.

I think all of the discussion here has confirmed my protocol of never doing civvies anywhere, just too much work and too much risk

keep on mongering

[ Last edited by  gwailoplayer at 13-3-2012 21:28 ]

What about "Fuck Buddies"? I guess that also counts as not paying for it.

I had a lady friend who suppose to be a Sex in the City type and very liberal about sex.  (Unfortunately I am not shagging her cos I one of the good guys sic). She sees nothing wrong with meeting up her regular fuck buddy for sex but then doesn't understand why she can't find a good man for a stable long term relationship.  There is plenty of Chinese girls in LKF like that.

Anyway, I don't think you are exploiting a girl by having a one nightstand (provided she not drunk out of her mind). Great that some guys pull all the time and great that HK has a legal way for others to enjoy WG and HG, other countries are quite backwards as it is the oldest profession in the world.

I've got a SO so it is just more convenient to have WG instead going on the pull!!!  Mind you I am getting old as  prefer to go to a good sauna for a rub and tug for 2 hours for my weekly playtime away from SO.

I believe your friend is above average looking, tall, relatively young and have some money to spend. That is why is has so may girlfriends in each port of city as freebies.  I had a roommate who was picking up girls left and right every month. He was just above average looking and around 35 and 6' 2". He was caught cheating by one girl but that is another story.

For China the ratio to females and males doesn't help. It makes it harder for the average Chinese guy to pickup girls as freebies because there are so many guys. It almost like you have to be real good looking, and rich to pickup girls all the time as freebies.

Once a person gets fatter, older, or balder, he will start having problems attracting girls. It doesn't help if he is short, geeky or weird too.  All of us will fall somewhere in one of these categories sooner or later.  Are you attracted to fat, old, short ladies ?

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One observation that came to mind, in reference to Wander and some others mentioning how the local (HK) working girls have a thing for expecting their LT regulars to eventually 'rescue' them from the life.  I almost never see this with working girls in theStates.  In the U.S. it's more like the WGs would almost never consider a John, as that would prevent them from truly leaving the life behind.  At least it's my, very unscientific impression, that U.S. WGs expect to eventually make a clean break from their prostitution past.

I suppose this has something to do with the bigger economic gap between client and Asian WG (in Asia), than between client aWG in the Developed World?  A WG in the U.S. or Europe can meet or exceed her clients' paygrade, whereas a WG in Asia has amore difficult time doing this, and so just about any client looks rich enough by comparison to be a real catch in her book.

In Singapore the standard Geylang hooker takes home around RMB 1 to 2 million dollars after a two-year stint. This excludes all their other costs of living and payment to whichever loanshark they borrow from.

They are still looking for boyfriends and lovers too. I think it's just cultural. Chinese Gals believe in a knight in shining armor however dumb it may sound.

yes i have plenty of friends like this.

they talk about how they can get sex anytime they want... blah blah blah..

then i wring their arms and drag them to CP.

Now they have been to more saunas / KTVs than me.



Which guy don't like to fuck hot chicks?
Most of them just being paranoid about WGs.
worried abt STDs, worried abt high prices, afraid of being seen by others, etc etc..
deep down, everybody just want to fuck fuck fuck...

i have seen and converted sooooo many of such men.

I don't pay for it either - I get it for "free"*


*Don't get it? Search for "free" ;)

I think a lot of people like that holier than thou feeling and somehow they get it from not going to p4p where others may.  The only thing I see is I'm getting more holes than them.  Don't get me wrong, I have civvies on occasion, p4p and IF I'm lucky (or unlucky pending on how you want to see it) the wife.  Why restrict yourself to eating only beef when pork and chicken and fish tastes perfectly fine too!