I personally think that more sauna working girls tend to be staying/working in HK legally (with HK ID cards) comparing with walk-up and Bar girls since the establishment running
the sauna will have a risk on hiring somebody who is illegally staying in HK while walk-up and Bar girls tend to bare such risk on their own but do I have this right ?

When I go out with sauna, walk-up, bar girls privately on their non working hours (although I pay them), I always want to make sure that I am at least not going out with somebody who is illegally staying in HK especially during this time of the year when cops are everywhere.

In my limited knowledge, and from what I understand from various topics regarding our rights with LE, which I have gleaned from this forum. There are no real risks for bros if caught with a WG in violation of their Visa.
I understand that the girl would face being charged/deported, but bros do not face any kind of repercussions.
Unless they are not of legal age, or if you are indulging in a 3P, But I am not clear on the 3P part if it is within your own home/hotel room!
I am happy to be corrected if any of my info is wrong. Just my understanding of it.

From what I've learned, Bros are essentially at no risk from a legal point of view.  If a gal Is in breach of her visa (as ALL bargirls are, as they are not supposed to be earning income while in HK on a tourist visa) she'll get busted, jailed, and deported while you walk away with minimal questioning.  FS in a sauna is not legal either (violates the "1 girl, 1 room" rule).  But it is not the punter that violated any HK law.

I got busted once in a room with 3 hookers here due to a noise complaint (all 3 where in breach of there Visas, so several laws where broken that nite).  It was about 5am and I was rather pissed...  They asked what I was doing, I said "partying" (entirely truthful), they wrote down my HKID # nothing more.

Mind you - I don't recommend being as reckless I have been, but Yeah... HK is rather liberal with punters.

Haha, you are mistaken, sauna girls with HKIDs are the most 'dangerous', not those wgs here on short-term visas.

Going out with HK sauna girls can become a very dangerous activity should you have a SO. Since these girls have HKIDs they can badger you at weird hours should they become smitten with you. You start becoming paranoid that your SO will ask about who called at such weird hours.

Ibiza,

What risk are you thinking of?  Is it just the risk of being caught, questioned, and a record kept of your involvement? If so, then I guess you're on to something, although it may be of little or no consequence in H.K., in the U.S. just getting caught up in a sting can be adverse: you may not get arrested but the record of you being in the massage parlor at the time will be memorialized by the police.  If you're a nobody then fine (unless your wife hires a PI to go digging), if you're somewhat famous then your name will certainly hit the news.  No arrest by the police, but the negative impact to you will be nearly the same.

Thank you all for your comments.

Yes, I know that from the legal point of view, I should be OK even though the girl happens to be illegally staying in HK.

However, I hate the fact that whenever a cop asks for our ID when I am with a WG (who is illegally staying in HK) on her personal time, our fun time is over. This happened to me 2 times already. Therefore, I now prefer to go out with WGs who is legally staying in HK not because protection of myself, but because to avoid stoppage of our dating whenever there is an ID check up.

doghead> Very good point. However, since I only use a punting phone when I see WGs and never disclose my personal number, I should be safe from the situation you have mentioned.

Ahhh, that is what you meant.

Well, I think the only fully-legal method is the walk-up girls.  To work here (in any job) you MUST have a visa that allows working.  Which also means a HKID card.

So -- purely legal requires:

- they have an HKID card and current work-visa
- operate alone ("1 girl, 1 room") or a resident bargirl that does NOT solicit.  (Ie:  You have to ask Her the price..., if she offers a price she is soliciting...)

But, bro... Even if you go the WUs, which are legally allowed, it does not stop LE from doing a building search and banging on your gal's door just to check her visa.  If it's fine all will be good, but they still interrupted you.

I guess nice (4 or 5 star) hotel rooms are far less likely to get busted --- BUT I think most of these gals are in HK from the PRC on tourist visas anyway, so they aren't legal either.

My understanding of the laws could be wrong, but I think this is about right.
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Sorry, I didn’t describe the story clearly again, but what I was talking about is when we are asked for the ID check-up on the streets, but not something like the cops breaking in when we are in a hotel room trying to start (or in the middle of) the deed.
The previous 2 times we were stopped were both on the streets. Since those 2 girls didn’t have an HK ID card, they were immediately taken away but I was released after getting asked few questions as many other Bros here mentioned.

All I need the girl to have is a HK ID card but not a working visa.
Just that whenever we are together and asked by the cops on the streets for ID check-ups, she can simply show it and we can walk away without being interrupted.

Regarding the relation between HK ID Card and working visa, I am bit confused too.
My understanding is that all "legal" HK residents should have an ID card (have to apply for the ID card). However, for foreigners to become "legal" HK resident (unless they have a HK permanent resident dependent), they would have to apply for a working, studying or investing visa to stay in HK beyond the traveling visa period.

All sauna WGs I know who possesses the HK ID Card claims the same story. They get married with a HK permanent resident guy, come to HK and obtain the HK ID Card, and then, get divorced. I don't know the details but seems like they can still keep the HK ID Card after getting divorced. But the next point is where I always get confused, under such status, do these ladies have the right to legally work in HK ? Or is it just that those sauna establishments usually don’t care whether they are allowed to legally work in HK or not as long as they have the HK ID card (legally staying in HK) ?

Here is my take and ranking on legalness....

1. Sauna girls are employed and so are often likely to be legal.  
2. Walkups at least have a stable residence and face the threat of being checked by police so are also more likely to be legal.  
3. Bar girls may or may not be legal... difficult to tell.   
4. Hotel girls are very likely not to be legal because they are often on tourist visas and are temporarily staying in HK.  

Hope that helps.

BTW - why do you keep getting stopped and checked on the street?  That has never happened to me.

Hmmm, think this is not quite right... (I could be wrong).

1. Sauna girls are employed and so are often likely to be legal.  
--- Not true.  They are hired for massge only.  Prostitution in a sauna in HK is NOT legal.  It becomes a brothel as many girls operate out of the same location.  Breaks the "1 girl, 1 room" rule.  Macau saunas are gov't-licensed and fully legal, but not here.  Which is why we cannot post a gal's name or number in HK.

2. Walkups at least have a stable residence and face the threat of being checked by police so are also more likely to be legal.
---- Rarely True.  They need to be a resident, but most are from PRC and therefore likely on a tourist visa - NOT legal for them to work once again.  Breach of Condition of Stay.  (The prosition wasnt illegal, but their visa does not qualify them to work in ANY capacity.

3. Bar girls may or may not be legal... difficult to tell.
---- Yeah, likely 90% are NOT legal - not residents so no working privileges.  Plus, solicitation in a bar is illegal.
   
4. Hotel girls are very likely not to be legal because they are often on tourist visas and are temporarily staying in HK.  

--- True.  But the same applies to WU's and bargirls - most are not residents so cannot work in any capacity legally.

---- the fact is, enough conditions exist that even though prostitution is technically legal in HK, it is only legal in a very narrow and precise format: A girl with an HKID-card and the right to work (a resident) who works in a single room alone (could be her flat, or her hotel room, or your hotel room, I believe).  She could be a WU, an HG, or a bargirl as long as the above conditions are met (and she doesnt solicit in a public place - you must ask her to fuck you for cash, she cannot offer it to you except in the room).  Providing paid sex of any kind in a sauna is never legal in HK (it's defined as a brothel).

I "think" this is accurate.

So having a HK ID Card=HK resident=Have the right to work in HK (of course in compliance with HK laws) ?

That sounds pretty rare that you would have been stopped twice on the street.  I wonder if some of the cops might be using certain girl/guy combinations to identify illegal alien hookers ("illegal alien hookers!" ).

Something along the lines of: fat old guy + sexy young girl = P4P and since they're walking there's a fair chance that he picked her up on the street, ergo she's illegal.

If that becomes a new modus operandi by the cops, then it would argue for a counter tactic of walking separately to one's hotel.

Yo Wander - by "legal" I mean in the sense of likely to be deported if stopped randomly on the street which is Ibiza's rather odd problem.  Agreed, their acts make most of them illegal... thank god!

Wander,

I'm guessing that the reason it's never happened to you is because your exploits are so gonzo-over-the-top affairs that even the cops just shake their heads in bemusement.   I suspect that even if they did pull you over, the list of infractions would be so long that they wouldn't know where to start, and so they just don't even try!

Yeah, when a gal is involved......

I am in Joe Banana's with a super hot Thai gal. We like each other (well, I LIKE HER a lot --- and I think she was into me too.)  I go outside for a quick  smoke. Then LE raids the place!  Mostly looking for Visa infractions, I think.  

I ponder the moment.  A "smart" punter should hang back.  Or leave.  That would be wise.  Naaaah!!!  Fuck that!  I like her!!!  

In I go. I see a cop talking to my gal.  I go over.

"Hi sweety, sorry so long smoking... time to go".  I smile.  

The cop looks at me.  "She with you?".  

"I hope so......  She was when I came in!". I laugh.  

The LE thinks about it for 2 seconds and turns to another girl, I grab mine and we leave quickly.  

Outside, my Thai-hottie says "my visa expired 2 days ago.".

!!!!!!  Shite!

She fucked the hell out of me that nite!!

EDIT:  i gotta add something that just occurred to me.  Joe Bananasa must NOT be paying off the right people!  I have seen it raided several times - yet it is the tamest "pro" bar in Wanchai.  Neptune, Escape, Traffic, Makati, J.Foreat, 109, are ALL much more hard-core.  Joe's is just a small, sorta upscale place that for some reason super hot Thai girls have learned to frequent.  Not many.., but just a few.  Why is LE raiding this place so often???  HMMMMM

[ Last edited by  wander at 17-12-2011 20:59 ]