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Working Lady Fore Play

This is from a white guy perspective with Asian Girls in Sydney but it is probably relevant here, sorry about the Sydney places references

I post this on every punting forum I join, as a gift more the to girls.

WL ->working Lady -> the polite term used on Australia boards.

WL Fore Play

As a friend once put it ”They are woman of course they can enjoy themselves you just have to let them know you can help them enjoy it”.

Just as in any Industry their key to success is repeat business and referrals, a prime difference is that they can often be picky about which clients they wish to see again, this is really about how to be considered a preferred client and there fore receive better service, most WLs are capable of enjoying sex with clients that they are comfortable with. While their reaction to your appearance may not be one of OMG I want to fuck his brains out, all the same WLs are on the whole a lot less concerned with age and body shape compared to the general population, what turns on them is how you treat them physically, mentally and emotionally.

Not meaning to teach anyones Grandma how to Suck eggs but some may find all this usefull, In some cases it may be the young Padawan attempting to teach the master. I am not trying to teach fore play to anyone but wish to highlight fore play in the particular controlled environment, where you cant just kiss and grope her into submission.

If you just lie there and are not some hunk that tends to make woman wet at the mere sight of you, she will give you sex by numbers, the quality of this type of sex depends on the quality of the establishment and the girl, in essence how much you pay. The problem is the quality of experience degrades the more times you experience the same sex by numbers, a bit like sex in a marriage that has lost it's fire. For a while you can just keep paying more, but it doesn't take too long before you reach the ceiling at which the quality experience cannot increase for any price (only the appearance of the girl). Eventually a 10/10 girl giving a 10/10 standard house service at say ACE359 is going to become mundane experience(sure it would take a while). Not meaning to either overly promote ACE359 but the house standard is pretty awesome and for me a consistent experience, nor do I mean to bag ACE359 for a robotic experience (abet brilliant) most girls are more than capable and often willing to let you help them enjoy the experience as well.


The most important thing to consider is the establishment or Escort Service/Freelancer, both in providing your fancy/flavor and in being capable of having happy girls, anywhere the girls are treated poorly the service is likely to reflect this.


Start from the moment you walk in the door, dress well, give them a reason to be interested, once in the room throw in a few words of her language, “hello beautiful” is a good start.
In the real world you have many hours in total to convenience a woman that she is going to enjoy sex with you, for example through passionate kisses that assure her there is some chemistry and that you're generous enough for her to enjoy herself. Aside from few programmed places where the girl starts instantly lashing the inside of you mouth with her tongue*, you don't get the chance to kiss a WG passionately as a standard part of the service.
*The above behavior cant be called kissing passionately, I see it more as her saying she a shit kisser, really i'ts just about keeping your tongue out of her mouth.

Often the first full passionate kiss with some WL happens after you have penetrated her, yet is often proceeded with all the same awkwardness of your first ever tongue kiss. Once again a teenager slowly working her neck, checks, then a few peeks on the lips followed by a tender nibble of one of her lips with yours, her mouth opens ever so slightly, your tongue works gently over her lips she relents and your tongues met. Many non kissers will relent if they are enjoying themselves and you seduce their lips so to speak, while others may reach a point of 'OMG I enjoying this' and start kissing madly.

For some WL things that are normally BF things, such as kissing, DFK, DATY and BBBJ are each off the table as defenses. Once a defense is lowered is hard for them to raise it again, she must feel a little trust to let them down. When things are going absolutely swimmingly the defenses may tumble down in a great avalanche of passion, but the first brick was removed by gaining her trust. This is almost what a girl after a one night stand needs, once she feels she will enjoy herself, she needs to feel safe to trust the person.

Spend a bit of time on her do what ever you do, what ever's your thing, just be Gentle and respectful, gain her trust.


Who's paying who one may ask!
Well I generally stay the hour and give her 5 or 10 mins her time as a tip. It always a little harsh handing her a tip* at the beginning as well as little hit and miss, a tip at the end is all well in good as a reward and a teaser for next time but it don't do you any good for the session. The difference between 45min and an hour is say $40 or $50.
*You do this for money so here is more money do a better job, works with some but can really put some off, don't be an arrogant white man.

Do not ask the ground rules.
Can I put my finger in your pussy?
This question and ones like it, are cold hard questions that hide none of the ugly reality, a WL is going to be more likely to let you do things to her after she has discovered how you are going to treat her.
Your best bet to get feel of the ground rules is to see what other punters say about the Establishment.
Feel your way and back off if she seems to resist, before slowly working on her until she's happier, then gently try again, in some ways it is really the same as the first time you tried to get you finger wet back in high school. She wants to know it's going to feel good and not uncomfortable or worst painful.
The other down side of asking about the ground rules is it leads to disappointment.

This all reminds me of the sex lesson skit in “The Meaning of Life” (Monty Python).

In a lot of girls minds there is no fine line between what constitutes a prostitute and a girlfriend, it is more a large gray area, often with a single girl you have the choice between a prostitute or a girl friend rented by the hour, the choice is made in your first few minutes your are with the girl, your time starts from the moment you see the girl in the Line up/Parade. The way you choose is by respecting her 'choice' in the lineup/parade followed by the amount of respect and attention you give her in the first 5 minutes in the room. If you go leap straight to putting your finger in/on her pussy she is going to clam up, but even the coldest ice queen will let her guard down if you turn her on a little by little without touching the no go zones. Play her ego and flatter the living daylights out of her, it's easier with Asians, especially if you love the bits about her Asian men don't like. Start with stroking/kissing the non sexual organ erogenous zones, near the kiddneys, small of the back, nape of the neck, inner thighs, arse, around the breasts etc, just as you would with a girl in the Real World. Taking the time to work the non prize pieces is a sign of respect and not just taking it for granted that you have bought not only her time but her body as well and can therefore stick anything in anything you like.
I never understand why guys complain when the girls wash them in the shower, it's often the best place to warm them up.

If I feel the need to lie there and be pampered I go to a Rub and Tug, the service in good places is absolutely profound, some provide a quickie fs ending as extra. .


I know this from 20 plus years of punting off and on, when in between relationships, I owe an awefull lot to a Thai woman called Linda, she worked at Maggies (KC) and was the resident Ice Queen Beauty (Classic pale skin fine boned C cup 30yo Bangkok native with 1 son), she took a shine to me (10yrs her junior), it lasted on and off (for streechs of 6 months) monthly for about 5 years. When I look back I was her boyfriend in that screwed up South East Asian WL sense, many will know what I mean, possesive, jealous and always wanting to take it outside the 'Game World' into the real world.
Linda taught me alot of the art of foreplay in the WL sense, I lapped it up, literally many times, but it was more about soft massage and gentle caressing, things a WL is unlikely to get from many clients, these days atleast half their clients are going to have a go at tongue lashing their clit.

In short
Always spend a little time caressing her, putting her at ease, and slowly turning her on. Be considerate and show her tenderness, respect and attention by spend a little time on her, say 5 or 10 mins out of 60. If you make her feel like a woman she will be one for you and not just a piece of meat you have bought to play with.

Pardon me if this all sounds a bit harsh, wimpy or just plain arrogant it's just I have a thing for the feel of a woman going off. Besides I believe that punters that make their WLs happy are happy punters, also I would much rather see a WL in a good mood, than a WL who had a less than pleasant experience with a client they didn't want to see.


Starfishes

What is one mans sex kitten is another mans starfish. There are many things than can make a WL turn starfish and it's not always you, it can be the night, their mood, or they are not really suited to the profession. Even the most persistent starfish will turn for some clients, they are after all a woman. A fair few of the persistent starfishes have boy friends and by having mechanical sex they feel they are not cheating on them, turning them is like getting them to cheat on their BF, on occasions some South East Asian girls will physically mark themselves if they feel they have emotionally cheated on their boy friend. Cut marks on the fore arms or legs, on the odd occasion also self inflicted cigarette burns, not too sure if any girls here go to that extent but in isn't that uncommon in Indonesia . Once again Persistent starfishes are in the wrong industry.


Respect the Pussy

Clean trimmed non sharp finger nails, a scratched pussy is no joke for a WL.
As a rule I will never touch a WL's clit until I feel she is already wet, gentling holding the pussy and rubbing it for sure, but nothing inside the lips until she is wet. Their Pussy is their livelihood and a very sensitive part that doesn't need 4 or 5 guys a night rubbing it raw while it's dry.
If you are really desperate to put your finger on her clit and she remains persistantly dry at least wet your finger.
The more guys that jab at a dry pussy the more chance the rest of us have in facing a mouthful of lube if we DATY, as it will be pre applied.

DATY
If you get her going and she resists the idea of DATY a sobering thought is that it might becauase she is on the tail end of her period. Asian girls (at least some) tend to have much lighter flows. I am speaking from experience, in the end she relented and lowered her fanny just out of reach making sure the only thing my tongue could reach was her clit. It was very much near the end of her period, I got a whiff and realised but kept going as I couldn't taste it .


Mind Games
In my mind Punting happens in another universe and the shit hits the fans if the two universes meet.
Watch out for South East Asian Village girls they are quite capable of falling in love with their favorite client, while others are adept at faking being in love with their favorite mug.
Being a long term regular with a girl can turn into a bit of a head fuck for both of you.

While I consider it a gameverse unlike my friends I always use my real name, if a WL walked passed on the street and said “Hi John” to me instead of “Hi HneryMiller”, anyone who knew me would know instantly, the sensible girls use their real name for that exact same reason.

The crazies that go off versus those that sometimes go off or go off with some clients. The latter is the best and my advice on the first is enjoy once and then run, for if you keep having wild sex you are going to get hooked emotionally one way or another, a lot of the crazy girls are train wrecks waiting to happen and when that train hits the wall they are going to calling you.

I feel I have touched occasionally on some of the darker elements in what happens to some Wls head spaces, so in finishing I wish to say some WL don't belong in the industry, so for both your sake and their sake they are best avoided. One cant help but occasionally stumble upon such a WL or just plain wrong establishment, to me returning is a complete no no. Do not encourage.

Your Feet
Feet Too, many will know Mediterranean people tend to check out your shoes, alot of Asians will check out the state of your feet.

Best to have trimmed toes nails with the gunk between the nails and skin removed.

You may know the one about the state of a woman's feet is a good indication of how clean her pussy is. Conventional wisdom states this is because if she isn't going to bother keeping her feet clean and free of mold she is probably going to show the same lack of attention to her pussy. In reality some of the truth in this wives tales has to do with her fanny being the source of her foot mold because the spores wash down onto her feet during a shower.

Aside from using an indication of intimate personal hygiene, South East Asians may glance at people's feet because the shape of an South East Asian's foot is a good indicator of their social economic background.

Know your SEA WL's childhood.

Toes that are close together with big toe and little toes pointing slightly inwards, indicates a city dweller most like from a wealthy country or from an upper middle class background and above if from a poor country.
Wide spacing between the toes, suggests a family too poor to afford shoes and could only afford sandals/thongs, from a standard working class background and below, if not too splayed then middle class from the tropics.
Toes splayed and almost akin to claws, with definite gripping power, this is a clear indication of a rural childhood, generally the more claw like the poorer they were. Especially true for rice country where starting to weed the rice paddies at a young age tends to promote wide feet and the toes strength as they receive much more use gripping in the mud than If the child grew up wearing shoes on a city pavement.
Toes that are mangled sprayed toes, though not overly clawed are the toes of a dirt poor town/city dweller.

This is a Generalisation of course, the poorer the country of origin the more likely for it to hold true.

In Auckland the locals disquensih between local born Islanders and those born in the Islands by the width of their feet.


The types of girls that do this.


Amongst the foreign Asian students I'd say they are a lot of Part timers doing a few clients a week, especially at the higher end, some brothels claim to have a hundred on their books rotating over several weeks, heaps just do a few shifts a week or fortnight.
Escorts are going to be the same except they earn more per hour so less clients for the same money.

A common scenario
Upper Middle Class Family pays for the degree.( or borrows or backs a student loan)
The checkout job pays the rent,
and 2 or 3 'dates' a week allows her some luxuries without drawing attention. On top of that she gets discrete no attachment sex (and very often damn good sex at that) meanwhile she can play the ice queen with her peers while hunting for a suitable husband. Her future husband will be proud that she was almost virginal when he meet her at Uni.

Not all are addicted to the money or plan to open up a beauty salon back home with their BF.

according to the Melbourne Age more than 50% of sex workers are Foreign students, they are going to cover the whole range from a few times a fortnight through to the ones that want to retire a millionare at thirty

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Originally posted by HenryMiller at 12-1-2011 10:25
according to the Melbourne Age more than 50% of sex workers are Foreign students, they are going to cover the whole range from a few times a fortnight through to the ones that want to retire a millionare at thirty

and to think the Govt actively promotes AUS as a great study destination! Long may they keep this up!
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Reply #1 HenryMiller's post

Excellent post, Henry, or is it John?

As a leg man, I found your observations on feet fascinating.

But most significantly, you show you are a man who understands women,  
by returning often to the theme of respect -- for the pussy and the person
who shares it with you.

"punters that make their WLs happy are happy punters"
How true!

Kudos, and welcome!
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WG I mean Student Visa



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Originally posted by TonyToro at 12-1-2011 19:43

and to think the Govt actively promotes AUS as a great study destination! Long may they keep this up!

It has been a boom for Australia, not just in money or more selfishly WG.
Australia finally has polite staff in the service  and retail industries. "Yeah what" has been replaced by a sweet "Hellro Sir" with a PAN east asian accent, in most Cafes restaurants and Shopping centers within 10km of a University or college.
Quite a few non asian owed shops and cafe's only hire Asian students for front of house work, simply because the local options are much more likely to come with an attitude.

The WG side
A Student Visa comes with a 2 day a week work permit. Many WG's enroll in course and then work 7 days but never more than 2  days in the some place each week.
Legit places follow the 2 day a week rule or shuffle the girls between places. Of course amongst the professional girls there are the usual bodgy loans. though they need to be careful as bonded labour is a real serious thing for them to be caught with, where as an unlicensed establishment is a civil matter.

The influx of Koreans and the Chinese have totally altered the punting landscape and lifted the level of service in the Industry bringing BBBJ to the mainstream.
Though the initial wave of Koreans may have been pros as it was just after a massive crack down in Soul that they arrived, all the same they still would have come in on education visas.
The student visa has become a back door WG visa especially for English courses, though most WG will do some of their course (perhaps not the last month) .

Many Asian Students* work their way through university as WG's, including paying the tuition, while others PT for extra cash when daddy doesn't come through or $15 per hr as a checkout chick is beneath them.
It's easy for them as they are a long way from home and with care can be anonymous.

*I have a semi regular with a Northern Chinese girl finishing her masters she has 9mths left untill she starts her career as a learning disabilities counselor. She has the WG persona of a not too bright nut , but under neath there is a very intelligent serious compassionate woman, who has a persona as a defense. Started with her under graduate 4 or 5 years ago. From a poor semi-rural family most likely did a few years in HK on her way through.

What Mummy and Daddy dont know .. all the same I am sure Mummy and Daddy might be a little upset if they knew what many of their non WG kids get up too.
Of course I am sure many of the poorer families know but dont know if you know what I mean. The poor ones undoubtedly pass through HK and other places in the region as they save the first semesters fees, plane tickets and visa requirements money. I am curious to meet (and ...) them prior to their departure.
Whether in the 10 days I have, I will chance upon a WG saving for the dream to study OS (not only Aust)  I don't know but I am sure I will have fun searching.
Got to have a purpose, I find a purpose makes it less likely to be a blurr latter on

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