Recently, I had a good chat with a WG who was been in the industry for 3 years. She was telling me how she gets no money because her pimp/agent takes too big a cut. So, I raised the possibility of working for herself. She said, when she was new to the industry she unsuccessfully tried it. She mentions, a pimp or reception is essential for this kind of business to work. Plus, the pimp bears the cost of accomadation, sexual expenses (condoms, KY), advertising, getting/managing customers etc. She continued, while workin alone if you get no customers or during quiet business times, the expenses become overbearing.That's why she said, she would never work alone again and she loves her agent. I then wandered in my heard why the fuck were you blaming your agent for taking too much money a second ago?

Now im not too experienced but, I think the only type of WG who can be successful as her own pimp is a street walker. She only has condom expenses, often does it in the car and advertises on street... all free.

i think i know exactly why she sounds so contradictory... i forgot the psychological term for it, but i think its like when a kidnapped person starts to respect the kidnapper... of course, pimps aren't kidnapping anyone and the WG is free to leave the business whenever albeit she'd be in massive debt.

Although being her own pimp gets her more money, there is no guarantee she can get as many customers, since pimps have a lot of contacts and can set her up with wealthy clients. Also, with pimps she has a certain amount of protection, such as when a guy does not pay up or treats her bad, coz her money is also the pimps money.

The psychological term is the Stockholm Syndrome.

The term is Stockholm Syndrome.  I don't think it applies either because, as you said, pimps didn't kidnap her.  She can logically explain why she prefers the pimp to take the financial risks and understands the need for risk and return.  I think it is a simple case of bitching about having the cake and wanting to eat it too.

If she do not want to work with the Pimps, there will be many "hundreds" more willing.

like any job, people just like to bitch.  grass is always greener on the other side

yea guess thats just human life.. we all like to complaint about life/jobs/ what we dont got
we always think the grass is greener in the other side till we get there and wants to return back

Hehe. WG bitching is so ridiculous
I forgot to mention during the conversation she said, ohhhh so tired from last customer, he kept sayin make me cum and she complained to him, make urself cum now. But then I interruptly said... but thats your job. The look on her face was priceless.

Were you just chatting with the WG or were you also doing her ?

if you were doing her where's your report ?

In this thread you you should be more precise - which country are you talking about ?
girls and their relationship with their pimps are different in different areas !

I was just chatting with the WG. I have not done her. The reason I get to talk to many WGs is through a business that I own that WGs tend to use. I know they are WGs because of the product purchased and my chatting skills.

I met this particular WG in australia. She frequently works in New Zealand and Australia, as do many of the wg's in this part of the world, to increase market share with low travel costs. The majority of WGs here adertise on the internet (there are famous sites dedicated to WG advertisements NZ only AUS only). Most (75%) WGs here work out of apartments and private houses privately without official brothel licence. This is illegal in both countries and often when there are multiple WGs in apartments and private houses immigration and police raid the places after the neighboors or dissatisfied customers complain. This is why the WG move locations every 2-3 months. All this makes it all the more essential to have a pimp I guess. The pimp handles these kind of issues and is very helpful for reloaction as well.

Without an agent to answer the phone calls, business will be lost in no time. E.g. if the WG was banging away, the phone rings, what shall she do?

There are WG called independant escorts if you refer to places outside HK?

I was chatting with one WG at 37D and she was a young one who was responsible enough to realize that she needed the discipline of the place to keep making more money.  I mean, it's not so bad when you think about it.  They take 240 + tips per pop and not worrying about any other expenses.  I guess that is better than making 400 a pop and worrying about rent and other stuff.

reality is the good ones can make it work ... but it takes a level of organisation to do it ...

those that lack discipline, customer service skills, or just do a bad job are better off working in a stable than on their own.

Plenty of 141s are working without a pimp, just because that's what the law stipulates, so I don't really see any dilemma in the question whatsoever.

I've had a few independents answer the phone while massaging but never during sex, I'd be pretty ticked off. I'm sure most leave it to the answering machine. I pretty sure they could afford a break after the client leaves to call people back(independents don't take blocked calls seriously), seeing one guy right after the other is kind of unhygienic.

[ Last edited by  grieg at 5-7-2010 04:47 ]

In my opinion, she could make a lot more money going independent.   

If she is smart, tall, big boobs, young, pretty and popular, she should go independent. The cleints will come to her but she should learn the ropes first. She can start by giving out her phone number and getting phone number. I have noticed many girls will get calls from previous clients. She should also keep a list of clients.  I have gotten calls from WG.  Be careful if you have a girlfriend or married.

Many working girls, become mommies after learning the business. They have other girls make the money for them.

On the other hand, a pimp, provides some protection in case of trouble. If she is not pretty,not tall, no boobs, not young, not popular she's going to be in trouble going independent.