I support a thread with only links to authoritative source for references.  I prefer no discussion as it always comes back to personal preferences, acceptable level of risks and even some morality aspects and inevitably ignites heated debates.  This thread is a fine example.

I think we all agree discussion must center on reputable sources and repeatable research.  

The key question is how to handle the issue created when a poster writes personal preferences as if it was an authoritative recommendation or verifiable fact?  

I think we DO need to have standards, and be comfortable with confronting posts that are either misleading or open to misinterpretation.  

And - if I can be allowed to take a stand without taking sides - my perception is that Mars has for a long time filled a useful role in challenging newbies who post unsound arguments or preferences without providing verifiable sources to support their stand.  In the vast majority of cases I've seen an improvement in the quality of posting after a brush with him and (speaking personally here) knowing he is out there lurking in the shadows definitely causes me to think about what I myself am saying and how I say it.  I watch my own words like a hawk.  

I think that function should continue, and maybe [flamesuit on] as a group we should support Mars in taking a stand for clear and consistent reasoning, SO THAT he can avoid being seen as a grumpy old geezer just waiting to pick a fight with anyone he can find the slightest opening to criticise.  

The issue is not STDs, nor is it whether we should allow discussion of STDs.  STDs are so important they deserve to be openly discussed, they are literally a matter of life and death, especially to this community.  The issue I see is we need to come up with a mature and sensitive way to handle an emotive and inflammatory topic that is fraught with bad data / hidden agendas / personal predilictions / contradictory conclusions / etc. and carries potentially life-threatening implications.

IMHO we need a gentle but uncompromising approach to vetting the quality of posts about STDs, and be able to quickly separate a clash of egos from the underlying subject.  

Your thoughts??

well if someone is going to visit WGs im sure they already assume that they might get some stuff ...
its common sense... youre putting your thing in a hole that has been used by many many before you
just have to protect yourself and pray that protection isnt pierced

I think the forum already has an important standard - I can't recall anyone ever promoting BBFS or BB anal as being safe. If anyone did, I'm certain they'd be slammed - and rightlly so.

The problem seems to be with oral sex and many people here obviously have different and irreconcilable views with respect to the amount of risk that is acceptable. As I've written before, the risk a 60-year old man is prepared to take, wrt HIV, might be very different to that of a 20-year old.


What you're suggesting is just more of the same ... constant bickering and no conclusion.


And, pray tell, just who is the AIDS 'expert' on this forum who is going to 'vet' our posts? If we're talking about providing a source for our information, we all already know that you can find an internet source to verify whatever views anyone might have. It would be easy to provide a source that 'proves' HIV is not transmitted by sex. Would that be OK?


That's exactly why we, as amateurs, shouldn't be advising bros on what is 'safe' and what is 'not safe'. When the subject comes up, as it frequently will, bros should be referred to a reputable website, such as the CDC and advice shouldn't be given by bros on this forum - except for the obvious advice - ALWAYS wear a condom.

Edit: We could also promote the line recently used by twiceAweek - 'sex is only safe when there is no exchange of bodily fluids'. I think the forum, as an official policy, should promote SAFE SEX. It would also be good for the forum's image.

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For BBFS, I know for a fact, there are members that will try to BBFS with working girls.  They are not forward and upfront with it because they know they will be criticize.  I am on a few other board ( forums ), and I see pictures of guys going backback.      

My friend told me about stories of guys he meets for the first time, trying to force girls to go bareback. One time was at a sauna. Another time was with a girl he helped another guy to pick up.  He found out because the girls complaining, they did not want to wear a condom. These guys couldn't speak any Chinese and took advantage of my friend. He asked them was it true, they didn't say a word. These guys don't care about STD or the consequences.

To stop all discussions on this topic of STD is not right because this forum is about sex.

EDIT: grammer errors

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Have you guys read the Forum Etiquette and FAQ threads ?
There's already a small section there that talks about STD ... maybe we need to expand on that ?

Damn, I don't agree again!


don't misconstrue me: I'm NOT saying we should vet for factual accuracy, I'm saying we should vet the claims being and assertions made, for making it clear where the line is between verifiable hard data and personal preference.

If you read the links about the various STDs on the CDC site, you will learn that younger women are more susceptible to getting stds and carrying stds.  The reason being is that the vaginas of teens and young women are not fully matured yet ( I guess their vagina skins are easier to tear or scratch making easier for stds to enter).  So guys one addition way to minimize your chance of stds is to stick with 30yo and older women.

nah!!! I think that might be a problem for many of the members here. They want them  young and 30 is a bit over the hill. Whats the next solution?

Yeah, that's a good start. But I think it should have it's own thread and include lnks to suitable websites.

Yes, definately its own thread, with a link to it in the FAQ and FE

omg, i cant believe a mod started yet another thread on this topic.
i cannot begin the imagine the bashing if a newbie had started this same thing. god damnit someone come fuck me!

Did you actually read the first post before shooting your mouth off ?

I wish I was kidding, but after reading the links posted by 56kicks, there is a risk with sleeping with females 25 yo and younger.

Here are the links:

http://www.cdc.gov/STD/PID/STDFact-PID.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/STD/chlamydia/STDFact-Chlamydia.htm

If you read the part about How Women get PID and How Do People Get Chlamydia, it clearly says younger women are in a greater risk because of their immature cervix.

I guess as long as I stick with the saunas, I am pretty safe.

Its probably a little late for me to join the discussion on this subject. However, after reading page after page of this thread there seems to be the tendency on the part of many of us to make assumptions and give opinions about what is safe and what isn't. As twiceAweek has said: We are not qualified to answer these questions.

The only reason I am responding to this is to ask each person here to simply THINK before they decide to engage in unprotected DATY or BBBJ. I am not making a judgement about whether it is right or wrong because that is each person's individual decision, but just remember that this is risky behaviour and some things can't be cured by shaving your pubic hair or taking medication.

Please respect yourself enough to take the precautions that will keep you safe and enjoying these girls company for many years to come and JUST as important. Please have enough respect for these lovely girls to take enough precautions to keep the girls who are willing to pleasure you just as safe.

Just want to add a little bit more colour on this. I think many of us thought using condom can prevent STDs. In fact, condom is just minimized the chance to get STDs but cannot 100% prevent because once some body fluid touched your skin than you would have a chance to infected. This is why some people still get herps at their bottom part of penis because that part is not covered by condom.

an add-in from me, in the US you can purchase instant HIV tests - similar to pregnancy tests DIY.  you find these self-tests for STDs available, which doesn't show up in places like Asia

I agree with the sticky part. That's the only way.
However, just links to the CDC simply aren't enough. There are many more questions that the websites don't offer, eg. the risk (give a number) of contracting each of the individual pathogens for each technique.
If there aren't clear cut answers to such questions, then let it be known that there isn't a clear cut answer.
The best thing would be a concise summary in the opening paragraph requiring all newbies to read through before posting. The opening paragraph should be updated as new relevant questions are posed.