lol you dont take bets with people you dont know?  if your willing to accept a bet, i am willing to pay the money in advance...
i dont understand why your not accepting it, is it pure because you dont know me? I will be tehre during macau cup we can meet up, go sauna together be buddies, then im not a stranger anymore... if its +ev to you  why wouldnt u want to earn more? ask in any pokerforum wether its reasonable or not to win 20k daily on a 10/20. ive been to france/las vegas/hk/macau/germany/ and no one sits twith 2000+euro profit on a 10/20 daily...  let alone on the 25/50 its not very common to have 50K+ swings..

so your saying you played for 15 years, and your saying the run in macau was just as normal as usuall?? or u admit it was a superheater?

my avg hourly rate is $100/hour  i dont need 10 hour sessions, and i sure dont play 10hours/day and that for 17 days in 3 weeks.
i didnt play more than 60 hours for the 110k
it is my main source of income, but atm i dont "work" as much as i should. im playinbg maybe max 30hours a week in my hometown.

anyway, still one long month till march... and seriously since you already have a pretty good idea how bad i am... what stakes do you play online? and on wich site?


one funny note, since you can win 20k daily, 600k a month, your doing way better than MOST pro's, online and live...
and that for a player who playsy for fun...   guess all pro's are just overrated

oh p.s.
this shouldnt be a flame thread.. either accept the bet and have big talks about how "bad" i am, and how normal it is to win 20k daily...

its just pretty frustating if someone who doesnt want to accept the bet and keep talking about how easy it is to win 20kdaily

or just tell me now the bet wont come anyhow.. then i will stop bothering you about it   and just sit at your table in march..

Personally, yes, I think that betting with people you don't know is a bad idea.  There are lots of reasons for that, and if you don't know why, then you obviously arent' very street-smart for Asia.

I think I've mentioned several times in the thread that I admit that I had a good run in Macau, you are just choosing to selectively read my posts.  However, do I think that winning 5 buy-ins in a session is out of this world?  No, I don't think so.

I was also helped by winning 2 and getting ITM for 5 of 8 tournaments I entered.  That's unusual, but as I said, the players there are very soft.  

By your own numbers, $100/hr x 60 hours = 60,000.  That doesn't add up to your purported 110,000, regardless of what currency we are talking about here.  I hope this is not indicative of your calculations at the table.

I generally only play small stakes online, or in mtt tourneys with at least 2,000 players for the practice.  I'm not a huge fan of online poker, I'd rather sit across them on the table.

The Pros make far more than you think in live games.  

Again, in case you missed it, I HAD A GOOD RUN IN MACAU, but you constantly harping on it is just silly.  And frankly, you don't sound like a very good player, so I can understand your disbelief.

Be a little open-minded, might help your game.

I've told you repeatedly that I do not accept side bets, and especially not from online strangers.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, since your description of the Lisboa players is so off it's not even believable you have played there recently.

Improve your game and take your money off the table, and if you can, stack me when I'm there in March.

Grow up already.

Dude make it 5k then or 10k or Darling one freeroll, i can miss that, and i know for sure you can miss that, its just a small % from ur dailies...
i will pay u in advance.. im a very sweet nice and innocent 25yr old, i wont bite...

20k a day is not 5 buyins.. its nearly 7 buy ins...

Read again, i said my AVG hourly rate is $100 and its obv usd instead of hkd... 100hkd/hour would be pretty sad..

"By your own numbers, $100/hr x 60 hours = 60,000."
dude, 60 hours x 100usd  = 6.000 not 60.000....

ofcourse the 50/100 and above comfort zone pros sure make far more... but thats not comparable to 10/20 players
no fucking way one can ship 500k monthly on 10/20..
a friend was winninig 100.000 euro in a month  on a 10/20euro game and he was literally raping the game, yet its still just the double of ur avg

hmmm so no sidebet, no online roll for HU, ill guess ill see in march then, hopefully i do get to meet u, cant wait to lose all my money to you on a 10/20  
and if ur in, im willing to play 200NL HU or 400NL HU im talking about online... if not... i will talk to you end of feb again

this is so true.. i took 2 short sessions.. but there was literally no action.... ive seen people open fold 2 pair and toppairs with no problem...
even a fucking bottom straight it was a fold!

so ill guess the new year brought in a lot of juicy players...


anyway your scared nevermind
ill see u in march and i will stack u no problem

I had a typo there ... 6,000 instead of 60,000 sure .. so how does 6,000 USD translate into 110,000 HKD?

And I wouldn't know, since I didn't play for an entire month, I didn't win 500k.  But did I average about 20k a day in winnings.  Could I do that everyday for months on end?  Obviously you can't win everyday over the long run, but I wasn't complaining when I was.  

I'm not surprised you are 25, since you are talking through your ass about a poker room you don't even play in.  Open fold two pair and top pair? LOL how would you know?  Super tight players that would show you their cards as they fold?  Give me a break.  Nitty players muck, they don't show their cards.

And why wouldn't you fold a bottom straight?  That's exactly how you get stacked if you're stupid.

Seriously, why would I be scared?  You are like a guy who threatens other people over the Internet.  Seriously, get a grip.

I welcome all challengers, the better the challenger, the more fun it is.

But I only play on my terms.  So your sidebet to me is just stupid.  Why would I bet with somebody I don't know, on the terms you made up?  Pay me ahead of time?  Are you just gullible, believe in the best of people, or just stupid?

If you were a good player, you'd know you should only play on your terms, I'd rather take your money across the table, not away from it.

There are a million reasons why NOT to bet with strangers, I suggest you learn about that before you get yourself in trouble.

do you know AVG stands for? avg = average... 100usd is my average hourly hour
for sure i was earning more than my avg when i had 110k in less than 60 hours.... but that was because i was staying in hk, work less play hard..

lol i didnt play in gl? the france pro Francois Balmigere, (if u seen the wsop you will recognize him) who got a top 25 finish in  WSOP ME was tehre when i was around.. i took a 10k pot of with blufcatching with ace high
but yes, i was more in wynn  they barely had 20/40 or above games in GL  its just a nit fest of 10/20 "grinders"

how woudl i know why they openfold? cause the dude was sitting next to me and he open folded everytime, and i was like dude.. ur just telling the whole table how easy it is to bluff ur ass off...
it was more a passive nit  than a supertight player

its more your terms.. you say you can win it daily wihout much effort, im not asking u to win 30k, you said 20k, 20k is fine by me.. why do i want to pay in advance? cause its just 5k, i dont need to be all time buddies with someone i bet 5k with..
and why do i want to make the bet, cause im pretty sure i will win the bet...

want to play me HU online then? or im too much of a stranger for that too??  but seems like ur also to good to win my money online too... guess ill  have to wait 1 month...   untill then... pm me for HU online if u dare...

tired of old guys who cant back their talks by an innocent small side bet...  winings 20k daily and scared to lsoe 5k...
jokerrr

You base your opinion on one player who sits next to you?  That's pathetic.  

Yes, I didn't have a problem winning when I was there.  That can be said of a lot of regular players there.  If you played there more often, you might actually recognize some of those players, I certainly do.

If I run across you online or in live, I would be more than willing to play with you, I even told you when I'll be in Macau.

But to go out of my way to play you so you can believe me?  LOL, you have too high an opinion of your own importance.

I do find this conversation funny though.

I'm not exactly old, but you act like a brat who can't get his way, it's pretty funny shit.  I'm not at all scared of losing money, but I won't sidebet with strangers, enough said.

I already told you, play at my table in Macau and let's see who is the better player.  I'm not scared at all, so stop twisting the story.

Your math is really bad though.

Considering you said you usually win about 90,000 and you hit 110,000 twice, having an average of 780 HKD a hour means you play at LEAST 30 hours a week. Not a MAX of 30 hours a week.

In any case, as you mentioned, stop trying to be retarded about a sidebet that won't materialize, and just challenge me in person if we are both in town.

If you are really regularly playing 50/100, then having a win of 8 BB/hour is pretty bad.  That's like playing 10/20 and only winning 160 HKD / hour.

I suggest you beat me before talking through your ass about sidebets.  You definitely don't sound good enough to beat a top 25 player in the WSOP, except by pure luck.

if your willing to accept an online HU match which you obv DONT.... i cant do much more than talking here...
but im also tired talking to a 40 yr old who doesnt want to play online against a kiddo... who doesnt dare to accept a bet from the kiddo... and who doesnt answer most of my questions...  
i dont play regulary 50/100 thats pretty obv.... calling an all in with ace high has nothing to do with pure luck...

just play me online or just stfu and ill see u in one month...

but ill guess its the last... you dont dare to play me hu ;(

just bash the gambling donkeys in macau and get 20k';s a day lolzzzz

oh p.s. reason why im so "upset" about this situation... is because you really remind me of those 16yr old during gaming.. "im better than you, im better thanyou, but i wont play against you"

[ Last edited by  Finn at 1-2-2010 11:30 ]

Actually, I'm not even close to 40, and I did not initially write in this thread to say I'm better than you are.

If you actually read my posts carefully, I'm just describing my experiences and a small write-up on how soft the players were at the Grand Lisboa during the holidays.

It was you who constantly bashed me, and told me that my numbers couldn't possibly be correct.  Sorry to say, but I was there, you weren't, and my bankroll agrees with my version of the story.

If you don't play 50/100, then I don't know what the fuss is, since at many 20/40 or 25/50 tables you won't see that much more action than a loose 10/20.  In fact, sometimes, you'll see smaller stacks on a 20/40 than a long-running 10/20.  This is especially true at the Grand Lisboa since the 20/40 is sporadic, while the 10/20 has been running 24/7.

And you got lucky with a single call, calling one hand down as a bluff does not convince anybody you are a good player.  You have to do it all the time, and generally calling down bluffs with Ace high is a dumb ass move, especially if you don't play that player often.

What question haven't I answered?

I'll play you across the tables live in Macau if we are both in town, anybody is welcome to join at the casino.  Just because I don't like to sidebet with strangers or play online does not mean I won't play you.  Your line of reasoning is ridiculous.  This started off about playing THP in Macau, not about sidebets or online heads up play.

It's good you acknowledge yourself as a "kiddo" because you sure are acting like one.

I'll be more than willing to play you live in Macau, so stop with the stupid posturing, the world doesn't revolve around you.