bro, if you can get it up without then you don't need it... that is my opinion anyways, I am saving the V&C's for the day when I do need them, alas I know that day may have already passed, but I am doing my best to stay hard naturally...
having said that, i did try the Indian generic "Vigora" a few years back, popped a half and it had me going all night long... a friend of mine, alot younger, took it with her boyfriend (both young), she said he was hard for 8 hours and at the end of it, in a fair bit of pain...
my 2 cents...
orgy, can't wait to read about that one
have fun guys...