Wanted to get peoples thoughts of your mongering experiences abroad and inHK.

From personal experience, in London, it's pretty expensive for what you get. Also, there tends to be huge amounts of fake photos especially with Asian Women. They all are AV stars... (I watch a lot ). Overall experience have been mixed.

In HK, definitely much cheaper though girl's performance tends to be mediocare. However, they are willing to go out with you etc... though they nag you for things i.e. food, electronics etc.

Any thoughts?

In HK, WGs nag you for food and electronics ?????

That's what happens if you don't pay them !!!

If they are willing to go out with you for free then it's the least you can do by paying for the nights entertainment.  Modest gifts should also be offered in my opinion.  Nothing comes for free.

Lol

try getting married!!!

all girls are the same underneath

in bangkok, you can take get a girl at an agogo bar to go back with you to your hotel
for a LT session and in the morning, if you like her company, you can ask her to stay on
with you for the next couple of days. she calls in to her mamasan at the bar and you
make a trip down and pay the bar fine for the number of days you are taking her out.
(about 500 THB per day).

after that, she becomes your escort and morphs into your "girlfriend". you take her out,
pay for the meals, go shopping, watch movies etc. of course the sex becomes more GFE
thereafter. usually, in addition to all the bills you pay, you should give her about 3000-4000 THB
a day by way of "salary" (what she would have earned from 1 LT customer if she had reported
for work that day).

does she nag you for gifts? no. but its kind of an unspoken 'rule' that you should at least
buy her some clothes, girly knick-knacks etc when the both of you are out shopping (of course,
no need for gucci or prada or that sort of thing).

i tried this once before in bangkok on my first trip there although not on my more recent
one. some would like it and some would not - my buddy had an absolute blast this time round.
he got a girl from an agogo bar and took off with her to pattaya for a few days leaving me to
roam the massage parlours in bangkok (not that its a bad thing ).

Haven't went out with WG but seems like the unspoken rule is to at least buy them stuff since they are working like an escort already. Genuine companionship, i believe from a WG is very rare, if not non existence.

I wouldn't say genuine companionship is non existence but definitely rare.  I've been out with girls that told me not to buy them anything anymore upon receiving initial gift and have fought to pay for dinners and movies, I've also been out with girls that want me to take them shopping for Chanel bags LOL . It's all luck of the draw.

[ Last edited by  kenli at 30-9-2009 09:44 ]

Definitely concur on Europe: it's very expensive by SE Asia mongering standards.  I also think there are more rip-offs lurking in the European theatre of operations.  The only time I was truly scammed was in London.  Forget about France unless you want a tranny in the Bois de Bologne kind of experience! O.K, o.k., they do have services in France, but you should mostly forget about those too!  Scandinavia? No service needed!  Just be tall . . .

Germany has things well codified with the FKKs, after hours dating is still highly variable.  Eastern Europe is productive but lots of gold diggers (if that means anything in a P4P context) if you go for the equivalent of extended LT/dating.

U.S. imports lots of Asia talent (particularly San Francisco and the West Coast) so the whole 'off-the-clock (never truly)' is common there with the AMP and TAMP girls.  No barfine to pay but the common etiquette is the proverbial shopping trip(s), in some ways it feels more like going with a karaoke girl, but with sex (if that makes any sense).  I've had TAMP girlfriends that lasted years with no shopping trips at all and then working girlfriends who would get right to the point (and so didn't last long with me).

Singapore and the semi-pro scene there is kind of a hybrid: fairly well-defined, extended time boundaries (she'll stay all night) with a fairly well-defined cost.  She'll proposition you in the bar if you make eye contact.  It's a pretty easy game, although I mostly find my errors to be ones relating to not being able to see in a dark bar!   Man they sure look different in the light of day! I haven't played much in the P4P arena there, even though it is excellent and extensive, simply because the semi and non-pro opportunities are so huge.

Vietnam is a somewhat confused scene, everything from 'me love you long-time' schtick in one of the numbered bars of District 1 (where you can even get a BBBJ under the pool table), to ST/LT back at your hotel to semi-pros picking you up on the street or from their scooter (nothing cuter than a girl on an antique Vespa giving you the twice over   ) to 'semi-pros' (using the term loosly here) at AP picking you up for the night (price frequently not negotiated at all, just left to your discretion).  Have to know which hotels are 'GF' and which aren't.  P4P is illegal here but tolerated if it's not out in the open.  You can get excellent BBBJ services from some hotel massage staffs (but not all so be careful who you ask!) and from even the hair salons (but again some, not all).  Tread carefully!

Hong Kong is new to me, so very little to write about outside of 141-land.  Seems like a lot of fun here and I'm looking forward to learning more.

Wow, general consensus is this 'unspoken rule,' thing. Definitely got to pay more attention to this, but hey this comes with experience and I am still a novice compare to most out there

Haha, I definitely agreed about theTranny experiences in France. But it occurs in London as well. I checked a few websites and gosh, most real pics, I am pretty dubious on as the facial features look so strange. They all have boob jobs which is pretty standard, but I can tell they had nose jobs etc. Before you know it, they prob had adam's apple cut off and they were men before!! Scary thought to mistakenly monger a Tran!!

I agree with Kenli that genuine companionship is luck of the draw. Definitely haven't met any WG fighting over any bills!! Actually come to think of it, I dated many women and actually no girl has ever fought for the bill!!! Kenli - you sure they were women

1000 % positive all women and some actually buy me gifts LOL  currently dating a 23 yo Beijing visa student.  

What happens if the girls pull you to a branded bag boutique? do you actually buy one for them or how do you excuse yourself from that? i will never splurge so much on a WG even when we're dating!

I have bought branded bags before for WGs but I usually limit them to the cheaper brands like 1000 CAD and that's only when I really like them and we have been on a few dates.  No need to use excuses for girls I don't want to buy for I just say it's too expensive and not worth it end of discussion and if they don't like it they can leave.

If you factor in the number of dates you have been on with her and how many sessions you get sometimes it works out to be the same as paying her for each session and plus you get the full GFE.  

1000 CAD may seem like alot but if I can bonk her 5 times then I figure I would've handed her 1000 CAD anyways so it's all the same, but you can argue I could've had 5 different girls !! but to me if the girl is hot and the sessions are good then I really don't mind doing repeats.

Haha I'm married so I know how crazy girls can get over designer bags just like how most guys go crazy over electronics, plus for me the wifey can have all the bags she wants and all I have to do is go down to the auto dealership and pick myself up a sports car that'll be way more expensive then the bags.

Yep.  I sometimes give electronics, but only the cheap stuff like $350 MP3 players and say that they cost me double that. LOL

plus for me the wifey can have all the bags she wants and all I have to do is go down to the auto dealership and pick myself up a sports car that'll be way more expensive then the bags.  

Kenli, I like your way of spending $$

You do have to disassociate yourself from the mood of the moment when you do the shopping trip.  You're running around with a hottie feeling all GFE, it's easy to get sucked into spending like it too.  No!  You've got to compartmentalize and not be shy about laying down the law (politely of course, just like when she tried to stick her finger up your ass and you told her no   ).  Get used to it or don't go shopping!