Based on this thread, it seems we can either believe you, with your particular circumstances and limited experience, or we can believe an academic, statistical study of 1,000 women, as well as our own experiences.

Of course, to quote the study, you might be a tall man with a deep voice, who smells good and has a symmetrical body. Unfortunately, most of us don't live up to this ideal, so why are you surprised at what other bros are saying?

So you're saying that whereas I suffer form the delusion that I satisfy the women I fuck, you're certain that you don't. Have I understood you correctly?

But I understand where you're coming from with all this Lenny. These comments of yours, and the decision to post this article rather some other study that describes the pleasure women take in a good fuck, are not just impartial reflections upon the nature of women and sex, are they? You are, in fact, agitating for a position in which you have invested some degree of emotional energy. If I may quote you:





So considering that you don't like women to enjoy sex, how much more convenient for you if they, in fact, don't really find fucking pleasurable anyway. And if they are lying to us about the reasons for letting us fuck them, if they are just trying to manipulate us when submitting to our needs, then the deceitful bitches deserve to be used and punished, and worrying about satisfying women is then not only pointless, it's stupid. And so you Lenny are da man, the wise and seasoned  player who sees through all the bullshit and takes what he wants, and if they whimper in pain, all the better.

I also get the impression that your disdain for female sexuality has been influenced, to some extent, by how women react to your physical appearance.

This is what I mean when I say that we all lie, even to ourselves.

Don't really understand your reply. On this forum I only write about my experiences with WGs, not GFs and I make a very clear distinction between the 2, as I think you do.  You've written that WGs are for a quick, easy fuck and they rarely, if ever, orgasm. So what are you talking about?

And where did this come from:


For the record, I'm young [mid-20s], average-looking [and modest] and athletic. I've played a lot of sports [still do] and have been successful. In fact, my job is sports-oriented. Yes, I'm aggressive and HK non-WGs seem to like that - except in sex when I find them too passive and unadventurous. They can't satisfy all my sexual needs, which is why I visit WGs. Never had a FB that other bros have talked about.

Btw, I posted the article because I thought it was funny and wanted to share the fun with other bros. Don't be too serious. And it was you who changed the subject to orgasms instead of 'reasons why women have sex' or do you actually think that's the only reason?

Sometimes I think you just like to write but don't bother to read. I can now understand why you used to piss Jake off so much.

What's difficult to understand?


That obviously comes from this:


and as I said, it was only an impression.

I talk about orgasms because if women are climaxing, they're obviously enjoying sex. And I wasn't the first or only poster in this thread to raise the issue of orgasms.

Your article clearly implies women aren't excited about sex. And if they're not, some of the blame for that has to lie with their lovers; thus my statement that guys should try a little harder to pleasure their women.

But I wrote what I did because you said you doubted I was giving my GFs orgasms. That implies you're not, otherwise why express doubt that I am? And from what you'd written about sex with WGs, you don't even want them to enjoy sex with you. That's a rather extreme viewpoint don't you think? But are you saying that you like it when WGs whimper in pain, but not GFs?

I'm not tall and I don't have a deep voice.

I think many guys might visit WGs to satisfy their little fantasies that they can't, or choose not to, live out in their 'real' lives. Maybe you don't have the imagination to have a fantasy.

I admit, I don't have your near 100% record of giving all my GFs orgasms and I'd be intrested to hear if any other bro on this forum can make the same claim as you. Hat's off to any bro who can. I note you said it only happened when you came Asiia - any reason for that?

No, I wouldn't liike it if a GF whimpered in pain because I have an emotional attachment that I don't have with a WG. I enjoy fucking WGs, in part, because I don't have that emotional attachment and I don't have to worry about her pleasure. And the whimpering is part of my particular fantasy. As I wrote - stolen fruit is sweeter. From what I've read on this forum - giving WGs multiple orgasms appears to be a common fantasy - to each his own.

All I can say is, your success rate must be considerably less than 100% to think it necessary to call me on this.


Now that is interesting - to me, at least. Prior to coming out to Asia in my early twenties, among my white GFs, there were three who never managed to have an orgasm with a guy, me included. That works out to about a 30% fail rate. None of these girls were very interested in sex, and I'm not sure if the inability to have orgasms was cause or effect. They all seemed to have problems getting out of the way of their bodies and giving themselves up to the pleasure of a good carnal fuck.

Since arriving in Asia 30 years ago, I've only had Asian GFs - that's right folks, three decades without even the whiff of white pussy - and none of them had any problems cuming. I even had one Taiwanese GF who could cum quicker that I could, both of us starting from scratch. Never have I encountered an Asian girl who felt uncomfortable having sex with a guy, and that includes two Asian Americans.

I do not know why there should be a difference between Western and Asian girls. Is there any physiological difference? - I don't know. It's possible my experience with white girls is unique to me. I do believe tho that Christian cultures, with their fornication-is-a-sin biases, can sometimes impose a layer of guilt about sex that can interfere with a woman's ability to relax during sex - like the priest in Woody Allen's brain in that famous scene from 'Everything you always wanted to know about sex...'

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The two observations are likely to be closely linked: Women have differing levels of testosterone (and the level changes at different stages of their life).  Low testosterone pretty much does it for enjoying sex.  
Of course there COULD be another reason why (separately) they are not interested in sex and also simultaneously not able to orgasm, and in any individual case there may be some other factor in play.  Coincidences can happen, they're just improbable.  But low testosterone would account for both of the observations without resorting to coincidence.


There's another interesting branch of study showing that being the outsider of a group makes one sexually more attractive than insiders.  On a biological level it fosters genetic diversity and reduces in-breeding - very healthy thing to do, and well worth making the most of this built-in tendency!! Nothing to do with physiology, it's just that they find you exotic and respond to the way you handle them.  

Interracial sex actually makes it easier for a girl (or a guy come to that) because they can set aside their societal conditioning and do what they feel like instead of trying to be a good citizen.

It seems unlikely that 30% of the young women I was screwing all suffered from low testosterone levels. I have always wondered, though, if some of these girls weren't, unbeknownst to themselves, sexually attracted to women, and that I was attracted to women who possess strong masculine characters.

And I do think that Asian cultures have healthier attitudes towards sex then sin-obsessed western societies, and that this does play some part in conditioning attitudes towards sexual pleasure in some western women.

That's an interesting comment, and it's something I've never considered - that my being a foreigner might be a factor influencing the intensity with which Asian women experience sex with me. That then raises an obvious question: have the Chinese members of this forum had the same hit-or-miss experience with Chinese girls climaxing that I had with white chicks?

And the thing about interracial sex being easier for a girl is something that was very obvious in Japan. Japanese society can be very constricting for it's people - esp. women - and a sexual relationship with a foreigner can be very liberating. Once they no longer have to worry about appearance, Japanese girls are shameless.

That's really interesting.

I certainlly find Asian women incredibly exotic but often, when I point out a beautiful Asian girl to a local friend, he'll say she's nothing special or he may even find her unattractive, especially if her skin is brown.

For some reason, it never ocurred to me that Chinese girls might find white men 'exotic'. But local GFs often say how much they like my large hands and large western nose. But they say 'high nose' which sounds much better, haha. They even refer to me as tall, but at 5' 9'' I'm certainly not considered 'tall' back home and, among my sports friends, I was always one of the 'small guys'.

Agree it is a high %.  Needs more research

I was looking for the 'smiliey' in there but didn't see it.

So girls who don't enjoy sex with you are probably lesbians? Very enlightened attitude, not.

Me: I have always wondered, though, if some of these girls weren't, unbeknownst to themselves, sexually attracted to women, and that I was attracted to women who possess strong masculine characters.

You: So girls who don't enjoy sex with you are probably lesbians? Very enlightened attitude, not.

Lenny, is English your native language? You want to explain how you get from my statement to yours? Did I not say some of the three? And didn't I also say the reason might be because I was attracted to "women who possess strong masculine characters"? There were a lot of hints one of them might have been attracted to women that I wasn't experienced enough to pick up on at the time. The other, had only ever had orgasms with another girl, but she said that it was just an adolescent fling - now, thinking back on it, I'm not so sure.

Instead of just trying to score points, why don't you try to talk sense.