I just wanted to share with the community as it was an eye-opening experience.

A few months ago I was caught in an LE sting. I originally found the girl through WeChat's Nearby feature. She seemed like an independent latina and so we texted, arranged details and decided to meet the following week. Went to a hotel in Chinatown, waited and then got an SMS with what she was wearing. Girl walks up, we chat briefly (no mention of donations) and walk towards the hotel when I'm rushed by several LE.

End up getting taken to the precint, spend the night there and then charged with a misdemeanor for patronizing a prostitute. As a regular joe that's never been arrested, this is a very eye-opening experience with the thought of jailtime, being shamed in the news, losing my family, job, etc.

In the end the case was dismissed, but for sure I won't be mongering again any time soon. They're cracking down on things, especially with FOSTA and it's just not worth it.

With all the time, money, worry, that was spent, I could have easily flown to Hong Kong or Thailand where it's legal and had the time of my life.

Bro, you don't have to exchange donations to be charged.  just by asking how much is classed as soliciting.

The best strategy, do not discuss money and tell her to grab your LB.  If she is plainclothes cop, she will not do it.  Save you from the sting

If she offers services and you accept can you be charged? IE. Does the risk attach to the person making an offer or can you get in trouble by just responding?

Surely police have better things to do, what a waste of everyone's time and money!!!!!!  I have always been nervous punting in USA.  My worst experience punting ever was in Newport Beach, CA when I had a girl come to my room, after she was there a few minutes banging on door while the phone in my room was ringing - hotel told me to get out or they would call the cops - just terrible. [Actually probably the second worst on reflection, but still....]

Nycmale000, deep sympathy to you! . How did you explain the night in the cells?

I lived in USA for a bit more than 2 years,

First residence I lived in,  for few month,  not best neighborhood,
Once  a woman living in the same residence, older than me, as I was leaving asked me to detour and to  drive her, she told me to  stop in a smaller dark street, just few minutes drive away

She was a dope fiend, I didn't know that yet even though her face and crooked mouth could give an indication.

She ask me first why I was living there, a drug infested area, than she told me she really needed money, and she would even give me BJ in the car for 30 bucks.
I was not a punter yet and I would never have start with a neighbor and women looking like her.
I said,  no, i don't do that, but out of pity, I gave her 20, exactly when I was giving her money, on the sidewalk a man pass through and gave me a shaming stare I will not forget.

The situation was more funny to me than scary, but I alway thought what if instead it was a police car passing by witnessing that 'suspicious' exchange . Who knows what she was holding in her pockets, who knows if she wasn't known as a addict and hooker by LE..

yes, so I've learned that you don't even have to do anything or exchange any kind of money

I think you can get arrested and charged just by accepting or even agreeing to it (you don't even need to exchange any money)

said that I was drinking and got arrested for peeing in public without having my ID on me (which is actually a legit reason for arrest)

Hey Bro nycmale, have a few questions:

Do you still have the WC details?  If anything this may be considered entrapment.  

Where did the LE come from?  What were they were they wearing (like NYPD vests)?  

Where was the hotel?  There are only a handful of hotels in Chinatown and some are close to major intersections.

This can be a cautionary tale for all to be just to be on the lookout for undercover vans, cars and the like.

Thanks!
Bo' out

sorry to hear that.   why was the case thrown out if you dont mind me asking?   i live and monger in ny and this worries me.   i use to use the wechat nearby feature but its all scams nowadays.

PM me for the WC details

LE were plain clothes and came out of nowhere, believe they were hiding in an unmarked van.

It was near Pike and EBroadway

Doghead, my experiences in USA is that there a bunch of puritans that you run into from time to time there that want to tell everyone how to live - their way.  I was surprised the bastard didn't preach to me regarding my evil ways on the way out. Told me to "go to a Long Beach hotel if I wanted to engage in filthy conduct" - pompus asshole.

Blast77, it was an accurate assumption wasn't helped by her minder hanging around the front of the hotel attracting attention of reception apparently.

UncleSad, agreed but I figured I might get a bunch of butt hurt even if right.

Terrible night, all happened late one Sunday night back in 2007 or so.  Ended up staying in a flea pit hotel because I only had one Credit Card / no cash and couldn't explain an extra night's accommodation to my Nazi asshole boss at the time.  Anyway lesson learn, I always carry 3 credit cards now as well min of US1000 "as just in case I fuck up" money.

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I had a few awkward conversations with my boss about my hobby. He kind of figured out why I frequent Asian, esp. Thailand given its common knowledge I love Asian women. Bottom line is he believes sex trafficking is rampant and that most women are made to work as prostitutes against their will. Especially foreign women prostituting in the US and don't speak any English, he believe they aren't free, that most money they make do not go to them and they are tightly controlled and somewhat abused. This belief is not unique to him. Many people across the country share this understanding that much of the prostitution occurring is not simply two consenting adults.

That's right.  Cops are not allowed to touch you without you first soliciting.  For instance, WG always touch you first to make sure you are not a cop.  Likewise, if you ask the cop to touch you first and they don't, then don't even bring up the rest of the conversation and just walk away.  They can't do anything to you if you walk away.  Sorry to hear about your experience.

@porkchops

porkchops          12-7-2018 13:13          Karma          +2          I am confused, if the (real) WG touches me, how does that tell her I am not a cop?


Cops are not allowed to touch you period without you first soliciting information.  Cops who pretend to be WG can carry a conversation with you until the moment you were to solicit the said act in exchange for monetary reward, then the cop can slap hand cuffs on you.  For WG, if they think the client is a cop, the first thing they do is to ask the client to ask for a hug.  The act of physical contact nullify any subsequent charge.  Similarly, if you go in there as a client and you suspect the WG is a cop, you ask the said person to hug your first before asking for an exchange of act for money.  If the girl refuses to hug you, then you walk away without saying anything.  They cannot incriminate you if you don't solicit first.

@porkchops          13-7-2018 13:18          Karma          +4          Thanks for the explanation! So basically if there's some mutual physical contact before any verbal propositions, you'r ...

That's correct.  As long as there is physical contact between you and the cop first before verbal proposition, then you are in the clear (in America).  However, you need to be careful of initiating the physical contact.  If say you grab the female cop in the ass, that can be construed as assault, battery, or both (which may not be much better than a misdemeanor charge).  The best thing to do is ask the WG to give you a hug without saying anything else, and gauge her reaction.  Hope this helps.

In a city with so much serious crime your police force uses resources to try and catch johns? For what? Amazing.

Obe

This is exactly why I don't mess with that shit in the states. If it's not legal no thx. Chances are in your favor if you think about how many punters are able to evade the law versus the unlucky ones, but when you got places like HK, Thailand, hell even just across the borders to Canada/Mexico, it's so not worth it to do it in the states.

Also price is shit. Like $200USD for a low quality girl, at least $300-400 if you want anything decent. For that amount you can hit up 3 walks up in HK and still have money left for a good dinner.

Especially good to keep an eye out on those cheap flights to HK sometimes. Could be as low as like $600 round trip. Worth it just to punt lol.

Unfortunately, not too many people can just take off for a week to visit HK without raising suspicion.  Supposedly, punting is even more illegal in China that U.S. but it's way more common.  Likewise, australia, germany, UK are all better punting grounds than U.S..

There are Chinese tours that you can buy for about 450 to 800 USD round trip to China.  The prices

depends on when during the year.

You can find then in most Chinatown in Canada and the USA.  You go on a tour for a few days and you can stay in

China or HK afterwards.  My problem was I don't speak Mandarin very well and didn't understand

what the tour guides were saying most of the time.

Since your case was dismissed. there wasn't any fine or record I am assuming.  On the other hand,

you mentioned money ?  What money ?

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Since the case was dismissed there's no fine, but there is still a record that you were arrested and for what charges. Supposedly if your case has a favorable outcome (dismissed, not convicted, etc) your record is automatically sealed and is only visible by LE (i.e. it won't show up in a background check by an employer). However, in NY the records are never officially expunged (aka deleted), just sealed.

Spent money on a lawyer, didn't really trust the public attorney or myself to handle the situation correctly.