This might become a post reflecting more on the state of things than the girl.

Date & Time of Session:  March 2023
Location:  B2 Huai Khwang Premier Hotel (Multiple Apartments)

Name:  Can't Recall
Link:     https://fiwfans.com/sideline/406raem9wlb61to4s (Gone)
Agent:   Unknown
Nationality & Language: Thai, a little english.
Age:     22, and looked like she probably was.
Face:    Cute.  
Body:   Looked good without undressing as she sat on the edge of the bed.
Height: Regular, can't recall.
Skill:     Not tested.
Session Length:  Two minutes. I'll explain.

So, the I walked out of the first girl within the first couple minutes. We spoke breifly as I looked her over. She looked cute. I almost stayed. Luckily I went over the details with her, awkwardly asking if I could finish in her mouth. I'm glad I asked. She spoke a little english, but only enough to say 'no' to letting me bust in her mouth, or 'cracked lips' as it's translated on 'FIW'

The second attempt:
Name:  Can't Recall
Link:     https://fiwfans.com/sideline/406raeh6nlefme5ii
Agent:   Claims to be independent on the site *
Nationality & Language: Thai, a little english.
Age:     23?
Face:    4/5
Body:   3/5 Not like the pictures.
Height: 157 weight 47
Skill:     4/5
Service: 4/5
GFE:     Decent treatment.
Price & Session Length:  2000, 1h, 2 x
Repeat: No, only because her body didn't do it for me.

* I don't think she (or any of these girls) are independent. I'm starting to see a trend and it intruiges me to know more. If you start messaging around to those who repressent the FIWfans community; agents, you'll begin to notice something. Addresses, the locations are all within a few buildings throughout the city. Obviously there is something to this. If the rooms are to have enough sheets for changing clients by the hour, this must be known by the building management and cannot possibly be 'independent' in any way. For a girl to run as an 'independent', which is what I like and what i hope for, she would have to arrange these things on her own. If many girls in the buildnig are asking for 8 sets of towels...
You get what I mean.

I found through leaving the first room and quickly finding another (via my carefully curated database) that there were multiple girls in the same building, and this was often the case! Furthermore, they're not all under the same agents. Multiple agents use the same buildings! I found this quite interesting. To me, this speak to the level of organization within the indusry, here.

So, anyway, on with the story.

This second girl was much better -at least in service provided. She was a comfortable weight, but surely could not be only 23. Her tits were already saggy and well, not appealing to me. Am I just so lucky to have a hot wife that I can't find anyone to my standards to play with? I've seldom been impressed and I think I've stated this before.

We talked for a couple of minutes, not long. She was friendly and pleasant right away and polite in asking for the money up front, which seems to be customary, here. I generally don't like this, but I don't make it a problem. I made sure to confrim the details again, and we ironed out all the kinks. 1 hour, 2000 baht, not 2500 as she'd suggested, and nearly stuck to, saying "it's agency, and began to try to explain". I later realized, I think they'd made a mistake in their posting, which they later corrected, but at the time, I used this and she went with it. One hour, I can cum twice.

From here, She began to take off her clothes, very casually. I did the same. She suggested a shower together and did a mediocre job washing up, but made sure to liberally touch all the bits and even pay compliments. It was at this time that I looked her over and felt a little ripped off in the chest department. I'd wished they were firmer is all. Otherewise, she was fine.

I dried off and went to the bed and waited for her to come out. We talked for a few minutes and she found the right moment to start the bbbj. I enjoyed it, not long and

She ran off to the bathroom and came back in short. We chatted a bit about her routines and where she stays, which I also found interesting. When I was ready, we did it again. She made no complaints and put up a good effort in pleasing me with her mouth a second time.

Overall, she was great. She offered to fuck, but I just wanted to nut in her mouth again. And I did.

Thanks for the report. I replied using some of your quotes below, based on my own experiences and interests--don't take any of this personally, this is only one monger's opinion.

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I don't think she (or any of these girls) are independent.

The correct answer is: "nobody knows." There are agencies on fiwfans and some have a stable of sorts, and a personality. Others seem to be placeholders with no staff. Technicians change stables and some shift to "get the job yourself status" which also seems a catch-all for those who specialize in 3P, and katoeys. Also worth noting that many of these techs also have ads on various escort sites.

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Multiple agents use the same buildings!

Of course. This has many advantages: punters know where to go, any payments that need to be made are taken care of, and the arrangements are reasonably secure. I always say: "Don't bother feeling guilty because the staff may suspect why you're here, no my brother, they know why you're here!"

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Her tits were already saggy and well, not appealing to me...I've seldom been impressed and I think I've stated this before.

You have: you were similarly unimpressed with the girl-optics at Lolitas and Wood Bar in a previous post.

I always ask mongers: "What do you want, what are you looking for?" Sometimes there's an assumption that what's on offer is all there is, but this is Bangkok. There's a wide variety of experiences available. Thus my simple declarative question: What do you want?

If it's an attractive sex worker you seek, if looks are paramount, well that's fine. My advice: if seeking someone with some level of English and farang-friendly, cycle around the various strip clubs until you find The Look that works for you. If you want to chase the optics more like a local, swing around the high-end joints on Hwai Khwang like Maria, Poseidon, Black Caviar Club. Or the kapoo clubs. It's your wad, and your wad of baht.

You seem to have been able to function at both the BJ bar and in the fiwfans hotel despite the dissatisfaction with the ladies' look, and as you wrote:

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Not that anyone can be completely upset about getting a good blowjob

Indeed. At reasonable rates as well.

Again, I'm not trying to critique here, just giving a different perspective. The women cited here are Thai sex workers, not models--they aren't out to "rip people off" but are more likely supporting families and offspring upcountry. Tre are other sex workers in this town who more closely resemble models and those optics are priced higher because we prize beauty. You need to ask yourself: "What do I want (and what am I willing to pay for?")

JtB

Thanks for the field report. I've been a fairly frequent user of the freelancer websites for a while but never really active on this forum. Sharing some of my experiences if I may:

Re: how independent the ladies are-

I have actually met all 3 types: Ladies that are under an agency and state they are, Ladies that state they are independent but are under an agency and Ladies that are truly independent. I have had generally good experiences with truly independent ladies so far but unfortunately those covertly under an agency are becoming increasingly common. Generally the red flag for me is if the line ID begins with an @. Also, I am going to say that the independent ones are generally more popular (probably also why they don't need an agency)  and will likely take a while to respond.

Re: multiple agents (or independents) in the same location-

Totally agreed with JackTheBat. I have learnt that Ratchada 17 this is pretty much the incall Red Light District equivalent of Bangkok and almost everyone in the area operates out of 3 hotels. If you see another dude loitering around the lobby or the entrance, you probably have something in common. I have been to rooms of independents  with weeks worth of bottled water and towels. I'm quite sure the management knows... independent or not...

Re: Sheets-
Sorry to disappoint you my friend but I have never seen a lady change sheets after I am done and I tend to stay until the last minute that my clock runs out... So far i've always gotten clean, dry towels though.

pretty  value infor about line start with@，they are not independents

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I've been a fairly frequent user of the freelancer websites for a while

Glad to hear it! You clearly have some insight as well.

Why not write some reports and give us all some information on the scene? For starters, you're using more than just fiwfans.com? What other websites are useful?

Thanks in advance.

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Generally the red flag for me is if the line ID begins with an @

I'm not an expert on this but apparently this is a Premium ID and easy to get. If you want more functionality you need to pay but the basic one is free.

The @ID can be used to push various ads in various interfaces, but most girls/agencies just push out their basic info and a few photos. Which can be useful.

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Ratchada 17 this is pretty much the incall Red Light District equivalent of Bangkok and almost everyone in the area operates out of 3 hotels

It's a known area and traditional, as it's near the big soapies/clubs. There are more than three hotels though, I've been to five or six over the years.

Ratchada 17 is about 500 meters from Ratchadaphisek Road to 34 Inthamara Alley and has plenty of WGs in various hotels. It's also central relative to some other areas, but remember that Bangkok is massive. The clickable buttons on fiwfans show a number of districts, which typically have one or two known WG hotels.

There are many options in this town.

JtB

IME if u add them on line and immediately receive a message with their ad,
they are prolly using an agent

fiwfans.com is by far the one to go to right now. Some of us might have fond memories of sites like fanfinfin and offdek in their glory days  but those have now just become shadows of their former selves.

I guess for starters, one website i often use is sidelinethailand.com. This site doesn't have the full range that fiwfans has (i'm gonna say probably 90% similar) and isn't the place to look for reviews/reports as well. However, there are several agencies/ladies that I have found that are not on fiwfans. One point to note is that some of the older posters tend not to delete their posts here. Good thing is that there is a timestamp to the posts so if you see something that hasn't been updated in a year, don't get your hopes up.

One other website that I kind of like is tiger-clubsideline.com. This site has been in operations for ages and is one of the originals, at least for me. Huge site with plenty of reviews/reports. Range and depth is good as well. The downside is that it's not well organized and searching is a pain. A good resource if you have plenty of time.


True that but chances are they don't have a need to pay the premium for such a service. That having said, I have seen maybe one independent that had a line account with the @ (she still kept her main ID though) but that is in my experience very very rare. I guess she was really popular, so much that people were having problem adding her on line.


Agreed as well but it seems to me that Ratchada has the highest concentration of all. On almost my mongering trips, unless I am meeting someone somewhere else, i like to book  a room on Ratchada 17. In that way, I just shuttle between the floors without having to deal with traffic and weather. Even if there is someone in another hotel, it's only a 5-10 minute stroll away. Plus point is that the rooms are not that expensive in this area and plenty more ladies to try before I get bored, so it gives me the best bang for my buck overall.

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Originally posted by johnptony at 6-4-2023 10:31
On almost my mongering trips, unless I am meeting someone somewhere else, i like to book  a room on Ratchada 17.

My brother, you must tell us more about these odysseys.

Booking a hotel on the 17 is some advanced stuff, and recommended for those who don't live in BKK. Among other things the MRT station is close by, and the area has great eating options including mainland-style Chinese places where the staff don't necessarily speak Thai.

Watana Hotel has monthly deals including utilities, and Buddy Place has rooms by the month as well--I expect Maverick, Bangkok 68 etc offer similar arrangements. And yes you could hop between rooms.

If you wanna get local and snaky, the main street outside BP has some local karaoke/whatever places with those tacky rope-lights and women sitting outside at night. Thai-language skills will come in handy.

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one website i often use is sidelinethailand.com...several agencies/ladies that I have found that are not on fiwfans

I stopped checking it because, as you mentioned, they don't remove outdated ads. Things change quickly in the floating world, so this is a type of false advertising IMO. At least fiwfans is reasonably up-to-date.

offdek/finfin were useful, alas no more.

JtB

How do you navigate fiwfans if you dont speak Thai

It is very simple. Google Chrome and Microsoft Edge have an auto-translate feature that is good enough to navigate the site. You just need the Line app installed on your phone.
Go to fiwfans.com and select the person that you fancy. There are mainly women on that platform, but also Ladyboys (before and after operation) and a few men.
Click the Line link, and Line will connect you with an agent (most of the time it is an agent, not the provider themself). Then you just ask if the provider is available at the time you want and confirm your booking.
After that, just show up at the hotel, provide a photo to the agent that you have arrived and they will give you the room number or the provider will come down to pick you up from the lobby. Pay and have fun.
Afterwards write a review here.

The translation is sometimes "strange" because they do not write it straight forward in Thai. Just as a guide:
Crack/Break the face = COF
Crack/Break the mouth or split the lips = CIM
Crack/Break the Body = COB
Remove the milk groove = titfuck
Blowjob fresh = BBBJ
lick jimi, lick sister = daty
water = shot
Not fresh = need to use condom
not bottomless = no anal
Sandwich = Threesome (mainly ffm, but also mmf)
Swing job = Threesome (mmf)
size = condom size
no injections, no pearls, no mo = modified penis
snacks/pay for snacks = Take care of business / donation

Some of the providers can speak English, Chinese, Japanese, as well as other languages. Most agents can communicate in some form of English. Google translate can help you if they cannot communicate in English at all. A lot of providers and agents are business orientated, so they will try to facilitate you and also use a translator on their side.
This is a list of providers, that explicitly mention English in their profile https://fiwfans.com/search?detail=english

Agencies like TSG https://fiwfans.com/agency/tsgsideline,
Mamasan https://fiwfans.com/agency/mms,
Thai Model Club https://fiwfans.com/agency/TM_ThaiModelClub or
Madam 88888 https://fiwfans.com/agency/madam88888
can communicate with and are used to foreign customers.

https://fiwfans.com/agency/420Club 420 Club already lists the options in English, some other agencies do that as well.


WARNING: Never, ever transfer the full amount in advance. There are a lot of scams going on and many customers regularly fall for it. Sometimes you have to transfer a small amount to confirm the booking, as there are also "joke" bookings. But these transactions are usually 500 baht or less.[/quote]

Now that i've gotten past the intertia of writing my first post, will strive to make this a resolution for the year. Hopefully, something from my next trip, my friend.


Totally agreed. Watana Hotel is my default base of operations. Public transportation, amenities, food and entertainment within a stone's throw away.


Leaving the old ads aside (I honestly believe that they just forgot about the old posts), I still find that sidelinethailand might be the next most updated site and it does have a superior search function. I usually just sort by last updated and ignore the later posts. I have also found value in getting a second opinion for for photographs since the posters sometimes post different ones on different sites; I have on occassion found different or unmasked photographs for ladies that have their faces censored on fiwfans.

That having said, I always recommend checking the agencies' telegram groups and adding their line accounts - especially for ones with masked photos - as they do sometimes have different / unmasked photographs (e.g. BMM comes to mind here), to help you make a better decision. Life is too short for regrets my friends.


LOL. Love the directions!

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Great input, will be in town in May, was never sure if I should give it a FO, but with all the info and I definitely will try it