In the experience I had across different girls in different places, I feel that punting or mongering is not GFE. Also, 9 of 10 times you don't enjoy because girls are in for money, act without emotions and try to get money. And, if you are not dominant and clear with what you want to do, the girl would simply give you hand or oral job and try n go away. Do you also have same feeling?

I do not have the same feeling, but I do know exactly what you mean.

Until I started visiting very well reviewed girls, my experiences were often like yours. The real value of a site like this is that it makes it so easy to have really really good experiences almost every single time. That's what you get when you go to the girls with many great reviews.

Gherk

+1.

I find you can definitely increase your chances of GFE by being highly selective of your venue and WG of choice.  A little bit of luck can also never hurt.

Also, making a connection with your WG by being well-groomed, polite, and charming will often result in satisfactory GFE...but of course not always.

When I first started punting I couldn't understand in all the reports how Bros were able to get WG's numbers and get them to pose for photos.  Now, I'm not often refused a number and more often than not get them to pose for photos too.

Practice makes perfect.

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I would go further than my previous reply, and say probably 90% of walkup / hotel / sauna are not very GFE. Therefore, it is really worthwhile to be selective.

I think the odds are somewhat better with part-timers / bar-based pick-up girls / independents. However, that's partly because you spend a lot more time making your selection with those (having a drink, wechat schmoozing, and so on).

The bottom line is that there's nothing quite like a word of mouth recommendation.

Gherk

Since I only punt with bar girls and have never been to a walk up, HG, Sauna, KTV etc my view is very one sided but 90% of the time I get the GFE with the girls I go with but as ggherkin states I can easily spend 2,3,4 or more hours with the girl before deciding to take her back to the hotel.

What I read from HK-justlove's question is that GFE is a very important part of the punting experience for him. (for me too).

For many Bros it isn't.  Right?  They're after PSE with a hottie. Cool.

Bro Justlove, think how hard giving "convincing" GFE is to 5 or more guys a day?  Pretty fucking hard. There are some (well-reviewed) WU or HGs that do it. Read and go find them. But only a few of them.

Or.. Switch to freelancers. Like I did. (bargirls, online, whatever).

You spend more time, yes.  (which I enjoy in and of itself). More money too.   But you get to a comfort level that brings GFE so much more naturally.

And.., remember this... You get back what you put in.  Noone will give you much GFE if you aren'ttrying to give some BFE.  Treat her well, be sweet, compliment her, etc. Etc..  They're just girls, afterall. Treat them like girls (not Working Girls) and they begin to act like girls (not working girls).

It aint rocket science!

Visiting WG has actually helped me increase my charm.  Perhaps too much.  If you can be charming to a WG, you will get great service.  If you can't be charming, you will get ok service (most of the time).  I enjoy the challenge of getting GFE.  How to do it is a topicfor another thread and I'm sure Wander and DGS could teach a class at Harvard about it.

My point is... I agree with Wander and others.  You get out of it what you put in.  Follow some basic guidelines and your GFE will increase.  Now it's also possible that you have a mental block against GFE from a WG, simply because she is a WG.  In that case, nothing will help, except maybe bar pick-ups.

The problem I have developed is that I have become very good at turning on the charm quickly.  More than one civie date has commented how quickly or strongly I come on and asked if I had lots of experience.  So perhaps everything in moderation is the rule to follow.

I've had a similar issue with charm. On one occasion, a good friend of mine who sees a new civvie every few days (but never p4p) invited me over for lunch with him and his femme du jour. Afterward, he took me aside and told me the girl felt I was the type who would be unfaithful to my wife. I never came on to her at all, yet somehow, "the charm" came across too strong.

Since then, I've been more cautious in these situations. But being charming is fun, so it's hard!

Gherk

Hey guys, thanks for all your remarks. Appreciate input.

Btw, what exactly do you mean by charm? And, how does one practice it?

Also, does it apply to escorts?

Dictionary defines as the power or quality of giving delight or arousing admiration..  With girls (of any sort) it pretty much means the same thing.  It means being able to hold her attention, make her laugh, make her smile, make her feel good about herself, make her feel important and center of your attention, and make her enjoy her time with you.

There is no secret, one-size-fits-all answer.  Each and every girl is different.  You adjust your approach--on the fly--to each one.

That said, a few general pointers never hurt.  I've said it before, and I'll say it again--you need to be able to hold her eye-contact...you need to smile (and not in a creepy way)...nothing says "timid" like being unable to hold her eyes.  You need to be confident (but not in a cocky way)...establish confidence and everything else falls into place.  You need to be able to tease her (but in a kind manner, not in a mean way).  You need to compliment her (but not in an gratuitous way).  You need to...charm her.

Do it often enough, and the process is largely self-correcting.  Do it often enough, and even language barriers are not a hindrance.  

Will you fail.  Yes.  Often.  Win some, lose some.  Again and again.  And then one day it will click...the loss column dwindles and the win column accumulates.


Escorts are women first, escorts second.  So, yes, they respond to charm.  In fact, some Escorts are probably harder to charm than your average civilian.  They've seen and heard it all...day in and day out...tend to be more jaded as a result.  First rule of charming Escorts: Don't treat them like Escorts.  

Good luck.

If the girl comments on it, the response I use is to say something to the effect of "You've been meeting the wrong kind of guys," or "there's just something about you."  But yes, most women are not used to focused attention.  They like it, but then worry that you do that for everyone.  If they don't accept my explaination then they label me a "player," and it takes a long time to break that perception.

One thing I like to do is when at dinner or in a crowded place talking, maintain eye contact and don't glance at other women walking by.  You can still see them in your periphery, but women notice if you look away while talking to them.

Also, smile at randome times, and when they ask "what?" tell them you are happy.  They hopefully will say they are happy too, and then you're golden.

Being charming with a bargirl is so much easier that with a civvie, so that when a friendship does develop things move way faster.

I think a lot of times bargirls like what we like - a short fling with someone they're into - and then it ends.  Yes, you stay in touch online but in your heads you both have moved on.

It's sort of like life on hyperdrive.

But back to the OP's point - yes if you only have a 45 min appointment it is hard to create a relationship.  But travel to places where overnighters are affordable, and you repeat over and over again - you won't find any issue in finding GFE.  In fact you'll be caught right up in the puppy love tears and drama.

What ???!!!  Why so complicate?

I thought when the gal suck my cock, that;s GFE.

It's easy to confuse charm with sleaze.  

I like a girl who is new in industry. The feeling like the first sex with the first love