This is just a comment on personal styles.  I met a guy in the hotel where i normally stay.  Now where i go there are not very many English speakers so when I saw him at breakfast we just started talking.  About China girls of course!  

He says he will not pay for sex and never has, but---he bought an apartment for a girl, jewelry, living money, and she took his car when she left him.  My statement to him was "you paid for sex one way or the other".

Now for what I consider weird!  His idea is if a China girl says no it usually means yes, personally, I say no is no!  And he feels that a girl working in a KTV is degrading herself.  I thought it was just talk but took him to a KTV anyway, he wouldn't drink, wouldn't take a girl even to sit, black face all night, and generally spoiled the evening.  My mistake and it will never happen again.

My feeling is he doesn't understand the culture and the attitudes that go with them.  Oh well, live and learn!

His attitude is not strange at all, his attitude is similar to many friends of mine in Asia and North America. It is too bad you didn't realize it earlier and tried to 'change' his attitude with a visit to the KTV because now he thinks you are a 'perv', a 'degrader of women', etc and will forever judge any women you are friends with.

As for me, I manage to maintain friends with those who have the same attitude because I haven't taken them to ktvs, spas, crazy wanchai/macau night clubs and confirm to them I am of the same attitude as you are. Once I hear their serious tone of voice that they do not pay for women, I immediately change the topic to sports and hope he has forgotten I even mentioned the previous topic of paid women.

Believe me, it takes an awful lot of time and testing to find a good wingman who has the same attitude.

there are so many clueless men who's single achievement in their life is to tell others that they've never had to pay for sex in their lives ...

luckily, there are none in this forum ...


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just my personnel observation ... I believe western men likes to brag about not paying for sex while the Chinese would like to brag about how much they have paid for sex

[ Last edited by  twiceAweek at 31-12-2015 12:13 ]

I have three wingmen and I found all of them on this forum.
I find I never have issues going out with them and now I dont bother introducing other friends to this hobby.

I am not ashamed of paying money for sex with a WG.
Some of my closest friends would not approve of my lifestyle.

Obe

Between feminazis and the religious nuts, and the PC academics that try to shape thought in the school system and then the media, there's no wonder that most guys have drunk the kool aid.

I find wingmen by first testing them on their reaction to some politically incorrect ideology, and then a few hooker jokes...

But that guy may have painted himself into a corner with his words.  You thought it was 'just talk' and took him to the KTV anyway - why did he even go?

I don't really get it either. Met this one guy IRL who lives in HK. He was divorced with kids. Did all the things he was supposed to. Then his wife cheats on him and that's that.

The good part about this story is that he was able to get 4 girlfriends - at the same time. He managed to keep 3 after sitting them all down and telling them the truth. The fourth left, but he's living with a clear conscience and 3 women who don't mind if he's getting his fill from one of the others.

I'm sure he's paying for sex in his own way (girlfriends aren't free no matter how much they love you), but that to me is kind of the ideal. He's not chained to any single one of them, and no single one of them will demand he give her everything. It's like diversification of stocks

I am happy to see the comments this brought!  Yes I probably screwed up bringing him, but in retrospect, I learned something about him also and his "hang up's".  Now I do admit that I only punt when there is an ocean between me and my home base, and never ever punt in the USA.  Reading some of the posts on this and other forums, having someone mention that "her needles marks are not too apparent", is a real turn off.

Now perhaps I should mention that he has (or had) a girlfriend that "only served drinks" in a KTV.  Rather naive on his part, although remotely possible.  What I have found out with my limited experience is that the environment in a KTV lends itself to a SEX for sale atmosphere, and if the chemistry, and the price is right, only very very few won't "go out", or even perform in the KTV or ST room.  Yes, certain girls go to work in the KTV with plan that they will only sit, or DJ, but when the money is tight and they see that a "go out girl" is making 1200 to 2000 RMB per night versus their 200 to 400 RMB, the temptation must be tremendous!!

Anyway----HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!!!!

She "only served drinks" in a KTV....

Well, that would explain why he would be extremely moody there. It's like confirming to him that his gf/ex was getting busy with other guys. He must have felt like a complete fool for not realising sooner.

Oh and happy new year. Not here just yet, but whatever.

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interesting thread.  yeah everyone has a friend like that or know someone like that who are morally opposed to "paying" for sex.  i use to be like you too in trying to convert them.  some i have succeeded some i haven't.  its like i know you're a pervert, stop pretending you're not.  anyways like you say, you pay for it one way or another.

I have some friends, lucky very small amount, in usa that refuses to go to ktv or wg.  IMHO it is the culture and friends that will lead you to that path.  it could also the way they were raised in the family with strict rules and morals.  I'm blessed to know my friends.

happy new year and happy puntings.

I've never been one to try and convert anyone. In my business, the moral aspect of our hobby isn't the issue, it is the legality that causes a bit of discomfort.

Knowing this, I have never once spoken of my hobby outside my board personas. Until a few years ago I always quietly punted by myself with no thought of having a wingman.

I was lucky enough to get the chance to connect with Ggherkin. We had a great time lying around the saunas in Macau. It was a totally new experience having a mate nearby to discuss our activities in person. Since that first IRL meet, I've had the chance to meet up with a fair number of members from this board and the Addicts boards in BKK and Pattaya.

All members have been friendly, professional, and great to talk and hang out with on the hunt.

So I would encourage if you want to find a like-minded mate for punting, look no further than your fellow board members here on 141.

J

[ Last edited by  jake.houston at 1-1-2016 10:58 ]

Funny thing about life, it is the guys who are less likely to waive from their steadfast beliefs or morals. Like I wrote above, I would never try to change a guy who has the 'I don't pay for girls' attitude because his belief is rooted something beyond religion I suspect.

But...when it comes to girls who have a strict upbringing with or without religion and wish to hold sex until marriage or only engage in vanilla sex in a dark bedroom, I take it as a personal challenge to see whether or not I can get these girls to willingly (ideally begging) to engage in premarital sex or more adventurous with me. I have enough experience with women to know what they uphold dearly in a self-righteous manner will be willingly dropped with a loud thud when facing great emotional connection.

For example, I know women who divorced their men because their husbands had mistresses or other gfs while they were married, yet...these same women do not suffer from cognitive dissonance when they sleep with men who have SOs. To me as a guy, this is a major 'the pot calling the kettle black' dissonance...these women now are the 3rd party (mistress/gf) of committed men with SO.

And that is why some say a stable, civil society is so dependent on strong men with their steadfast beliefs, not on the women who will drop everything for that emotional connection.


Thankfully I don't let the obvious contradictions bother me...I am on this forum, right? Religious girls are the best!

I don't agree. I think they are being totally consistent in their actions. When it is their man that is cheating, they leave because they only see him as the problem. When they are the third party, to them, it is the man that is compromising, not them.

Their issue rests in both cases with the perspective that it is the man who is the problem in each situation. I would call it self-justification.

J

whether the WG is degraded or not, is not up to the man to decide.
it's the WG her own thinking that is important.

some may say WGs earn easy money.
but I dun think it is easy.
they may make a lot of money, but they go thru hell to get the money.

working as a waitress is easier?
or a KTV girl who has to get drunk every night, worried abt STD, no "civilian" friends, and have to suck the dicks of fat old smelly strangers?
i think being a KTV girl is not easy.
not to mention sauna girls, who shower more times in 1 year than most people in 10 years.

some WGs are single parent, have to bring up their child, father, mother, grandparents.
these smart WGs use their body and brains to make as much money as possible in the shortest time.
then they start a new life, a happier life.

dumb WGs only use their body, earn 500k a year, spend 499k a year.
they will live their life forever as a WG.

i know many happily-ever-after ex-WGs who are now married with kids, have their own houses in hometown.
i certainly dun think they are "degraded" women.
they become confident, seen-the-world, street-smart women, who are more appreciative of life.

u give me $1000 to DATY an old woman, i can't do it.
i rather starve.
some WGs (not all) deserves respect, they can bear to do things that not everyone can.

The moderator says this very well.  

The WG's I know well consider it a job or their chosen line of work.  The smart ones know that they can't do it forever and either save money, or one I know bought a very nice apartment.  Unfortunately the easy money, (relatively speaking), will get to many of them and the designer bags and clothes, iPhones, watches, jewelry (unless they can get a punter to buy it for them), high priced cosmetics, perfume, etc, etc, will eat up much of the money they make and what they end up with is a worn out pussy, bad liver, possible STD's, other health problems, and no longer being chosen (we all look at the young ones first), for the "work" they have given their health and looks for.