I just wrote half a long report on my PC before the tab locked up and crashed

Went to bed and started rewriting the same report on my tablet, and the bastard thing just Force Closed

No reports tonight, dudes

Good night

You could draft your report in writing. Take a snap shot of it and then post the picture. It will be a first in the forum.

get a Mac mate... I haven't turned my Mac Book Air off in more than 6 months... I don't remember actually... let alone have it crash on me.

Yea have only had a mac crash on me once in four years, definitely way better than windows and pc

I lost count of how many times my previous windows have crashed and lost my hard drive

As I have used Windows based software ever since MSDOS, I always write reports in some sort of text file application.  I use Notepad mostly now.  Writing the report is no problem in Notepad, but I find that once you use the web browser, it is very easy to crash.  write in a document, save, then copy and paste into the web browser to post it.  It's just an extra step, but it saves you typing out the report again.

my iPad is crashing on me several times a week ... sometimes several times in a day ...

the difference?

there's NOTHING I can do to diagnose the cause or improve the situation
All that after being made to pay $1500 to replace it when the battery life dropped to half in only 1 year of use
It's fucked (and I don't mean the nice way!)

Now, if you like Mac, that's fine, you can live with the compromises
but don't go imagining that 80% of the market must somehow be wrong, and you're the only one gifted with the insight into value in IT products

???

It's an iPad not a Samsung Tablet right? BTW, iPad has about 75% of the Tablet market...

seriously though Dart, that is extraordinarily rare. Assuming it's not jailbroken??? because non Apple approved Apps can cause the same issues as some of the Android Apps. Have you done a total "restore" via iTunes? That will usually sort it out for you.

In terms of battery life, my Mac Book Air gives me about 5 - 7 hours off a full charge. Depends what I am doing. Not sure about iPads but I doubt they offer that much even out of the box?

Yeah Apples do crash, but I crash my mac book pro only 1/10 the time I crash my PC at work. I'm really hard on my computers with lots of big apps going at once. Just by going back last years version of Flash fixed most those rare macbook pro problems and the browser problems on my PC as well.

BTW DArtagnan, if your browser is crashing your PC better do the same thing with flash and go back to an old version.

Twice the price; half the features.  More stable?  Yes, certainly.  But that's the only benefit.  They are so simple I think of them as the Fisher Price of technology.  Built for the under-5 wannabe hipster crowd:  Easy, simple, unbreakable; but feature-less and very expensive for what you get.  (hehe, I KNOW I am being overly nasty here.. hehe... just winding ya'll up!!).  To continue..

Hell, all Macs combined have less than 5% market share.  Go figure.

And, can it be???, IOS for phones is no longer even close to dominating the smart-phone market.  Android is destroying it (as of Q1 2013: 74% share Andriod, 18.5% IOS). !! (holy shit... they got trounced!) The war seems to be over now, and Google/Samsung won...  just like the PC versus Mac battle (when PC won because Apple refused to play nice and open their system); so too, it seems, Apple will lose with the iPhone - and for exactly the same reason -- they refuse to play nice and open their system.  I wonder if they will continue to follow the same path and drive themselves headlong into bankruptcy like they did the last time (until Microsoft stepped in and gave Apple a $150million cash infusion to stay alive.  Anyone else remember that wickedly ironic moment??).

Anyhooo....  I sorta rambled there.  Apple always annoyed me.... guess it shows... hehe.

Apple does make 72% of smartphone profits compared to 29% for Samsung.

check the math... doesnt quite add up Bro...


I thought you were a BB Man...

Samsung definitely winning the volume battle in terms of shipping product to retailers but in terms of actual use, web browsing etc the actual gap is nothing like that. e.g..

more than .90c from every dollar spent on ANY Apps using ANY platform is spent in the iTunes store...

better stability, less security problems, less virus' issues and lots of Apps that don't share your personal info with 3rd parties without your knowledge appeals to me.

I actually like simplicity. I have lots of PC friends who tell me Apple make computers for dummies... I guess if I was a computer tech I would want to feel like I am "driving" my computer but I'm not a computer tech and don't really care at all as long as my computer works. Sure I don't know how to "re build the mother board" on my Macbook but honestly I could care less about it as long as it works...

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with being tech savvy... if you use a PC you NEED to be... LOL

I dont mind admitting I drive an automatic car either.

[ Last edited by  TonyToro at 17-5-2013 12:44 ]

You are not wrong, TT.

But, my view overall?  The massive shift in industry profits on smartphones and iTunes (where Apple leads massively) is just underway... their market-share is now in decline quarter over quarter.  Samsung's and Microsoft's is growing quarter after quarter (man, Microsoft's share has exploded recently).  The Profits are now beginning to shift as well.  

Apple peaked.  

(and yes, I have been a blackberry man for years.. but I dont hold much faith that they will survive, even if their new phones are pretty damn good.  Too little, too late, methinks).

I think the new phone battle for the top 2-3 spots will be between Samsung, HTC, WindowsPhone, Nokia --- all based on either Android or WindowsPhoneOS.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timw ... ascinating-numbers/

They have over 100% of the profits because the others are losing money according to the article.

just want to point out your emotional bias in your decision-making ... you have no idea how common it is for Apple products to crash because of the lengths Apple go to, to protect their image ... of course I don't know either, because they hide the information from me too, I'm just saying what I see ... and what I saw was the extraordinary lengths the Apple store went to protect their image, while handing me their big invoices ...

I was actually delighted with my iPad out of the box - I got 10 hour battery life.  The convenience was literally life-changing.  I especially remember one flight with a long layover, where I used the full 10 hours in one go, and I appreciated it very much.
Unfortunately that lasted about 6 months.   
And the replacement they sold me at an exorbitant price has never achieved 10 hours.  

Key point is 10 hours was very much in the initial marketing of the iPad - I mean the iPad 1, not the subsequent models.  
There was some mention of "the same battery life as the iPad 2" in the pre-launch marketing of The New iPad (when it actually was new that is) - but as you say, they don't make a claim, so we can't compare to alternatives ...

And it's not jailbroken
It has been through a "complete" restore - which is of course not complete because the backup fails to record the user-level setup.  

BTW if I want to make a complete backup of my PC I can do so, right down to image level where it comes back identical to how it was when I backed it up ... Apple doesn't allow me to do that even if I want to.  Not even their so-called "genius" techs are able to do it.  Point is they are very helpful, clearly knowledgeable, but even they don't have the tools and access rights to do a straightforward function.  

None of this is "cool" - and, since I am a PC guy I simply don't care about cool! - but it's unbelievably irritating to hear Mac fan-boys like you evangelising Mac strengths while refusing to acknowledge the very real weaknesses of Apple products.  

I really don't mind that you like your Mac products.  As you point out, you have a different set of priorities and are comfortable with the compromises you have to make to get the things you want.  

Heck, I don't even mind you trying to convert me ....

... JUST STOP TRYING TO CONVERT ME WITH TRANSPARENTLY BIASED ARGUMENTS!!!  

I mean, like this one:


since then was THAT a reason for choosing a product???  
And don't get me started on browsing ... sheesh, that's another rant even longer than this one

I use Android products because - with some exceptions that I use my iPad for - the Apps I want to use are much more functional and flexible in their Android versions than in their Apple versions.  

Which is of course exactly the same argument YOU are using: that the products you choose are the ones that give you the compromises you like to have.  Yup, so do I and all the other non-Mac users.   



Buying Mac does NOT make you smarter, nor does it mean everyone else is dumb, or uninformed, or using their equipment illegally (by jailbreaking it) or incorrectly (by not using iTunes to try to fix the problem).  

Mmmmmmm, I feel your rage! Hehe.   

But calm down.  The market is slowly aligning once again.  The "Marketing Buzz" of Apple is in decline.   An open market where Samsung, HTC, Nokia, Microsoft, Apple, and many others fight it out month after month is now here.  

And, for those that just don't like the way Apple does business, like me, you'll be happily surprised watching them lose market share month after month after month. Enjoy it.   

I've seen this movie before.  (Mac vs PC). The Sequel.

I think you should add DArt "more functional and flexible" for you.

The perception that there are 2 types of people... "Mac Fan-Boys" and people who base their buying decisions on what really is best rather than what looks best etc etc etc is wrong. So if... and I stress "if" you have THAT perception I 100% disagree. If you don't then great, lets continue a good discussion.

There are Samsung Fan-Boys, PC Fan-Boys etc as well... all of whom are prepared to overlook issues with products they own for the sake of brand loyalty just like the so called Mac Fan-Boys do. There are people who buy Macs just because they do a better job... "for them". Then there is the graphic design and image creation industry that is almost exclusively Mac because Macs are better suited to that line of work.

Personally my reason for using Apple is the first smartfone I got was an iPhone and I am very familiar and comfortable with the OS. It makes sense to me. I have tried a few Android Phones (Samsung) and they irritate me, the OS is not as simple or logical. Now... I want to make it clear that I AM SURE THAT IS MORE BECAUSE I AM USED TO THE iOS than anything else so no big deal.

I like Apple products because they just work. My phone syncs perfectly with my Mac Book with my iMac. Calendar, address book, photos, music, video, email everything just works and it never crashes. I make an appointment while I am out, put it into my phone and my schedule in all my devices plus my PA is updated as well. It's simple and it allows me to concentrate on things that make me money.

Now I realise there is no such thing as "never" and Macs do crash and occasionally get security issues. But surely no one would dare say a Mac has the crashing problems virus issues of a PC... that would be a ridiculous thing to say.


What I am referring to here, to put this comment back into context is that the sales figures of Samsung hardware which have been referred to in this thread, do not necessarily reflect that Samsung products are better. They simply reflect that more Samsung phones are being shipped to retailers. Samsung phones are cheaper, Samsung do a lot of 2 for 1 deals, Samsung subsidise a lot of free upgrade deals, Samsung use Android which has been embraced in China for example because of it's open use system especially when sourcing Apps etc.

In other words, it is easy to be No.1 in terms of volume when you are prepared to make a lot less money grabbing market share.

It's not a reason to buy a product just as Samsung selling more units is not a reason.

I totally agree that buying Mac, Samsung, HTC, LG whatever doesn't make one smarter. I don't think I implied that?


I dont think it is a case of realignment. After all, it is Apple who originally defined the smartfone market we have today. I think it is more a case of healthy competition. No longer does Apple have the Smartfone market on it's own. There are too many other good alternatives available now. That is what has diluted the Apple dominance. Big crunch comes with iPhone 5S update. Samsung have put Apple in a position where the next iPhone needs to be as Amazing as the first iPhone was at the time.

Good for consumers right? I think so.

[ Last edited by  TonyToro at 19-5-2013 19:18 ]

I admit I was trolling.  Apple's love-in relationship with the press and the apple-fanatics always annoyed me.  I cannt help but be an anti-fanboy with them.

But I'm done.  I'll play nice again.  Hehe.

Now you're being rational   

Much more constructive than your #7

but I simply can't connect the dots on your argument about iTunes $$ ... all it says to me is that mac customers spend a lot more money on software per head on average ...

I DO admire Apple's marketing machine - truly impressive.  The $ they get for the stuff they put together is in a class of its own, proving that branding adds perceived value much faster than features or technological advances do.  But when a mac customer starts to make exaggerated claims of performance or reliability or begins to put down users of Android (or even Windows come to that) I get hot under the collar!  

Uninformed people get sucked in by that kind of hubris

it's another way to look at a common argument:

"Samsung is outselling Apple". No doubt they are shipping more volume, and I believe the sell through of Samsung is higher as well these days. That of itself is very marketing related with low pricing, free upgrades and 2 for one offers being common. The assumption that it automatically makes Samsung better than Apple is wrong. It just means there are more people prepared to get a free or cheaper phone. No real surprise... Android users often state the big advantage with their system is flexibility with sourcing Apps. Android Apps are "more this or more that..."

However the fact that a substantial part of the smartfone market is not only prepared to "limit themselves" to the iTunes store but prepared to pay for a lot of Apps that Android users claim they can get for free suggests the reality of this perceived "advantage" is quite different.

Similarly, Apple's share of the amount of web browsing done on smartfones far exceeds the proportion of Apple's share of the smartfone market.

One way to look at the iTunes store sales figures is simplistically... iPhone users buy more Apps. One way to look at the sales figures is also simplistically... Samsung sell more phones. Another way to interpret those same figures though, when armed with a little more info, is that it seems iPhone's get more use.

Maybe the "compromises" are over stated? I think so...

But like I said, we consumers are the real winners because Android's growth has been healthy for the Smartfone market pushing Apple and Blackberry.

On the other hand, I will die still believing Mac computers are more reliable than PCs...

Although, I guess I am lucky in that I have NEVER had a virus, my computer never crashes, and I don't know anything I want to achieve I can't achieve.