Police getting free sex, prostitute survey claims
Activist group accuses undercover officers of enjoying full services before making arrests
Adrian Wan
Aug 14, 2011
scmp.com

Undercover police had sex with prostitutes and free massages before arresting the women involved, a survey of sex workers has found/

There were 34 cases of violence and abuse by police officers in the three months to the end of June, far exceeding the number of cases involving other clients, said the sex workers' rights group Zi Teng, which conducted the survey.

The group said it was infuriated by the results, gathered through interviews with prostitutes and masseuses in Sham Shui Po and Yau Ma Tei, where the sex trade is most active. In five cases, undercover police received free massages, and four others received free sexual services.

Other forms of abuse included repeated or "excessive" licence checks and premises inspections, women being forced to sign testimonies they did not understand because of a language barrier, and the destruction of evidence, including "no sex" signs, which women could have used to defend themselves against a charge of running a vice establishment.

There was also a case of arbitrary arrest, caused by personal animosity between the woman and the police officer, said Betty Shao Limin, who works for the group.

The survey, the first of its kind, was published in the group's newsletter. New figures will be released every three months, group founder Yim Yue-lin said.

"The police seem to think they have special power. They receive their service or arrest them whenever they please," Yim said.

"The reasonable way for the police to do their job is to stop receiving the service once it has clearly begun, but all reported cases showed that they did not reveal their identity until after the entire service had ended," Yim said. "It's a disgrace."

A police spokesman said undercover policemen worked to a strict set of guidelines. For example, during the course of their duty they could receive masturbation from a prostitute, but not any sexual service beyond that. The officers work under the direction of deputy regional commanders or senior superintendents.

The spokesman had no comment on why masturbation was allowed and why the line was drawn there.

Prostitution is legal in Hong Kong, but most activities connected to it are not. Performing massages outside licensed parlours is illegal.

Haha getting all the benefits and pleasure.

Man imagine getting paid for your job to have sex with HK's WGs. Dream Job. That even beats the 141 photographers job!

i don't know what cops in hk make, but i'm pretty sure it's pretty lousy (as all public sector jobs are).

yeah, they can do whatever they want with WGs for free, but anyone with any education wouldn't
envy them.

I don't know where you are from, but the HK Police force is paid well enough for all of them to lead a comfortable middle-class lifestyle. I know many college-educated people who joined the police force because of its good pay and benefits.

Err... I think that I want to give a bit of balance to this discussion!!

OK - I'm NOT usually one to submit to authority just coz its authority - but when such authority does do their job well and properly, I do think it unfair when nobody challenges those who cast aspersions on them. (whether with or without malice, thought out properly/not, in jest/not etc - and NO, I'm not meaning to flame anyone!).   And BTW - YES, I AM proud to be a Hong Kong citizen!

First i must point out that IMHO, Ziteng is very much a "fringe" organization who does NOT truly represent the "trade" in  Hong Kong; rather, they are a relatively small bunch of older LOCAL WG's who really just cannot compete with the majority of gals here who comes from the PRC and other parts of the world.  Oh sure, some of their causes are OK/noble enough - but their tactics as well as presumptive actions as if they are acting on behalf of ALL WG's in Hong Kong is not only laughable, they are actually designed to be quite detrimental for their "competitors."  I've expounded on this matter on "Should we be supporting Zi Teng & IUSW? I'd say so. What do you think?" - http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... &extra=page%3D2

Going back to the Hong Kong police, for the longest time they were known as "Asia's finest" and IMHO, I'd even say that they truly are - "The World's finest." Polite, professional and balanced, most Police criticism these days only centers upon their supposed "Political Bias" - very rarely on their regular policing work!  They are comparatively very well paid in Hong Kong and are very well aware that Corruption of any sort is not only a sure way to huge problems (as our Independent Commission Against Corruption does have sharp and powerful teeth!), but is quite frowned upon by the community as a whole.

And this nonsense that Ziteng put out that some of our policemen needs to resort to such under-handed and cheap tactics to get sex is not only offensive, it is actually quite laughable - given the fact that sex services in Hong Kong is so affordable for every one.

Just IMHO of course

SEAN

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 18-1-2012 17:38 ]

Google'd HKPD salary and this is what I found, http://www.police.gov.hk/ppp_en/15_recruit/salary.html

Its not a lot of money but it offers job security as well as a decent living.

They might make enough to afford WGs but that doesn't beat free

Not sure where you get your facts from, SEAj.  About the police or Ziteng.  I have several mates on the force - good guys, and indeed my impression of the state of HK policing is VERY positive.  A good force.

But corruption is common (hence the need for a strong anti-corruption task force) and indeed a bunch of cops were just busted a few months ago for RUNNING brothels!  Abuse of power with WGs is common the world-over and HK is no exception.

Regarding Ziteng - Ummm, manyu, many lobby groups,  support groups or NGOs are formed or staffed by former members of its particular industry.  They are the ones who care about it and aware of its problems and possible solutions.  Your statement that they're just "old WGs" is beside the point:  OF COURSE they are.  Who else has jumped in?  It doesn't mean that they cannot do good for fellow WGs.

I don't really follow ziteng, but my one experience (when Rose got beaten) was very positive,and I am very much for any help they might bring WGs.  I gotta say, I dislike your total negation and bias against them - without actually adding facts about the "harm" you keep saying they bring to the industry, to us Bros, or to the gals.  

So, if you have some FACTS on why ziteng is such a bad thing for the gals, please state them.  Otherwise, stop being so harsh on an organization that, from what I read, is at least trying to better the lives of the girls we see.

[ Last edited by  wander at 19-1-2012 12:14 ]

If you recall, I think it was I who turned you on to Ziteng when your Rose got beaten up - right?  And if you noticed, I did state "...Oh sure, some of their causes are OK/noble enough ..." - so I'm NOT totally against them for some of the things they're trying to achieve for "the trade."

Its when they start going on about legalizing and having the authorities regulate the trade more - under the guise that WG's needs more protection - that their supposed "aims" goes against my interest as a punter.  Let's face the facts - most WG's operating in Hong Kong are already "protected" - not by the legal authorities, not by any legislation - but by forces (to put it mildly) that are way more effective in protecting these workers than ANY LE agency can perform.  That is the facts in Hong Kong and in many other places.  Is it it perfect? No. Is it ideal? Of course not - but its a sight better than ANY legal and above board authorities can even hope to achieve.

And the only reason why they're rallying for such wider legal authorities to prevail is that they KNOW that such enforcement will involve the removal - or at least curtailment - of the supply of FOREIGN competitors. Oh sure, there are benefits as far the protection of WG's are concerned - but to me as a punter - it will just serve to decrease supply, drive up prices and curtail my hobby.

You talk about "facts" - well what are the "facts" you can supply to buttress your stance that Ziteng is ALL GOOD and their work will ONLY benefit us mongers?

Let them distribute posters, condoms, safe sex education; let them lecture other local old timers about how to protect themselves (mainly as they've become so unproductive in their chosen profession that the "forces" who HAD in the past offered them protection has now figured that to still offer them protection would be a waste of their own resources) - I say let them even continue to organize rallies (usually attended by the same tired old dozen faces over and over again) - just don't go around trying to to appeal to the moral majority to work to change the laws in Hong Kong to ONLY favour themselves.

That....is the "facts" as I see it.  And as "prolific" as your hobby is - I'd suggest that you really think again about your blind devotion to Ziteng;  Be careful, be very careful with what you wish for!!

SEAN
Ps edit
And I take really great exception to your contention that the Hong Kong Police force is rife with corruption. Sure, corruption and rogue policemen exists around the world - but the difference in Hong Kong is that such wrong doings are usually very quickly rooted out and eliminated instead of allowing it to fester and become institutionalized like how it is in a LOT of other countries.  We had such a problem in the 1970's, tackled it and are now AS A COMMUNITY vehemently against it - thus  corruption is never the festering sore that it is elsewhere.

Yes, "...Abuse of power with WGs is common the world-over.."  but to further state that "...HK is no exception...." is to me laughable. The kind of supposed "abuse" that they're shrieking about - what, getting a HJ? Could anybody in their right mind really think that this is such a gargantuan benefit to the cop getting it?? Look-it - how much does a HJ cost in Hong Kong?? How available is it just about anywhere?  Do you really think that a cop would risk his career AND reputation within the community just to get a free hand job? LMAO!

Pps edit
"...manyu, many lobby groups,  support groups or NGOs are formed or staffed by former members of its particular industry. .."  What are you talking about? What is manyu? What other lobby groups? Support groups? WHAT ... are you talkin' bout?

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 19-1-2012 14:09 ]

Your arguments always seem to go too far.

I said I don't really follow ziteng (so have no facts) -  but used them once and they were good and useful.  You follow up saying I have "blind devotion" and believe they are ALL GOOD.  I did not say that nor offer blind devotion to anything.  (Except my dick).  Such twisting of words just makes me want to abandon the debate.   Like arguing with a Creationist whose defending his bible - pointless.

And again - your "facts" were merely opinion or conjecture.  Since that one time your referred ziteng your subsequent posts have been extremely negative towards them - (don't make me search and quote you, alright?).  So I asked for your facts about their harm.  You respond by saying organized criminal gangs are a better solution than a supportive legal infrastructure.   Huh?  And you say such in the same post as bragging about the unbreachable moral character of Hong Kong's police and community.  Man, talk about arguing both sides

PS: I am not sure what you do, but if a policeman came to your office and forced you to provide your product or service for free, or be arrested/harassed, you wouldn't be terribly happy would you?  Yet you seem to have no issue with them doing the same shit to WGs.  I disagree.

[ Last edited by  wander at 19-1-2012 14:59 ]

Woo Hoooo….!!!
Off-line just a few hours and I get to come back to a REAL TREAT!!
Wooo Hooo!

Wander Wander Wander – take it easy bro…it’s only a sex board…and its only a debate…not an argument!!
And I’d really agree if you had written “OUR” instead of “YOUR”
LMAO!!


Used them ONCE (!!!)  and then just about every time that you come on about Ziteng its always in their  defense…and even praise!!
Errr…if THAT ain’t “BLIND DEVOTION,” then …errr… I really don’t know what is!   

And WOT!!!
I is the Sweet Swede, why even ANY references to my supposedly bible thumping ways?
Or ANY PERSONAL traits?
Why you do that?
Cain’t you just stick to a debate per se?

And about abandoning the debate – maybe you’re right; you enjoy writing about your wild and wooly adventures in Wanchai and all over Hong kong, I enjoy reading about it – we ALL enjoy it!!  
But debating…. MAN!!!  
You do get frustrated ….very frustrated…and very easily don’t you??
So yes, perhaps best if you just stick to non-weighty matters!!


Ok – can you at least see that when anybody DEMANDS anything for themselves, it’s gonna have to come from somebody else?   
Why would you think that Ziteng’s demands ain’t gonna have to be something that comes from me the punter?
And if they get “better protection” from the Police, then the Police is gonna have to offer it to ALL WG’s in Hong Kong – right?

Errr…. Guess what happens to WG’s that’s on a visitor visa, or a two-way permit from China then??
Who ain’t even supposed to work!!
Get it??

And as far as   “Organized Crime”    (Your words, not mine, I only said “forces” LOL!) offering them protection – tell me – do you REALLY think that the police could offer the kind of protection that WG’s in Hong Kong are already under right now?
And I DID say that the situation is NOT ideal and certainly not perfect – but Ziteng’s demands for protection from the Police – yeah …RIGHT!!


And as I mentioned above – perhaps its because they’re deemed to be SOOO unproductive that the “forces” cain’t be bothered to offer them any protection.  
No more money there!!


Me???
Moi???
I’m a full time worker on 141!!!  
You didn’t KNOW??? OH MY!!

And my product/service – when and if I ever get off from in front of the 141 pages…well, its cheap and easily available from just about anywhere in Hong Kong; do you think that the Cops will come and force me to provide it to them gratis..under threats and harassment?!  
Same with these Hand Jobs that the cops supposedly get from WG’s – Oh REALLY??!!

Like I said bro – take it easy….but you and I…we DO get into these debates well and GOOD don’t we??!!
LMAO and    LOVE IT!!

Sean Sweet Swede

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 19-1-2012 23:12 ]

You guys should have a 4-some.  Seaj (aka Sean) can bang a cop and Wander can bang an old pissed off WG

Keep up the entertaining debates!