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Mongolian Naziis

i've read somewhere on this forum before, that one of our bros had an experience w/mongolian nazi. i came across an article today about them. interesting read.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/02/mongolia-far-right

Their right hands rise to black-clad chests and flash out in salute to their nation: "Sieg heil!" They praise Hitler's devotion to ethnic purity.

But with their high cheekbones, dark eyes and brown skin, they are hardly the Third Reich's Aryan ideal. A new strain of Nazism has found an unlikely home: Mongolia.

Once again, ultra-nationalists have emerged from an impoverished economy and turned upon outsiders. This time the main targets come from China, the rising power to the south.

Groups such as Tsagaan Khass, or White Swastika, portray themselves as patriots standing up for ordinary citizens in the face of foreign crime, rampant inequality, political indifference and corruption.

But critics say they scapegoat and attack the innocent. The US state department has warned travellers of increased assaults on inter-racial couples in recent years – including organised violence by ultra-nationalist groups.

Dayar Mongol threatened to shave the heads of women who sleep with Chinese men. Three years ago, the leader of Blue Mongol was convicted of murdering his daughter's boyfriend, reportedly because the young man had studied in China.

Though Tsagaan Khass leaders say they do not support violence, they are self-proclaimed Nazis. "Adolf Hitler was someone we respect. He taught us how to preserve national identity," said the 41-year-old co-founder, who calls himself Big Brother.

"We don't agree with his extremism and starting the second world war. We are against all those killings, but we support his ideology. We support nationalism rather than fascism."

It is, by any standards, an extraordinary choice. Under Hitler, Soviet prisoners of war who appeared Mongolian were singled out for execution. More recently, far-right groups in Europe have attacked Mongolian migrants.

Not all ultra-nationalists use this iconography; and widespread ignorance about the Holocaust and other atrocities may help to explain why some do.

Tsagaan Khass points out that the swastika is an ancient Asian symbol – which is true, but does not explain the group's use of Nazi colours, the Nazi eagle and the Nazi salute; or the large picture of the Führer on Big Brother's cigarette case.

Nor does it seem greatly relevant, given their unabashed admiration for Hitler's racial beliefs.

"We have to make sure that as a nation our blood is pure. That's about our independence," said 23-year-old Battur, pointing out that the population is under three million.

"If we start mixing with Chinese, they will slowly swallow us up. Mongolian society is not very rich. Foreigners come with a lot of money and might start taking our women."

Big Brother acknowledges he discovered such ideas through the nationalist groups that emerged in Russia after the Soviet Union's fall; Mongolia had been a satellite state. But the anti-Chinese tinge is distinct and increasingly popular.

"While most people feel far-right discourse is too extreme, there seems to be a consensus that China is imperialistic, 'evil' and intent on taking Mongolia," said Franck Billé of Cambridge University, who is researching representations of Chinese people in Mongolia.

Hip hop tracks such as Don't Go Too Far, You Chinks by 4 Züg – chorus: "shoot them all, all, all" – have been widely played in bars and clubs. Urban myths abound; some believe Beijing has a secret policy of encouraging men to have sex with Mongolian women.

Yet Tsagaan Khass claims it welcomes law-abiding visitors of all races, and Big Brother can certainly be hospitable.

Enthusiastically shaking hands, he says: "Even though you are a British citizen, you are still Asian, and that makes you very cool."

He says the younger members have taught him to be less extreme and the group appears to be reshaping itself – expelling "criminal elements" and insisting on a good education as a prerequisite for membership. One of the leaders is an interior designer.

But critics fear ultra-nationalists are simply becoming more sophisticated and, quietly, more powerful. Tsagaan Khass say it "works closely" with other organisations and is now discussing a merger.

"Some people are in complete denial … [but] we can no longer deny this is a problem," said Anaraa Nyamdorj, of Mongolia's Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Centre.

The US state department has noted increased reports of xenophobic attacks since the spring. The UN country review cites a recent vicious assault on three young transgender women. When one of the victims publicly blamed an ultra-nationalist group – not Tsagaan Khass – death threats quickly followed.

"They are getting more support from the public," added Enkhjargal Davaasuren, director of the National Centre Against Violence, who fears that ultra-nationalists are growing more confident and victims too scared to come forward. She pointed to a YouTube video posted last year, showing a man roughly shaving a woman's long hair. The victim's face is buried in her hands, but her hunched body reeks of fear.

Others in Ulan Bator suggest the movement is waning and suspect the groups' menacing stance and claims of 3,000 members are bluster. Billé thinks there is "a lot of posturing".

"We have heard of instances [of violence]. They are not necessarily all right or all wrong," said Javkhlan, a Tsagaan Khass leader. But the group is simply a "law enforcement" body, he maintained: "We do checks; we go to hotels and restaurants to make sure Mongolian girls don't do prostitution and foreigners don't break the laws.

"We don't go through and beat the shit out of everyone. We check our information and make sure it's true."

They rely on police and media pressure to reform such businesses, he added. And if that failed? "We try to avoid using power," he said. "That would be our very last resort."
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Reply #1 bizzyb's post

I have a friend who goes to Ulan Bator and also to the countryside of Mongolia annually. He confirms that Mongolians dislike mainland Chinese and impartial to Singaporeans so best to say you're from Singapore when asked where you're from.
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Post at 7-8-2010 12:41  Profile P.M. 
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Fucking idiots. Simple as that.

I can understand there need to make an anti china statement if they want to. But to select the Nazis? They know fuck all about anything if they feel that Messers Hitler, Goebbels and Mengele woulddo anything other than sling them all in a slave camp and made to build roads as sub human people.It's a bit like me dressing up as Maradona and punching a football into a net in protest to the War inIraq. Idiots and, someone should tell them, they look decidedly gay in their cute little outfits.




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Post at 7-8-2010 12:50  Profile P.M. 
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we've seen this throughout history all the time: the poor are uneducated, and someone comes along w/this crazy ideology that blames others for their troubles, then it becomes popular. it's just really sad and even terribly confusing, why they or anyone other than whites would choose naziism.
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Reply #1 bizzyb's post

WOOOW...I was spot on !!!

6 years ago, I went to London to learn a bit of english and stayed 4 month there working in a fast food with a mongolian guy.

He told me he could never sleep with a black woman and he found it quit weird that the black guy I am had a thing for asian girls.

He once told me in his whole country they were 3 mixed race children (black/mongolian). I then told him jockingly that it was not enough and should introduce me to some mogolian girls so that I could get them pregnant so there would be more mixed raced children in Mongolia.
He was like:
" No no, no way man...we don't need more of  that man ! It's not good to mix races".
I then asked him:
"So, you're like Hitler right ?".
He didn't understand my question, so I went further:
"You want to keep the race pure right, just like did Hitler !".
I was confused so try to find a poor excuse:
"No, it's only because, if black people and others come and mix with us we won't have the curiosity of discovering their countries. So mixing is not good because it prevents people from travelling and learning about other cultures"

I told one polish workmate the whole story and said that guy thought I was that gullible to believe his poor excuse. A short while after I quit the job because I could'nt put up working anymore with that guy who was like my manager.

Now I read this thread and this line and found out I was spot on:

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"We have to make sure that as a nation our blood is pure. That's about our independence," said 23-year-old Battur, pointing out that the population is under three million.

Funny stuff, the guy's name was Battur as well , though he's probably more around 30 and not 23.

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Reply #5 conqueror77's post

maybe they're brothers??? older bro went back to educate lil bro? haha
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That was me who went to UB last year and nearly got into a fight with a bunch of Mongolian Nazis, granted I was in the Nazi bar...

But still nationalism runs strong there are signs saying fuck china everywhere and the Chinese workers there have security guards.

Koreans are treated even worse as Koreans treat the place like a sex tourist destination.

When people in Mongolia asked me where I was from I said London, when they looked like they were going to stab me in the face I'd say Tajikistan as they are the same Turkic people.

It is ironic the way the Mongols spread THEIR blood around China 900 years ago and yet think its not ok to do this the other way round. The triangular kind of face was real common in Mongolia.




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as a result of all this nazi stupidity amongst the Mongolian men, (especially the uneducated "country boys" who the girls tell me only want to fight) the local girls cant wait to get out of Mongolia and will resort to almost anything to do so.

Every cloud has a silver lining I guess...
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