any body here got scam .. like the girls take your photo in hotel and tell you to pay up or they post on the internet .. things of that nature...

if so please do tell so we know how to be careful

Why the hell would a girl do that unless of course you were trying to make a run for it?  This thread makes no sense.

Another question from a self confessed non contributing member ...

does your question deserve a reply ?

[ Last edited by  twiceAweek at 1-7-2009 15:47 ]

anyone else posting that Q might make for an entertaining thread ...

... but your other posts have made the discussion pointless.  

Suggest you read the entire db before posting another pointless question or starting a discussion that's already been handled.

For the benefit of other readers:  you can only be blackmailed if you're doing something immoral or illegal.  Punting in HK is neither illegal nor is it considered immoral.  Enough said.

[ Last edited by  DArtagnan at 2-7-2009 10:11 ]

I agree that the original poster is an inane non-contributor...  But I have to disagree with your statement here.  Note the following statement from Wikipedia (which appears consistent with other sources):

Blackmail is the crime of threatening to reveal substantially true information about a person to the public, a family member, or associates unless a demand made upon the victim is met. This information is usually of an embarrassing and/or socially damaging nature. As the information is substantially true, the act of revealing the information may not be criminal in its own right nor amount to a civil law defamation; the crime is making demands to withhold it. English Law creates a much broader definition of blackmail, covering any unwarranted demands with menaces, whether involving revealing information or not.   
Blackmail is similar to extortion. The difference is that extortion involves an underlying, independent criminal act, while blackmail does not.


So you cannot be the victim of extortion in Hong Kong, because 141 activities are legal.  But you can sure as hell be blackmailed!  

I was once blackmailed (and extorted, since sex-for-money is illegal in the US) by an escort I saw in NYC.  She threatened to expose my activities to my wife unless I removed a review that I had written.  I acceded to this request and had the review removed (not an easy task, but the way).  Then she made further demands for money.  She called my office and had a thug named Vinnie leave threatening messages.  She tracked down my wife's name and our home address and phone number.  This scared the shit out of me, but I also recognised that if I paid her money, she would simply make further demands.  So I called her bluff, and she backed down.  But it caused me some sleepless nights, that's for sure.  

The TBD (bigdoggie) VIP boards -- which are theoretically not open to women -- provide other accounts of similar extortion.  It does happen...

Have fun, CGP

[ Last edited by  Caligynephiliac at 2-7-2009 13:42 ]

if you are movie star or rock God you need to worry, otherwise don't sweat it.

btw, there was a similar thread a while back and the consensus was that all the Bros should wear those Groucho Marx masks ... you know the glasses, with the big nose, and moustache attached. For panache you could also carry a cigar.

A thug named Vinnie! Doesn't every crime-related joke told on late-night talk shows always involve a thug named Vinnie?

It was even better than that...  He left a couple of messages on my voicemail.  He even sounded like the guys on the Sopranos.  Of course, that's probably because about half the population of New Jersey sounds like that!

Have fun, CGP

i post this is because all you take photos of wg and they take some of you guys

said they know u or u know them these photo can be use in a very illegal way....like the case edison chen so i ask you guys did you guys get scam

hk is just a very small city

I'm still not sure this is for real. If I were trying to spoof Fei_Cock, I might make up some story like this and include "a thug named Vinnie" as a tip-off to the more savvy bros.

But I'll bite - so how did this WG know your name, home address, and place of work?

careful Mars, Vinnie may come after you too ......... I think he was snooping around my place but my two german shepherds scared him off.

yeah well, that was exactly the point I was making ...

Of course you can be blackmailed ... and I have a huge sympathy for your situation with the pro and her thug ... It's worth remembering she can't afford an all-out war with a client, simply because she'd risk losing all her business.  Takes guts though so congrats for facing her down

There's nonetheless a heck of a difference between being threatened with embarrassement, or facing the possibility of jail time etc ...

Mars, I appreciate your skepticism...  I was not spoofing Fei_Cock, but rather trying to make the point that it can and does happen...  at least in the US.

OK, here's how she found out my private information.  It happened years ago, so some of the details are fuzzy, but this should give you an idea...

1)  I have never been vigilant about maintaining a separate hobbying identity.  I never used a fake name (I would simply not use my last name).  When I got to know a woman well, I would email her from my work email.  Yeah, stupid, I know...   

2) I was a very prominent poster on the Boston board of TBD and (for a few years anyway) on the national board.  These boards develop factions...  much like this board in bygone days.  Visibility leads to making friends and occasionally to making enemies.  Because these boards are co-ed, enemies can be male and female.

3)  TBD had a "Ladies-only Board" that was closed to men.  They could post reviews of the men and other information there, which we men could not read.  But occasionally our friends would tip us to what was posted. The vast majority of the information was of a "warning" nature and therefore negative.  I found out that at least two women had posted very negative reviews of me.  One was a woman I had seen for an overnight.  We had an unfrotunate misunderstanding about the fee.  She thought I had underpaid her, and she was understandably pissed.  The other was a psycho who went off the deep end in response to a post I made concerning her on TBD.  She made up all sorts of really horrible stuff about me in her review...

4) There is also an active back-channel network among the independent escorts.  I think this is probably how this particular woman obtained information...  by looking on the Ladies Board to see who knew me, and then following up for further information via the backchannel network.  

5) Once she got my name and age, she could get everything else pretty easily.  There were only three men with my name in the area.  Years ago, you could do "age searches" for free, so she could have easily eliminated the other two as possibilities.  My phone listing listed my wife's name as well as mine.  But she clearly must have done internet searches as well, because she discovered that my wife was an illustrator.  To prove hom much she knew, she quoted me the names of some of my wife's books in emails to me.

6) Yes, "Vinnie" sounds like a joke.  Of course, there's nothing that says that was his real name.  Maybe he was just playing the thug in order to scare me.  Nonetheless, the NJ/NY escort scene IS very scary (as I discovered later).  Just as with the triads here, there's a lot of mafia involvement in the escort business.  They do not like people messing with their business.  I don't think the woman who blackmailed men was tightly connected, but I have no doubt that she had some at least peripheral relationships with these folks.

The escort industry in the US is not always pretty.  It's made much worse by the fact that prostitution is illegal almost everywhere.  This enabled abuses to happen...  because it was illegal, there was no recourse from the law.  By contrast, HK seems mucher safer and sane.  While the triads may run much of the business and perpetrate abuse, the fact that 141 is legal shifts the balance of power a bit...

Have fun, CGP

That is quite interesting! I didn't know that forums like that existed. I rather like the idea of women also giving feedback on the clients. That would make for some VERY interesting reading, not only for an objective appraisal of one's own performance, but also for the true low-down on self-styled forum super-studs.

Is the men's board closed to the women, or are they allowed to read client reviews? And what's to prevent someone creating a false opposite-gender lurker identity?

I understand why it would be thought inappropriate for the men to have access to the reviews written by women - beyond creating problems for the WGs who are not anonymous, it would provide other men with embarrassing info on their forum opponents. But how would a woman now that a first-time client was the same guy reviewed by another WG?

Obviously, in that sort of online community, which seems to involve far more direct ego involvement than our forum, one should be extremely careful about revealing any kind of personal info - but you know that now.

However, to be honest, the situation you describe seems to be more a matter of revenge than a serious attempt at blackmail.

Yes, the concept of women giving feedback is good.  But the implementation is problematic.  Whereas many men can post reviews quite anonymously under a handle, the women are linked to their escorting personae.  If their reviews were public, they could not actually diss a "self-styled forum super-stud" without fear of losing some business.  In fact, the opposite tends to occur...  the women excessively flatter these super-stud personalities in their public posts (the general discussion boards are open to both men and women equally).  Not surprisingly, these super-studs exist because solely they have deep pockets.  So the women have a natural interest in milking these cash cows...

On the other hand, if their reviews are not public -- as is the case on the TBD Ladies' Board -- then you risk the sort of revengeful abuse that I cite.

The men's reviews are public for all -- or at least all who pony up and purchase a TBD membership (many women do).   

The reason that a women would know the identity of a first-time client has to do with the verification process.  Because pay-for-play is illegal, women use various means to avoid potential police entrapment.  Most agencies do background screening on names and/or phone numbers.  Most independent escorts work via referral.  So if I want to see woman X, I ask woman Y whom I've seen before to vouch for me and send woman X an email saying that I'm a client in good standing -- and when she does this, she would refer to me by my TBD handle.  So by the time I see woman X, she may already know a great deal about me.  In general, that would work in my favour, so I encouraged such interaction.

Yes, I think you are right about the woman who "blackmailed" me.  What she really wanted was revenge...  The curious thing is that the review I wrote was positive.  She just took strong exception to one thing I said...  which led to an email exchange that fanned the flames....  Shit happens, even when you try your best to avoid it...

Have fun, CGP

great post guys... all i am saiding is ..every one is posting so much photo of the ladies and themselves here

i am sure they all have normal lives too right.. in hk is so small if you can find them in real life and you still keep these photo. i am sure they are alot of scammers out here that will use these to there advantage..

best example and worst example edison chan..this brother will go down in history in hk even 50 years from now

so i want to ask if any bro did get scam so we can talk about it and be safe

i am sure no body wants they wives or child to know there little secret right
i am sure even these wg down the road with be very regretful of these photo too hehehe

Punting may not be immoral for the punters of this forum, but I feel my partner wouldn't see it the same way  

I have WGs back to my hotels in HK, Macau (and elsewhere). All money, valuables usually go in the safe, there are two girls I trust and don't worry about things like my watch or laptop.  Something happened a while back that made me think about my luggage tags, there it all is;  name, address, phone numbers, etc.

One of the trusted girls wanted my home address to send me a birthday present. Naturally I said please don't bother, next time we meet, etc., but she was quite insistent in a genuine way so I had to spell out I need to protect my family (and me). She was okay with that, and then understood, I think just a little naive about a wife's incredible ability to smell a rat when something unexpected arrives in the mail. Plus who knows what a WG may do in the future if things go bad.

Anyway, it got me thinking about temporarily removing the tags in future. What if my trusted girl had wanted to surprise me with the present so took an "innocent" peek?

i'm not sure what kind of forum TBD is...
but how the hell they can ensure the ladies are really ladies?

The ladies have to have an active website promoting their escort services in order to join TBD as a lady member.  A website is standard for internet escorts in the US, so this is not a problem for an remotely serious escort.  There may be other hoops, but that's the one I remember...

Nonetheless, I suspect that a man could gain entrance if he really wanted to make the effort.  But it's a lot easier just to ask a friend to give you access or tell you what's posted there.  No information in these forums is secure, despite what anyone thinks...

Have fun, CGP