When I was married I started punting just for the lack of sex in the marriage. I learned it was pretty easy to do. I didn't do FS often, just a couple times, mostly massage. Now I have a gf I really love and adore. Best thing that every happened to me. Sometimes my old habits come back and I get a massage or more. Every time I do this I feel incredible regret immediately after. Anyone else have this problem? You do it just because of habit lack of self control?

No regrets.  I ALWAYS pay and make it clear its a transaction, even if we are on friendly terms.  Its just entertainment for me, like watching a movie.  Others may view it differently but thats how it works for me.

I’ve never in my life been faithful, i for some short periods of time tried to be but that never lasted, there isn’t one gf i haven’t cheated with a non-working girl.

And being not faithful as i am, i agree with Hulk and Mister,  i think punting is already a step up compared to cheating with regular girls where they can be some kind of involvement/feelings.

If anything i regret, It's my time half-stepping in punting making me miss some golden opportunities., and now not having the freedom i want to do it more.

I think being loyal is over rated. There is so much fun to be had, there is no reason to abstain! When you are dead and gone, God probably would ask you why you didn't make the most of the time he gave you!! To be perfectly clear, I don't mind my SO having some fun on the side either, but I know she doesn't share my views. If I am unhappy about anything, it is having to keep my punts a secret from my SO.

While I am a bit in-between Hulk & Blast in that if I am with a SO, I have only ever have transnational adventures and mainly at the end of the relationship when it is going south. we can also flip it the other way - define loyalty or faithfulness.

I don't know a girl in the world who doesn't like male attention and a lot easily engage in  flirting which often becomes sexually orientated (without the intentional to make it physical) and this is more prevalent now given the rise of social media - is this cheating or being unfaithful?  I don't think so I just think its the nature of the female psyche that they desire male attention.  And by God I never want to see a SO's social media chats!!

Obviously some do take it to the physical side, but for males its a lot easier, IMHO, to have a pure physical release without any emotion.  And in the world of punting, it is easy to do this with a professional with virtually no risk of it leading to anything more than a and a

Males need the physical release more and, again IMHO, a punt with a WG is the female equivalent of a SO flirting with a civvie colleague, barman etc.  Ask yourself this, is having a crafty wank thinking about the hot girl in the office cheating?

If you pay, don't regret and don't beat yourself up about it, I have mates who reckon a GF has gone on to be a wife to be the mother of their children etc just because they kept discretely punting on the side to keep the male cravings at bay and stop them from straying with civvies.

Just my tuppence

[ Last edited by  aurufc at 22-9-2017 10:32 ]

Guilt is a social construct as an emotion. Regret however is a state of what might have been.

I think you are talking guilt and not regret. Most regret that happens in punting is due to punters getting caught. If they feel something after a punt it is guilt which is because of the social stigma placed on infidelity and p4p overall.

I’m not religious or spiritual in any way. I try to live a life where I avoid hurting other people and treat everyone fairly. So I don’t really go I. For the guilt emotion or state of mind.

I, like most people have regrets. Punting is not on my list of regrets.

In my case it's both guilt and regret. Regret that I just wasted $200 on a crappy massage and hj. And guilt that I cheated on the gf. My first marriage was about 15 years. Never once cheated. Never even went out to the bars alone.  Second wife was a bit frigid so I started getting satisfaction elsewhere. It got too easy living in Asia.

I'm probably a bit different that the opinions shared her, but I think by what you've explained there are 2 separate issues. I think a lot of us deal with regret or "buyers remorse" of paying for a crappy punt. I certainly don't like throwing money away.
But your guilt seems to be more relational that financial, which is a different matter. To me, that matters on what is more valuable to you. The way I see it, is that basically you are not being faithful and essentially lying to your partner. If you are okay with that kind of relationship, then you are fine to proceed. I like how some of the guys looked at it the other way in saying- to paraphrase, "I wouldn't mind if my SO cheated on me." But I think if you asked them, "Is it okay for your friends, colleagues and clients to be dishonest with you, to your detriment?", they would say "hell no!". But then again, I could be wrong or full of shit.

If I was single, I'd probably still have regret about it. It's like an impulse decision for instant gratification. For sure it is a type of addiction.

Yeah this is getting deep!!

Is guilt the aspect of emotionally regretting something?  Buyers remorse or buyers blues is just "shit that was a waste of money" or "I didn't get value for that money" which even outside punting is down to the service or product or supply you get.

Regret is "I wish I hadn't done that as I got no benefit or got caught" or "I wish I had done that as I may have had some benefit and wouldn't have got caught".

Guilt is "I thought I didn't have a problem with doing that but I feel bad about doing it afterwards" or "I knew I would have a problem with doing that and feel bad that I still did it"

To add to what Jake said, I try to not have regrets in my life though there are a few (that sounds like a song!!), guilt is a weird thing that if you were raised as a Catholic (as I was and not making this religious) you can feel over the smallest of things like a Big Mac on a Friday.

We all have our own moral compasses and can only deal with these as we go through life.

I''m waffling now but my final comment is that I never want to end up on my deathbed saying "I wish I had done that" - no regrets (or as few as life's rich tapestry allows us) is a life ambition of mine and guilt about what we do is something we all deal with in our own way.

Goddammit it, it's a Friday so I may just go and have a Big Mac :-) ............and then a punt

Just my truppence!

This question is ... so strange, but ... simple for me.
I haven't girlfriend or wife yet... My family know it and they accepted (mother, sister, etc...).
But i know this is very rare...

By the way good question what i will do, if this "status" will change...

They know that you don't have a gf or they know of you punting ?

Although I enjoy reading the reports on this forum, I don't do this often and I certainly won't do it when I'm in a relationship.

I can understand that some ppl are seeing this as a business trade, which it certainly is. You pay for a service, no feelings involved.
Of course I have also fantasised about having sex with someone else while in a relationship, it is only natural and some ppl also have a stronger sex drive than others.

The main reason i wouldn't do this is that my SO might/will get really hurt. It's not about the sex itself. Your SO will think she is not good enough for you. This can mess up a person really badly.
You can also argue that this is worse than not paying for it and going out to find a one night stand. SO might think that you rather P4P than do it with her.
Regardless of your actual intentions and it's not about having feelings or not when doing it with others. It doesn't matter much if you still hurt your SO.

But if you can keep it a secret, good for you. No harms done. But I wouldn't want my SO to cheat on me or pay someone to satisfy her. It would probably fuck me up.

So, to answer the question: Yes, if I would punt while in a relationship, I would definitely feel guilty.

I'm not saying ppl who think & act differently should feel guilty. Just be very careful boys Especially if you really care about your gf/wife but can't give up on being a hunter   It's only natural

If we get into moral values,  the nature itself of prostitution and Its dark sides give much more ground for guilt. That's about the only guilt i've felt and one of the reasons i was for a time not fully in and half-stepping.


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Blast, I'm not sure about this one.....

You go into a factory in Shenzhen or a bar in Amsterdam or a bus in NYC or a plane in HK, then there are a lot more unhappy workers (boys or girls) than a lot of the WGs I come across in Asia.

The dark side you mention, I think, is sex trafficking were WGs (or WBs) are forced to do this in repayment for their ticket to "freedom". IMHO a lot of the girls make the decision to do this like any other job and set themselves and their families on a brighter financial path.

I do agree in Europe there is a darker side

I was raised indeed in Europe where  there is much trafficking and pimping, virtually all girls have at least what they call "protection".

Asia is not exempt from that, far from it, but i agree the culture  and habits translate to way more girls chosing this life as their least worst option.

I don't believe in happy wgs, from my experience they all want out if they could and wish they never had to do it, no matter how dehumanized the sex act can be or become for them.

Wise words and true bro..........though we don't/can't judge if they are happy with their lot in life. Supporting their families back home or kids here or buying a home outright in their country at the age of 30 etc can make them happy and I've had a few honest conversations over the years with WGs who see it as a better life than flipping burgers for minimum wage.

Just my fourpence ;-)

[ Last edited by  aurufc at 23-9-2017 16:14 ]

Many-many years ago i was talking private with some wgs. Some of them became friends (not girlfriend!).
Yes someones do it for the money and they not really like it, but:
Many of them don't want working in a factory for few money, and they like the lots of money what they can earn with this. Example they are working in summer time in "rich places : tourist paradise areas, west europe, etc..." and they are working for fewer money in one of bigger towns of their homeland in winter time. They can buy always the expensive iphones, clothes and anything else what they wish.

But/And : Yes, many girls are victims and they need a better life without this. (I am lucky, i never went to victim type gals...)

[ Last edited by  LeoCan at 23-9-2017 17:38 ]

Well, seeing as I am single.  I don't really have any regret punting.  Besides it's just another for financial transaction really.   Seeing as prostitution is perfectly legal in some countries.

Got to know a few ex-strippers, working girls... Etc .... Over the years. Some in Asia, some in North America. Some of them do it because they have been forced in to it, there are some who do it because they feel like it's the best option for the moment.

Some of them chalk it up to being young and stupid at the time... You'll find a dark seedy underbelly if you investigate any industry. Big pharma, legal, banking, etc etc.... Proatitution is the oldest profession in the world. There's nothing wrong with proatitution in and of itself. That being said, unfortunately, its underbelly is a lot seedier and darker than most and take advantage of people.

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