Is there currently a No-Whites Policy in effect with the Lisboa Racetrack Girls?

Numerous scattered reports are to this effect; several white bros first reporting racetrack ignoring whites, with one chinese bro confirming via conversation with a racetrack girl who confirmed they (the girls) were explicitly ordered "No-Whites".

It's interesting and I'm curious to understand the logic behind it. Everyone loves a good mystery...

It could be that the rule is not No-Whites, but rather, Chinese-Only. The idea being, keep the girls as a prestige product (these are the highest-end working girls in all of Macau/Hong Kong as far as I'm aware, if not please educate me) for only Chinese men. The rule exists to keep the girls "unsullied" by foreigners. Perhaps with less foreigners around and with more Chinese men, Chinese men will feel more comfortable, perhaps less intimidated, and more likely to do business with the girls.

That's the best most logical (while still irrational) explanation I can come up with, and yet I still don't think that's behind this.

What else could it be?

I will say flat out I don't believe it has anything at all to do with white guys penis size. The "penis size explanation" is thrown around here allot and it's lazy and short-sighted and non sensical. For starters, whoever is pulling the racetrack girls-strings presumably gives zero fucks how large of a penis the girls have to take... their only concern is if the girls are taking penises (thus earning money), but not penis size itself. They could care less, for them it's about the money. Penis size may matter to the girls individually but that's on an individual case-by-case basis, as it has always been everywhere else in Asia and the world, and although we have little solid information to go on we do know (via the chinese punter report) that the rule is a top-down rule not a bottom-up rule... so we know the girls didn't suddenly organize and come together and communally agree to "no whites".

So, I don't believe "penis size" is a valid explanation.

What about language or cultural barrier? Maybe whites are causing too much trouble? This for me is more plausible than penis size but still unlikely. I think that's all a case-by-case type of thing.

So, I wonder what the actual explanation is behind the No-Whites Rule. Have any whites had success with a racetrack girl lately? How'd it go?

Perhaps a Chinese guy can get us some solid answers from his next racetrack girl....

[ Last edited by  ggherkin at 26-10-2013 15:15 ]

It's a good question. As you say, it has been discussed several times previously. So far, nobody has come up with an answer that rings true to my ears.

If you have Chinese language skills (mine aren't good enough), I suggest you talk to some of the handlers in the cafe next to the racetrack.

The most plausible explanation offered so far is that there is a demand for girls who have not been with foreigners.

However, it seems odd to me that there is only enough demand for one place (the Lisboa Racetrack), and not enough demand for any other places (i.e.: there don't seem to be any "Chinese only" saunas.

I hope you get a good answer from someone, because it still puzzles me.

Gherk

Wow. That's borderline racist.

The simple answer is communication -- or lack of it. The racetrack girls tend more often than not to only speak Mandarin. If a guy doesn't speak the same language then a whole litany of miscommunication can occur with the obvious being services and rate. If you've ever been in a situation where you haven't been able to communicate with the other person then you would understand how difficult it can be. Also, there have been previous reports of non-Mandarin speaking Chinese guys unable to to get racetrack girls and Caucasian guys who do speak Mandarin able to complete the transaction. The answer is simple and doesn't need to go further.

As an aside, why would you pay 1500 HKD for a racetrack girl who has notoriously poor service when you can go to a sauna for the same rate and have a great time?

A more interesting question MONGERLOID is how come all of your posts are questions and not reports?

just curious, have you punted in HK or Macau before ?

Freelancer, I love you, but if Mando-only is the explanation, why doesn't it apply to all of Macau's other managed girls, like at the Saunas, or the freelancers, or the hotel outcall girls, and so on? Ditto for 141 girls in HK?

I do agree with you though, when you say it isn't a 100% exclusion. The occasional Caucasian does manage to take one upstairs every so often. brother jake.houston came close, last time we were there together (and he wrote about it). But it's the exception, not the rule.

So, although language would be a perfectly reasonable explanation, it doesn't bear scrutiny.

Still wondering ...

Gherk

My very limited experience at the racetrack showed me that in general, the girls do ignore whites.  Don't know or care about the reason, just found it to be true.

However if you read my racetrack experience (Breaking the Lisboa Code) you will see that even an average white boy with a little game can get an offer if you work it right.

When I did get an offer, I passed it up because of the numerous reports of hot girls with shit service.  I'll take an invested 6 over a distant 9 or 10 any day.

J

I was at the race track recently. My two cents: the racetrack girls are NOT the hottest in Macau. Quite average in my opinion. Especially if comparing to the sauna girls. On the racetrack, i was getting enough eye contact from them (and a smile from one also) to suggest I could have punted if I liked anyone good enough to try. So, no racial duscrimination in my opinion but it would be natural for the girls to be more comfortable approaching a Chinese guy. Language probably the biggest barrier.

[ Last edited by  vc09 at 27-10-2013 11:34 ]

My visit to the racetrack was accidental while traveling with two, non-mongering (both chinese, I'm white), acquaintances. The girls who made direct eye contact with me were all smiles, faces immediately lit up and their looks beckoned, all systems seemed a 'go' but given the gentlemen in my current company--I had to maintain all social norms and ignore it. Of all the 141's and HG's i've visited in HKG, the racetrack girls are the most gorgeous--more than anything else I've seen--they leave an impression.

But imagine not knowing or even dreaming something like the racetrack exists and then stumbling upon it by complete happenstance. Haha. Yeah.

This happened back in March 2013, nothing indicated to me then that I'd have an issue but of course I don't know since I didn't have an opportunity to actually commit. I really do wonder what's going on there now, and why...

[ Last edited by  MONGERLOID at 27-10-2013 12:00 ]

It seems on the surface you are saying that in your most recent experience (March 2013) that the girls seemed keen but you could not convert because of the colleagues you were with. Therefore I don't understand what makes you think there is any problem? Please explain more?

It's the environment. Racetrack girls aren't exactly operating within allowed boundaries else they would be openly soliciting and not making little winks, constantly moving and avoiding security. Being able to negotiate rate and services is in their favour. Because they work solo once upstairs in the room, things can get really bad if the girl and customer can't communicate. We've seen this same thing with 141 walkups in Hong Kong and there are reports all around the world about bad experiences simply due to communication problems. Girls in saunas and freelancers in clubs operate in different environments and their restrictions are different. Sauna girls have more safety involved given their environment as well as defined services that are set out beforehand. Freelancers have the freedom to choose their customers.

Here's another take on it: Single Chinese men trawling in Macau typically fall into one of three categories. They're either there for tourism, here for the casinos or here to look for sex and saunas -- or a combination of any of those. This is what Macau quite known for among Chinese people in general. Non-Asian men in Macau tend to be there for tourism. You can see this just walking around Macau and also casinos are legal and plentiful in many other countries. Racetrack girls can simply see it as a game of numbers. Single Chinese men you see in Macau have a higher likelihood of knowing that pay-for-play is available and also are interested in engaging in P4P specifically in Macau. Non-Asian single men in Macau have a lower likelihood of both those things.


Not only is this belief racist -- both on the part of you believing this and also on the part of any Chinese person who might want his girls this way -- there are also several fallacies. First, it's unlikely that a Chinese guy or any person would know the entire history of guys that a racetrack girl has been with. Thus the being "unsullied" is incredibly difficult for a Chinese customer to determine and prove. Second, racetrack girls are in Macau short term. This reduces the likelihood of a girl being with the alphabet soup of customer ethnicities due to lack of time. And third, if a racetrack girl herself is purposely only going with Chinese customers to maintain her being "unsullied," she's making the assumption that every single Chinese male she winks at is very specifically looking for an "unsullied" girl. The latter is by far a tiny fraction of a percent and can only exist if point #1 earlier somehow works -- which it doesn't.

Nothing necessarily tipped me off there was a problem, other than the language barrier and the fact that I didn't quite understand how it worked (though had some idea obviously), and possibly by how high-end it felt--the girls were dressed to kill, all had tall, tiny, slender bodies. Great features. Truly killer. I didn't know how much they cost but immediately understood them to be ultra expensive.

The racetrack was an assault on my senses both visually, by the ultra skinny tightly dressed bodies catwalking; and audibly, by the 20+ pairs of 4 inch high heels click-clacking through a marbled hallway, almost deafening. Haha.

I never thought a problem existed until reading of restricted access to these girls, initially I wasn't surprised, being high end and expensive is a form of restriction in itself--being Chinese-Only is just the next logical extension of that.

Are you like 16 years old?


High price doesn't necessarily equate to being high end. In this case the racetrack girls want 1500 HKD (up from 900 HKD two years ago). Now think of the environment and circumstances that the girls are in. First, racetrack girls are here short term. This implies that they want/need to make as much money as possible for themselves because time is fixed and short. And second, it's well known that racetrack girls have handlers that they have to pay back. This means that they have to pay back their startup costs before being able to keep any money for themselves. Now combine points #1 and #2 and that gives you a situation where the girl needs to make as much money as possible and as quickly as possible. What's a fast way to do so? High price and quick turnaround -- the two things racetrack girls are well known for. Thus getting 1500 HKD for 20 minutes of work is what racetrack girls do.

Now let's take a look at the other side of the equation: The customers. As I said in reply #10, visitors to Macau tend to be tourists, casino patrons and punters. The common denominator among these groups is that 1.) They're all short term visitors to Macau; and 2.) They have money to spend. This implies that the guys that racetrack girls tend to go with 1.) Won't see them again in the future and thus customer service isn't a factor; 2.) The guys have money to spend so 1500 HKD isn't necessarily a barrier to purchase; and 3.) The guys are here short term so on the fly researching and gathering more information isn't likely going to happen. Looking at these factors together again backs up the points I made in reply #10. It's the environment and the girls' situation that creates a situation where racetrack girls tend to focus on single Chinese men.

This thread really needs some actual real rational and logical thinking.

What are you, like 90 years old? What a stupid comment. The Lisboa Racetrack is unique in all the world, there's nothing else like it. Relax and savor it. Where else can you be on a runway of models only you can fuck any you want?


Absolutely true. It's generally well known that the service of racetrack girls is not high end. I wasn't speaking to the level of service, but purely of the girls aesthetics. By no means have I "seen it all" (far from it) but of what little I have seen, these girls are the best looking whores in HKG/Macau. Seems there may be the odd Sauna Girl whose as-good or better but those are few and far between.... whereas the Racetrack is the only place that can reliably be counted on as always having the highest concentration of 9's and 10's.

And using your best argument about the girls business model necessitating fast turn around, justifying poorer service, etc., therefore only chinese men: Well, the fact that the girls need as many men as fast as they do to profit should mean the girls want to take all comers'.... open their customer base to include white. If it was up to the girls, they would do exactly that, and we know that was the case prior to the no whites rule.

Now, it could be that the girls don't need whites to make their money, as they have more than enough customers in chinese men. But I'm not at all sure of that. All we do know for certain is the girls have been ordered to not accept whites.

One other theory not yet discussed tries to connect a raid, made months ago, by Macau authorities on the racetrack whores to white customers... which I can't understand how whites are connected to the raid, or how a policy of No-Whites would prevent future raids of racetrack girls. Clearly there's a lot missing with that explanation, too.

since you are answering everyone else's questions can you please answer my post #4 ... thank you

"For certain" huh? Put your money where your mouth is. Prove it. Talk to a racetrack girl and ask her. Record the audio for us.

Do me a favor and hold your breath until I get back.

If you want to say that the racetrack girl lied about being ordered not to accept whites or that the chinese guy who posted that story is lying that he asked the racetrack girl that question in the first place, that he fabricated the whole story; or that various bros around here who have (independently) posted and confirmed as much are lying when they too claim it's an issue, then I guess, sure... there's no reason to be certain at all.

I take everything with suspicion but it's all we have to go on.

That's great to hear, Bro.  So, if I may be so forward as to inquire where is your contribution of reports (since you reg. in this community in Feb. 2013)?

That's one of the most vague answers I've seen !   ... I'll repeat my question more precisely :  Have you actually had sex and paid for it in HK or Macau ?

WOW ... then please tell us why you are here in this forum ... just to get information you need for punting ?  

If you don't intend to share then, from now on, I suggest all bros gets too lazy to answer your questions or deliberate with you !!!

I'm puzzled why you quoted me from a totally unrelated comment. No. The quote I directed you to, the same one jetsetting2much properly quoted, is the following:


If any vagaries remain: In Hong Kong, yes, 141's and HG's. Macau, no, nothing yet.


This forum shows as having over 110 thousand members and yet--I don't see 110 thousand unique reports. Are you basically going to tell every person who joined but not yet posted a review to go stuff themselves as well? I feel there's other ways to contribute to this community other than posting every single play by play of every experience. You may not agree.