So I'm thinking of trying my first WG ever. I've only ever been with girlfriends before.

Firstly, I'm Indian, 23 (apparently I look 16) and I'm a very small guy in terms of height and weight. I also don't speak a word of Chinese.

I'm wondering if wg's might treat me differently based on my ethnicity or try to charge me more. I also want one that speaks English and offers bbbj with cim. Is this hard to find? Any recommendations?

Also, how crowded are these walk up buildings? Is it full of wigs or are there also normal residents? I'd prefer a very quiet, if not empty surrounding. What's the best time/place to go for this?

Finally, other than cash what do I bring with me? I don't think its a good idea to take my ID card or phone, or would this be fine?

first thing first.

where are you ? HK? (kowloon?)

macau?  or ... ?

if you're in HK .... technically you are required to have ID with you at all times ( or within 5 minutes walk access ... )

if you're mongering in HK , its safest as i have ever heard , phone ia always good ; if you need for internet / translation / photo ops


mongering in macau is also very good , i took my indian mate to sanados ( turned out he had a very good time without any verbal communication needed ) and the lucky bastard somehow managed to get the sauna girl to do overtime with him outside the sauna ( although the cost was $300 USD , funny thing that my mate translated it to be $300 HKD   )

too bad for the girl , but i'm sure my mate have done his utmost to be casanova.


slightly off-topic , i'm in no way racist nor stereotyping ; but i'm thinking as long as you're clean shaven facial hair ( at least tidy ) not wearing a turban , with good bodily hygiene , and behave gentleman wise , shouldnt be too much of an issue in HK / Macau.

any particular preference in the ethnicity of the girl ?


there is no 100% answer to some of your question ;

Also, how crowded are these walk up buildings? depends on time of day and also which one ...
Is it full of wigs or are there also normal residents? depends on which building.
how very quiet very quiet, you are not going to get nor want empty surrounding. why ? >> how will the WG make a living if there is 1 soul per hour ? ? unless you have particular reason to be discrete ?


for anything in the world there is a price ; e.g prehaps a HG fits the bill ?  ( hotel girl ) cost 800 ~ 1000 HKD

I second modnar's recommendation of a Macau sauna, for someone feeling a little apprehensive, scared, or nervous. Here's why.

First, you get to walk in, and can ask as many questions (in English or Chinese) as you like. Someone will be found to answer your questions.

Second, you get to sit in the lounge and watch the line-ups go past, yet don't need to choose a girl right away. You can watch others choose, go, come back smiling, and so on. You have plenty of time to build up the courage to make your own choice. You can make eye contact with some of the girls, even if they are lining up for someone else. Time is on your side.

Third, you can play with the lounge girls for as long as you like (at a cost, of course), and some of them will speak good English. You can ask them all sorts of questions too, if you like. You can even get their phone numbers for later, in some cases.

Fourth, you get to see the girls before you choose, versus photoshopped or fake pictures on a 141.

Fifth, when you go with a girl, it will be a pretty full script, so you'll have lots of interesting experiences.

Sixth, if you chicken out, you can still get a massage and HE, making the evening enjoyable even if you don't quite get around to the main event.

Of course, all of this comes at a price which is considerably more expensive than a HK 141. But you also get more in return too. Saunas are not to everyone's taste, but not a bad way to start out. Check out the Macau section for plenty of write-ups and reviews.

Gherk

Some might - but you're not alone - some of them don't like white guys either.  Most important is to be polite and obviously clean.  If you're also well dressed they'll read the nonverbal communication that you're considerate of others.  

confirm the price at the door, and if they try to charge more, you can politely walk away.


that's a moving goalpost - you need to read reports - and in the end you have to ask for it.  A girl's willingness to do CIM depends on her comfort level, so your chemistry and approach will make a difference.  
Very simple formula: ask at the door (in English) if she'll do CIM - if she doesn't understand, try another girl.  Hey, I said 'simple', not 'easy'!  Check my recent reports, Ka Yan in Sheung Wan will do CIM, but negligible English.  Frankly you'd do best to drop the language requirement, you don't need it for good sex.


1. Go in the afternoon, between about 2:30 and 4:30, between the lunch time and happy hour rushes.  MUCH the best time to visit a walkup.  
2. Go to a remote location, e.g. at the end of an MTR line
3. Choose a smaller building, by definition a building with fewer girls will have fewer punters.


Up to you really.  For your first punt, by all means leave your valuables behind and take only the essentials,  and take enough for a tip.  Do what you need to do so you can relax without constantly watching your wallet hanging on the door   
But most people don't bother to be so cautious, although you occasionally hear of problems, it's unusual.  You're bigger and stronger than her, so most of the time it's the girls who are at risk not the guys.  And if she's a popular girl her phone will be better and newer than yours

Oh: one tip, when you get the cash ready, do make sure you have sufficient change to pay the tip exactly.  You do NOT want to have to ask for change ... although most girls do give change without being asked, there are many who will jump on a brown one and expect to keep it all.  Awkward.  
So, take some pink ones, some blue ones, and a green one - then you can decide how much to give without having to communicate.

Thanks for the advice guys! Greatly appreciated.

If you can spare the cash, going to Macau for an afternoon would supply the most rewarding and stress free experience.

Your age or looks won't matter. There is some discrimination sometimes, but as above white guys get it too.

Safety: I can't possibly imagine being robbed by a hotel girl, or at a sauna in Macau.  I've never worried about it with a walk up girl either. I mean how dumb would she be to rob you in her own crib? You go to the police, report her, and tell them the location. 141 prostitution is totally legal. I once got into an argument with a 141 girl about money and I called the cops who came and backed me.  Not that I'd recommend that.  (And, some of the money disagreement was my fault - I felt her up before deciding not to complete the deal as she was fat and she demanded 100, which I shoulda just paid..another story)

The 141 walk up scene is the most grubby and the most likely to make you feel tense and nervous. Also the service will be hit or miss (often no BBBJ) and the girls older, fatter. CIM not likely unless you find a review indicating that a girl will do. The141 scene is also a pain in the ass.  You walk around these grubby hot buildings feeling like a pervert looking at pink lights on tiny doors with occupied or "please wait" signs hanging on them, which means the whore is having her box stuffed with another sausage at the moment, but please will you be next?  Usually there are other guys hanging around, even in the mid afternoon.  Sometimes if I am feeling cheap and looking for the most base hooker I go there.

A hotel girl will be low stress, clean, orderly, but run you 900. Suggest a girl in TST that has a branded agent (eg S1 or LG). The phone call can be in English. The girl will be mainland Chinese, not speak any English and unlikely do CIM. But she will be pretty, young and clean. Sometimes inexperienced and will not give great service unless you make it clear that yes, you do want to feel her tits and finger her pussy and have her suck your dick for more than 30 seconds.  This is my usual preference but you may need to give some guidance to get what you want.

A sauna avoids all of the negatives of the other options. Everything will be scripted and done according to a set procedure. You just go along for the ride and enjoy the customer friendly service.  Tell the host you want CIM, he will recommend a girl.  Translate this into chinese and keep that paper with you incase he doesn't speak enough english. Expect the whole experience to take at least 3 hours, but you will leave happy. I suggest you get there between 3:30 pm and 5:30 pm. It will not be crowded and you will get plenty of attention.  Rio is a safe choice, but RTFF. The sauna experience is a bit mechanical after the 5 th time but still enjoyable.  Save your pennies and take the ferry to Macau for a Thursday afternoon.

Good luck, report back, your world is about to change!

[ Last edited by  MickJag at 20-7-2013 21:45 ]

I disagree with going to a sauna for the first punt.  Here's why:

1. There is a certain proceedure, and if you don't know it and don't speak the language, it can be a little intimidating.  Not all saunas have someone available who speaks English, so you may have to wait for them to find someone.  And you have to be comfortable talking about all this with a stranger.
2.  You will be required to get naked in front of several guys and girls.
3.  You will definitely be seen by many other punters.
4.  If you hang out after the deed you will see your girl hit on other guys.  For a first time this might be off putting.

I suggest choosing a hotel girl.  The surroundings are much more natural (3-4 star hotel), and you should only encounter the girl and no one else.  You will only talk to or text an annonomous agent.

Once you have 1-2 punts under your belt head to Macau.

I respect kaleu's opinion, and have enjoyed his many posts. Nevertheless, as I look at the reasons he has given for hotel girl versus Macau sauna, I find myself mulling over the following:

HG = Hotel girl, MS = Macau Sauna

HG is much cheaper than MS.
HG takes much less time than MS.
HG avoids Macau immigration procedures, plus the hour-each-way ferry
With HG, once you and the girl are together, it's "game on", so you need to be ready when you go in.

MS makes you "one among many", which I think is a plus, but some may see as a minus
MS lets you see what you're going to get first
Although MS can be fast paced and frenetic (18, East, Sanado), it can also be laid back and relaxed (Rio, Familia Nobre).
MS gives you time to talk and play with many girls in different ways
While there is a procedure for using MS, it has been written up so many times here that you should already know it before you arrive.
I think the "getting naked in front of girls/guys" is probably net positive. Even if it makes you uncomfortable, getting over that discomfort leaves you emboldened for whatever comes next.

I think the best thing about the saunas is that you can take your time with everything. Worst thing is expense.

Either HG or MS would be fine, in my opinion. HG avoids the stress of "getting there". MS (in my view) gives you less stress while you're there.

Gherk