Hi all,

First of all, this thread is entitled with "our" based on assuming people in each race belong each other and only and not outsiders. I mean, this must be most of our beliefs consideirng most people marry in their race, particularly asians. So, please do not flame me and instead try to understand me for I am sure this is not my PERSONAL issue! However, as we all know this trend is changing - though how fast and how much - is what really really really hurts me deeeeep down inside.

The beauty of our asian women has attracted races of the world and I mean it. It seems wherever you go, and I have been to the different parts of this world, there are asian women and their clients are all types and races of men. Men love asian women, and it seems as though asian women are falling for white men and begin looking down on us. I mean, during my time in the States, I knew of asian women who would freak out if an asian guy asked them out but yet they would date these insanely crazy black/white men even with tattoo's with no real backbone, (no offence, im young and a bit shy), with little family building and working values that asian women supposedly look for in a guy. Last time I was at uni, I saw soo many Asian women white guy couples. I mean 4"11 asian girls dating 6ft guys. That really turned my head and disgust me a bit you know? If a white guy is around, asian women's attitude in a social setting changes completely than if its just all asians. Has anybody else noticed this? Is it just me? Do asian women really desire white men more than us? I even know some asian working girl who does not service white customers cause they are "too big". Then the brown stinky cheap charlies fuck the asian prostitutes. It's like the secret is out and we are all being fooled by some system. What are our own women doing to us or what are we doing? The worst thought is Asian woman enjoy having sex more with other race than her own.

I am really in a bad state right now bros.

I confirm, you are in a bad state...

This is a weird statement. Girls do as they please, if they want to go for a black guy, brown, white green, is none of our business. Dont really understand, just hopeI missread your statement here and that its only because my english is not good enough...

Mate I think you need to take a pill, not sure how this is getting you into knots. Maybe the reverse is true and Causasian women should be getting upset that "their men" are deserting them for Asian girls.
Is it really a race thing? I'm not convinced, what you're seeing could be for lots of reasons and I doubt (thought don't know) if it is a significant proportion of any particular racial group.
South Africa used to have some policies in place to prevent what you are talking about, not sure it worked out very well for them.

[ Last edited by  halfclover at 17-7-2012 17:48 ]

I lived in Korea for a while and saw this with the local men they would go crazy seeing local girl with 'mee gooks ' (every white guy they saw was an 'American' ) whether she was a proper local girl or an 'o pal pal' (red light area in NW Seoul ) provider. paradoxically they would try  to shield the girl from the lecherous corrupt foreigner denigrating Korean culture but at the same time express thier contempt for and disgust with the girl for hanging out (and by implication sleeping with him) regardless of whether she was civie or pro.
I would get a lot of the abuse  also particularly  when the men were drunk.

Land of the morning calm

Keep on mongering

[ Last edited by  gwailoplayer at 17-7-2012 18:30 ]

You are back and you haven't changed your stripes a single bit... rehashing your old anxieties and insecurities time and time again... aren't you bored with it???

Such behaviour delves deep into the psychology of asian women who were born and raise in their respective asian countries.  I will explain this later when i have time.  While i don't agree with jonnyboy, i know that his plight is shared with many asian men...not me though...  

As a primer, jonnyboy's mentality and asian girls' mentality is largely due to the importance of family background and what society deems as a woman's responsibilities to her parents and in-laws, as well as her in-laws responsibilities to their daughters' husband and parents.  

While i personally think the post is somewhat elememtary, i feel compelled to help other bros understand the situation. You may also learn a lot about asian culture!!  While i can't guarantee my understanding is applicable across all asian countries, it definitely applies to korean and japanese culture.

Will follow up tonight...

[ Last edited by  simpleneeds at 17-7-2012 20:03 ]

I heard all the hot hk civies that hang out at lkf go for white dudes. Dunno if thats true. They probably find white gugs exotic, just as many asian dudes find white brown or black women to be exotic as well.

Maybe it is because the international hollywood image of a male is a cauasian. This ideal somehow subconsciously manifests itself when an asian girl, one who grew up under hollywoods influence, goes to look for love.

It may be best not to overthink it, every girl is different and their preferences are not necessarily set in stone. Sometimes an attraction just happens, regardless of race or culture.

the grass is always greener on the other side.

nothing unusual when we all like to buy imported goods, so why wouldn't our girls like imported guys? in fact as pooners if you're asian you would dig differing asians and girls of all races if you could get on with all of them.

Jonny, bay-bee!

Your post is the essence of racism and the very core of bigotry.  You should be ashamed.  Am I flaming you?  Yes, and deliberately so.

First off, Asian women are not universally more beautiful than other women in the world.  The top 10% of Asian women are truly beautiful, but the same can be said for Swedish girls, Irish lasses, French femmes, African hotties, Italian beauties, and so on.

Women will date across their racial division for many reasons: a demonstration of personal liberation, a rejection of cultural restrictions, hell, even for love (who knew?) , and yes, Asian culture itself lays the groundwork by valuing material wealth very much in the evaluation of a person.  In a sense, it is this part of Asian culture that lays the incentive for Asian girls to break the other social norms.

Bros, I hope this post doesn't get too long, but I have a lot to say about this subject.  My knowledge is really a function of having lived in Asia for the past 10 years and growing up in an Asian community in the U.S.  Where do I begin??...

Asian Culture 101:  Asians are born into a various hierarchies.  Doesn't matter which Asian country - Korea, Japan, China, Thailand, Indonesians, Filipinos.  Kids don't realize this hierarchical separation of classes, but by the time an asian hits his/her late teens (late high school years), he or she knows and feels his or her place in society.  

This hierarchical system is relatively black and white - and typically, as one becomes ready to start dating or get married, he or she starts his or her search within their own hierarchy.  WHY??

Asian families rank themselves among each other in a very blatent ways vs. western countries.  In the U.S., "the American Dream" is a good catch phrase to allow one to think anyone can make it.  But in Asia, it is not that easy and generally accepted that there are very few ways to move from a lower hierarchical class to a higher one.  Its not really complacence, its just a cultural reality that shoves it in their face through existence of a generally small middle class, smothered by an enormous lower class and a U-Can't-Touch-This Upper Class.   

By nature, Asians are extremely nationalistic and deathly judgemental.  The one's who feel this the most - WOMEN.

Asian Women Psychology 101:  Asian women are judged horribly.  This stems from cultural and religious ties that require women to be house-wives, fully able to bear children, take care of the husband's parents (who usually think she wasn't good enough for their son).  Not only that, the woman's parents are judged by the husband's parents and expected to be very subservient and "lower ranking."  For many asian women, they realize they will never be able to jump up to a higher level where they feel they will no longer be judged.  WHAT IS THE ASIAN GIRL'S SOLUTION?

Asian girls who are not from the higher echelons of society go after non-Asian guys - they love caucasian guys because for the first time, they don't feel judged...they don't feel the cold blood of a condescending asian man hanging over their shoulder and telling her that her family's gift was not good enough, or that her mother didn't train her to cook well, or that she doesn't have an education, etc.  

My asian friends who have dated white guys (of course, not all) are typically from lower class families.  The goal is for the asian girl to marry a foreigner because:  a) no responsibilities to family; b) immediately elevates their status to their friends...or at least in their own mind; c) they do not have to fear being judged because of their family background and societal satus in their home country; and finally d) they exploit the fact that white guys have no clue about her family background and the meaning of being part of lower socieity.  

Particularly, in the Wanch, you have a lot of WGs who would dream of meeting a white guy...no so much for making money or love, but to elevate herself and to relieve herself of that feeling of constantly being judged.  If a white guy walks in a bar at Joe Bananas, the girls see a gentleman who is: a) wants a good time; b) doesn't mind that the girl works in the bar - in fact...he is happy to see her at the bar; and c) her parents, who probably couldn't afford to be good, subservient in-laws, have zero responsibility to the white guy (I know I though in parents, but asian girls usually think of how they want to be good to their parents).  

On the other hand, simpleneeds walks in Joe Bananas.  Immediately, there is a sense of curiousity from the WGs.  Why is an Asian dude hangin out in a place like this?  They see the asian face and the culture hierarchy mode kicks in as they ask themselves:  a) does he think I'm a whore?; b) who the heck does he think he is for judging me?; and c) probably here just to look at us like circus animals given there are other more social hunting grounds where asians can go to meet civvies   

I guess the key takeaway here, and what I've always thought in my mind, was that girls avoid asian dudes in the Wanch because an innate sensation kicks in through their mind like:  is he judging me?  why is her here?  Does he look down on me?  This is enough for the WGs to bee-line straight to the white guys, who in the eyes of WGs, are here to have fun, show them respect, and help them earn some money because the white guys are more empathetic towards their tough life situations.

First of all, its generally accepted by Asians (both men and women) that if an asian girl is with a white guy, she is probably from a poor family and she specifically sought to meet a white guy in order to safely "hide" her lower hierarchy and save herself and her parents from being humiliated by hoping to meet an asian guy in a higher hierarchy.  She knows that, asian guys know that, and the girl doesn't want to feel like she is being judged for it in front of an asian dude.  In the mongering scene in the Wanch, I'm gonna bet that most of these girls are probably not from the greatest homes...maybe a broad assumption, but generally true, I think...so meeting a non-judgmental guy who doesn't expect gifts from her family (like a high class asian family would), relieves the girls of a lot of burder - thus allows them to have more fun and be comfortable.

Anyways, now going back to jonnyboysly's pyschology...

Asian Men Psychology 101:  Again, asian's are very nationlistic.  Admittedly, sometimes I care, but most of the times I don't.  Jonnyboy is upset because he doesn't appear to understand the personal situation of most asian girls who hook up with white guys.  He probably forgets that these aren't even the girls he really wants to be with (although maybe he does since he admitted he was immature and young).  He also doesn't seem to understand how difficult it is for asian women to go beyond their cultural borders to escape the judgemental life of being part of a lower level hierarchy system.

Holy crap, this is getting long....

[ Last edited by  simpleneeds at 17-7-2012 23:32 ]

I have met a TON of Wanchai bargirls and had a billion conversations with them about everything - including this topic.  I think you nailed it quite well.

Almost ALL Wanchai bargirls indeed come from poor, low status families.  And western-guys, like me, fall completely outside the Asian status hierarchy.  We are simply not part of it and dont even think about it.  A hot gal is a hot gal and we (most of us, anyway) couldnt care less if her background is rich or poor.  They know this.... We are relatively wealthy, and unlike wealthy locals.., we are AVAILABLE to them - not just as a punter, but as a potential boyfriend or husband.

What I have seen - in China, in Thailand, in PI -- is the higher-status girls stick to their own race -- mainly becasue they CAN.  They CAN bag a higher-status local man.  A lower-status girl cannot.  She doesnt have this option in much of Asia.  So, she can date a lower-status local, like herself, and often continue to struggle financially..., or she can go date a wealthier westerner who doesnt care about her status.

I bet the OP, given his stupid thinking, displays exactly this kind of snobbery himself with Asian gals.  Classifying Inonesians or Filipinas somewhere slightly above dirt regardless of their background or education or skills; Thais a bit higher, Singaporeans higher still, etc. etc....

[ Last edited by  wander at 17-7-2012 23:59 ]

Look, the bottomlne is this, I think in general, an Asian girl, given all things equal, would prefer their own nationality.  But if that doesn't work as a catalyst to get out of a shitty society with no upside, I think they are doing themselves a favor by finding a means to 1-up their status and personal lives.  

Anyways, I'm still a pussy in the Wanch.  Always feel like I'm one of those judgemental bastards who just wants to clown these girls...total opposite...its just that I'm too fuckin lazy to try and turn the perception around...

Yes, OP IMHO definitely only interpreting his own insecurities and lack of confidence into a generalization - probably as a self serving justification for his own lack of success with the ladies.

He just needs to grow up a bit and start to realize that his fate is truly in his own hands and NOT what color his skin, how tall he is, what his station in life is and to definitely NOT just to blame others for his apparent lack of achievement

Good luck to you jonnyboysly.... you'll need lots of it if you're gonna be stuck in that state of mind!

SEAN

I think the fact that OP just groups everyone in Asia as Asian just shows how shallow he is. As if "Asians" as a group are one monolithic ethnicity that blends in so well. Consider how different Koreans/Japanese/Chinese/Philipinos/Indians/Arabs/Persians/etc, etc are and how values across the various races in Asia are different.

Seriously OP, take a chill pill.

i would like to add personal taste is a factor.  one example that has been brought up is actress Lucy Liu....many caucasians say she is the hottest asian girls ever.  In the far east, people say she is bleh....dime a dozen.

Ive personally know caucasian men....even very good looking men one who makes a LOT of money.....they marry women who I consider horse face ugly. I bet many asians here would say that too (I wish I could post pics just to prove my point).  They believe they married the hottest model level asian women.  Hey great for them really!  

as my friend says...even the uglies need love

His friend says, "even the uglies need love" and I'll bet the uglies are far better at love as well.

Interestingly my western eyes have changed considerably. After 5 years here I now see the subtleties and often soft beauty in so many asian women's faces. I now see the same things I would notice in the more familiar to me, western women. I now find Lucy Liu rather plain on the surface but like most women she could certainly light me up with the right "come hither" smile. I'm certain I could find the beauty in her face if she would only talk to me or let me kiss her between her legs.. She never calls anymore.

Good points SN, but that's only half of Jonnyboys' psychosis.  The part that's missing is Jonny's feeling that women of his race, whether he wants them or not, are the property of the males of his race, and this is a primeval bit of psychology that lives in the hind brain of every male.  It's the root of much bigotry and is something we all need to conquer if we're to live enlightened lives.

1. if you think non-Asian men are invading your Asian women, then go invade non-Asian women =)~
2. ever tried to count Asian women? There are quite a few of them. Unless you plan on keeping all of them.... dood. You just need one. Well...a handful. haha =)~

Bottom line man. Don't blame others for not being able to land hunnies. It all comes down to chemistry. Even if they weren't going out with non-Asians....if you don't have chemistry with them. you'll still not land'em.

~UD

Yeah starting to think this fucking tool is a sad virgin who has been shot down one too many times by women.

So, I know I've been all feminist and sensitive to women on this thread, and I don't mean to contradict my own argument, but allow me to blow your mind with this question:

From a purely male-centric point of view, are those of us who are being considerate to the girls, freeing them from their social constraints, equivalent to the punter who grossly overtips, thus ruining a good thing for other bros??