Subject: Working girl millionaires
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Working girl millionaires

Look guys, I know that the large magnitude of financial monetary quantities versus time involved in our favourite profession are considerably larger than most common jobs, so inherently it has attracted multiple threads on this topic to date. However, I have a new dimension to this that I find very very very interesting and so I will keep it short and simple and sum it up in a statement below.

Through a cunning calculation with generally plausible approximations, I worked out that, if a working girl sees 2 customers per day for 10 years, she willl become a millionaire. *

*Notably, approximations have included earning differentials across most developed/developing countries (that are commonly referred to in this forum.

So... do you know any girl that is a millionaire from this?

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hunter   8-7-2011 18:08  Acceptance  +1   yes!!! My ex-FB was filthy rich and owns 2 apartments in SZ.
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Post at 9-7-2011 07:03  Profile P.M. 
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Ok, I'll bite, show me the maths.
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Reply #1 dollar's post

Subtract out the time that they can't work because of things like

Monthly period
Illness
family obligations
Having a life
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Post at 9-7-2011 13:20  Profile P.M. 
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She will be lucky if she has 1/4 of a million left after 10 years - subtracting her personal expenses, traveling, agents fee and room rentals. It also depends on her looks and skills, if she is good looking and have all the skills, she might make more.
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Post at 9-7-2011 13:24  Profile P.M. 
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Reply #1 dollar's post

Dollar, an interesting topic for your chosen handle. I'll bite, what currency are we talking? Many assumptions so I'll throw in my own:
1. HKD
2. Average 2 clients per day across 365 days including time off for whatever.
3. Not including deductions ( rent, WG tools, pay offs, food, water, air whatever)

Average 500HKD per client X 2 per day X 365 = 365,000 per year X 10 years = 3,650,000HKD.
OK so she is a HKD millionaire that means 1,000,000 HKD in the bank. So now deduct 2,650,000 for 10 years worth of expenses. 356 X 10 = 3560 days. 2,650,000/3560 = $744.38 daily.

1000 - 744.38 = 255.62 HKD saved every day for 10 years. Doable, yeah, plausable???

Oh yeah 1,000,000 HKD = $128,486.78 USD

No doubt there are math errors included as well as lame assumptions....YMMV
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Post at 9-7-2011 16:30  Profile P.M. 
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Reply #5 PVGoober's post

actually it's 365 x 10 years = 3650 days, which comes to 2,650,000/3650 = $726.02 daily

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simple arithmetic doesn't work here

always fun to speculate, but WGs' account-books are more calculus.

some need to support their families. i've met some who've done that, even buying/building houses for their parents. obviously they work in high-margin locales and repatriate the profits.

but others, esp Thais where there are plenty of Western guys, think they shd snare a sponsor and HE can pay for all that.sometimes this works but often, not. a smart WG will convince multiple guys to send them money monthly. and they do,up to and over US$1,000/month while they're not in town. i compare this to paying a restaurant to close down when yr out of town: NUTS! then these guys will hire a local private detective to "ensure" she's not still on the game, which she is like 100% certain.

it's not all sweet on the girl's end. Thai girls usually have husbands or boyfriends they support, in addition to their kid who's home with their family, typically. sometimes they develop BAD habits: gambling, substances, or simply too much alcohol. i've seen it happen: formerly lovely gals who can't string a sentence together, stumbling wrecks. needless to say, they're not "millionaires."

if you read my Betty adventures, you learned how an uneducated Isaan girl used a minimum of guile to create a sustainable biz, and got into middle-management. to me, WGs shd realize that once they hit 25 they're middle-aged and once they hit 30 they need to start setting themselves up for apprentice-MMS positions, if available. they seldom is ever do. how can u tell a 25-yr-old babe who's getting 150,000 baht monthly from 4-6 different guys and still hustling on the side that she needs to think of her future? she's making more money than her entire village back home! but she's burning through it...

this is mostly Thai as i have seen those patterns there. but when i met that Russian here in HK, i feel there was--shall we say--an organizational structure that was determining her workplace/schedule. it was not a nice feeling and i don't think i'll be patronizing any more Russians here.

few WGs have autonomy, and those who do often indulge in gambling or whatever. in Thailand it gets freaky: i knew a guy who kept this gal in an apt...along with another one in Manila and one in Phnom Penh. as he was married and traveled a lot, he didn't see his trophy-gals much. the one in BKK was 19, uneducated, and getting free rent and a lot of cash from some guy who showed up maybe once a month. so she got some Thai guy to keep her company, got into some other stuff, pretty soon she was pregnant, and all the money was gone. it's inevitable. seldom do they bank the profits, despite the uncertain nature of their revenue-streams.

IMHO it's a great mistake to believe these girls are going to behave like accountants. they have no financial-planning-training, the sums are often far different from their expectation, and they simply can't handle it. thus, any discussion of "WG millionaires" is based on expectations rather than reality. realistically, we can spend time with them, tip if appropriate, and make a small part of their day fun. but it takes considerable skill and will to survive in this biz. age is inexorable, and promotion-opportunities almost non-existent.

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halfclover   10-7-2011 17:02  Karma  +1   Well said & thought through
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Post at 9-7-2011 20:55  Profile P.M. 
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Reply #7 JackTheBat's post

True that, Jack.

Most WGs share certain traits:

The type of gal that considers prostitution an option seems to be the type of gal that does NOT plan for the future.  She "dreams" about the future, yes, but doesnt plan or execute a plan...  It's a daily/weekly/monthly existence and soooo many just dont seem to see that the 1o years between 20 and 30 is IT!  That's is their peak earning period in this career - leading to sharp decline shortly thereafter.

The money comes in, gets spent and dispersed to their families, and she ends her career broke and with nothing to show for it...

I have met some exceptions to this..., and am "dating" one now who is saving for a capital to start a business - pulled her webpages and spreadsheets detailing everything - yep, this one has a plan..., dated another who just exited the business at 24 years old cause she saved enough to buy the land and trees she needed for her farm (sent me pics of her on her new farm wiearing a huge smile!!).  So exceptions exist.., but these are exceptions.

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TheButler   12-7-2011 09:47  Karma  +1   Working girl/Farm girl? My dream girl!
halfclover   10-7-2011 17:04  Karma  +1   Always good to meet such an exception, kind of like a happy ending to the story
JackTheBat   9-7-2011 21:56  Karma  +5   well put, wander, there ARE exceptions, but they're not the rule!
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a contributing factor is the lack of education
wg chose this profession on the same basis you've based your calculations on

to demonstrate with a different analogy, many mainlanders become rich overnight selling their farm land
more choices suddenly become available where doors were not opened to them before
they gamble it away in casinos in macau, splash out on lavish unsustainable lifestyles in hk, the list goes on
for once, they've been exposed to a spice of life that are foreign to them

(slightly off on a tangent) they also lack etiquette and manners
too many times have i witnessed and experienced myself where they show lack of composure
parking in no parking zones, cutting queues, loud and proud in quiet areas and the list goes on...

you would hope that some would come to their senses and do something useful with their new found, lucrative income
but then again, some of us would not share the same view as this would also mean more fish in the barrel
all the same, it is wishful thinking (with some exceptions as wander clearly pointed out) but i don't think if any wg becomes millionaires

even if they do, i hardly doubt they would come out screaming millionaires
it would raise too many eyebrows and certainly raises too many questions
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Post at 10-7-2011 02:24  Profile P.M. 
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Ypu may want to factor in diminishing margin of returns.  The HG will earn top $ during the prime years (late teens to early twenties).  After that it will gradually go downhill unless the reinvent themselves, establish a niche or have a very loyal customer base.  If she is smart and invest in real estate then she should do OK.




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Post at 10-7-2011 03:02  Profile P.M. 
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OK I hate to admit that I generalize about things but I do, gals get into this biz because its seen as easy money. Regardless of the reason that makes them look for easy money that is why they do it, not for love of sex. Generalization #2, most people looking for easy money do not have a plan past getting easy money, hence ultimate failure even if they attain some easy money (which may not seem so easy after all).

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No matter what your job/profession, your wealth over a long period of time is not about how much you earn but what you do with it. I know a number of people who are able to spend a prodigeous amount of money every month, leaving themselves with litle long serm savings in spite of very high incomes. The other side of the coin is that I also know quite a few people on relatively low incomes who save/invent a high percentage of their income and make their money work for them.
So it is with WG's, just that many for a variety of reasons (family, education, etc) are unlikely to end up saving much. Given the short length of ther careers, it is a tough life for many.
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Post at 11-7-2011 17:51  Profile P.M. 
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Reply #1 dollar's post

there are plenty of millionaires WGs in China.

most of them used to operate from 天上人间 in ShangHai, Nanjing and Beijing.

e.g.
the WG below, she owns a white porsche, and charges RMB 9029 for overnight.
No more no less, because that is her lucky number.

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Reply #13 kaka's post

Damn that Carrera looks like she's worth $1,200/night!

How come she's the only one walking around the party topless?




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Reply #5 PVGoober's post

The rate a WG can charge will be a declining curve as age, mileage and gravity takes a hit on the girls. The rate at which this declines depends on race as well.
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My brothers brothers brothers... At the time of writing this post, I had 1 A4 paper filled up with numbers. I cannot seem to find it right now. Biugger! But basically, this 2 customers a day assumption had accounted for the girls expenses. From what I have read in HK it is hardly ever that a WG only gets 2 customers a day - with the amount of bros complaining girls are fully booked and who would invest in come from mainland to HK for 2 weeks for just 2 customers perday? So, 2 customers per day at max occupy 2 hours out of her 10-12 hour shifts that they do. Which customer lasts all 1 hour anyway? There was soooo much more to this calculation as I said I just cleaned out my whole bookshelf trying to find this paper. Anyway, I had made so many assumptions and it worked out to be true, millionaire (in the worlds reserve currency) in 10 years non stop. As many of you critical thinking brothers have pointed out, I surely didnt include family problem, illness and those kinds of unforeseen circumstances, but they are unforeseen right?
It is always great to hear the experiences of fellow brothers in this forum who are certainly a lot more experienced than me and have a lot more insight into this trade.

By the way, I would pay that price for that girl in the pic. Would'nt mind at all. But, I have seen much much better looking girls on the sex141 db in HK for cheaper. Man I love the new videos on sex141. It is kick ass. Best thing on the internet I would say. I watch every single one over and over again.
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