Bros, what I am about to share is probably strictly only understandable by my abroad chinese brothers. This is because in HK, China, Macau etc the majority of punters you run into on the way out or sauna's etc are majorly chinese. There are only minority foreigners. So you will never understand. If you are chinese and live abroad, read on. In western countries like usa, canada, australia etc., there are many massage parlours where the majority of customers are non-chinese. I am talking white skin and brown skin. I am certainly not a racist, that is just a visual comment. Surely fellow chinese brothers are aware of what's going on, and how easily things are given up to reach this point. So how do you feel about it? What can be done about it? What are the future implications of it? I mean it only seems to be increasing. When I was in Beijing, out of probably the millions of chinese people I layed my eyes upon, I only spotted about 5 chinese girl/ foreigner relationships. This too, was on wanfujing st so there is likely money involved. I did see people stareing at these peoples in an unfriendly way - i mean you know when a stare is not normal but of shock, suprise or disgust. Sure many people didnt even care. However, this was the minority and it is very easy to ignore the minority, is it not? However, in abroad countries it seems as though so many "outsiders" seem to get away with chinese women and it is not the other way around. Please ask yourself this, do you ever walk into one of those foreign's strip bar's, brothels, pubs etc where the MAJORITY is chinese, getiting away with "their", "white" women? Come on man. There is a Big Big Big Big Big Problem. This has been a big issue internally for me and I just want to know if anyone feels the same way as me. Am I alone out there? Is this even my problem? Surely it is OUR problem.

I'm not ethnically Chinese but I have heard such remarks/feelings from some Chinese friends (either born and raised here in Asia or in the west). I think one of the key aspects (and this is only on real relationships, not mongering), is that lots of guys (of all races) like and chase "Chinese" or "Asian" girls. However, I do not see my "Chinese" or "Asian" friends chasing White/brown/black etc girls. I only see them go after other "Chinese" or "Asian girls.

Then its a numbers game. I have dated a number of girls of various races because I am open to it. By being open to different races, the number of women I am open to goes up and therefore, I can chase a lot more girls and will probably end up dating a variety of races/nationalities (I have). However, were I only to focus on say, blondes, or Indian girls then the number of girls I could chase would go down.

Having lived in China (Beijing) previously for a few years and going back for work, I actually see and know lots of mixed couples (and money usually, to my knowledge) is not involved (after all the richest guys in China now, especially are Chinese!). Yeah its usually that the girl is Chinese, but as long as the couple is happy and gets along well, nothing else really matters, that's my opinion.

If you are talking about mongering, do not forget that there is also a huge demand for Eatern European/ex-Soviet republic girls and that they are everywhere, especially outside of Asia. Many people here may prefer Asians (I could be wrong) so those are the reports that you read.

yeah, deep down most of us ABCs have thought about this.  Probably bothers me a little bit, but not that much.  I myself am married to a Chinese person and quite frankly had I known then what I know about her now personality-wise I probably wouldn't have gone the marriage route with her.  All the ABC girls I've ever met seemed to be more interested in white guys and quite frankly, a white girl probably would have suited my tastes a bit more.

Great to hear from you brothers. I am not alone in this big world. I'm quite shy and cannot exactly raise this topic with my peers. So it is not just me. Bro sasa, you mention there is a huge demand for "white" women , but yet despite the higher population of asia and hence higher demand, the "white" women in asia are still a minority who see a majority of asian customers. However, abroad for chinese WG's it is opposite. Particularly in countries like australia and new zealand (I wonder if it has anything to do with the rugby world cup?), asian working girls are peaking in huge numbers and in my opinion out number white working girls. It must be heart breaking for some asian men. And it is the majority of white/brown men visiting these asian girls in these countries, even though the number of asian men in these places is significantly higher than the number of asian working girls. You dont see that many asian men grabbing onto these white WG either, only seen a few in my life.

I am sorry if I sound ridiculous, or almost jealous of these facts. Quite depressed. What the heck.

Dollar - the demand for "white women" is a different avenue and I think far less out in the open. Think about all the discussion on this board. Most of it is looking for Asian women. In the US/UK etc, look at all of the ads in the paper, they are for "Asian massage/women" - go to Chinatown, tons of "massage" there. I don't see such things in say "Russian" areas but know they are available. If you go to Europe (say Amsterdam) most of those women are from Eastern Europe, not China (I've been a number of times, looking never trying) and never saw a "Chinese face" a few thais (some ladyboys) but that was all. How about in German FKK Clubs? I have not heard of many Chinese girls there. If you go to regular escort websites in the US/UK etc, there are lots of them with Eastern Europeans, Americans, Indians, Black girls etc. But like I said, given this board and what you see here, it makes it seem different.

I think your view is very tinted. You mentioned in Beijing seeing 5 mixed couples in Wangfujing. What makes you think they weren't both visiting from the US/CA/UK etc and just visiting? There are plenty of ABCs etc who have not been to China much or at all... In this day of affordable direct flights why shouldn't a couple say "Hey we've never been to China, let's check it out?" Surely they will go to Wangfujing on their first time in Beijing and if the girl is "Chinese" ethnically...

There are a lot of mixed couples in many places, and yes its usually white guys. You know as a non-white guy in clubs, people have literally run away from me when I just went to say a harmless "hi" whereas some white guys get surrounded by women before they know it. So there is more at play. That being said, I have dated a few "Chinese" and befriended many "Chinese" girls and some of them definitely felt I was "different" or "exotic" or that they were "scared of me at first" My main point is that many of these girls seem to be more open minded about race/ethnicity than the guys, which is a big role in this mismatch. Then you have the "non-Chinese" guys (like me) who are also happy to chase after them...

Look at yourself for instance. You seem to prefer "Chinese" or "Asian" girls as do many of my "Asian" or "Chinese" friends, and that is just fine. Some of my friends who are white, love "Chinese" or "Asian" girls. Others love blondes and nothing but blonds, people have their preferences. Some like me chase anyone we find attarctive. But the common theme I see is that many "Chinese" or "Asian" guys only chase "their kind" whilst many others are equally happy to chase anyone or more races which includes "Asians" or "Chinese" girls. This last paragraph, whilst talking about normal dating/relationships, could also be applied to mongering.

In "Asia" most people are "Asian" so will be most of the hookers. In "Europe" or other places, most of the whores will be of that kind or similar but if you base your thoughts and findings on what you find here on in the back of some newspaper, then your sample size will be heavily biased. Also remember that the "Asian" especially "Chinese" diaspora globally, especially in the US/UK/OZ etc is a very very big one. Can't say the same about Germans, or Ukrainians etc...

It is good to get ones thoughts out, so no worries. I am just trying to be logical.

Few comments, coming from an ABC here...

1) there are lots of WGs of every race in the states.  asian girls are easier, and cheaper to find in AAMPs and AMPs, and white girls typically charge a lot more.  That situation has a lot to do with immigration, human trafficking, etc.  

2) if two people love each other, why does it bother you so much?  when i see girls who want to date exclusively white guys, i think they're pretty stupid, but that's their call.  

3) saying you aren't a racist, but then implying you have a problem with other races dating chinese/asians, is a bit racist.  

4) i think you need to find out why you feel this way, and get over it.  to say its a big issue for you internally, IMO, is probably a bad sign for your mental health.

don't mean to flame, but just IMHO

I think we have two different issues here, one being the general Asian-white relationships and the other being just Asian WGs.

In regards to Asian WGs in the US, I really don't see the problem here socially. The girlfriends and wives of most of the white customers I'm sure are white, so going to an Asian WG is literally an escape for them, getting something as different as possible from home. While this perpetuates some stereotypes about Asian women, I think it generally works to their advantage in society as they as perceived as more beautiful/sexy than other races and lets face it, sex sells. Quite simply, they're in demand; could you imagine an all black/African massage parlor in the US generating the type of business that the Asians one do? Very unlikely. As others have mentioned, there is a similar demand for "exotic" looks in HK as well, such as Russians, which works to their monetary advantage.

If you're frustrated about the imbalance of WM-AF vs AM-WF relationships numbers around the world... then that's a different story entirely. It is a topic male ABCs often shut up about in fear of looking racist or whiny, but it's quite frustrating and very real... but that's a different conversation.

Don't worry.

This will not be an issue anymore when you grow up, become more mature and get over such ethnic/racial superiority or inferiority complexes.

Chinese WGs are flooding the world, they are getting fucked everywhere by men of all colors even in India, middle east, Africa...

So don't be depressed or heart-broken, you shy handsome thing...

Only if one meet the Chinese here in Mainland China.
Meet the civies, meet the clients on business, socialise with chinese friends, understand the culture, then one will appreciate how great China is and the many wonders we should upon toqards China.


Though in many countries,  the main source of WGs are from China. people should not generalise the whole female in China as cheap or there goes another whore.....that;s what many of my friends/relatives and in overseas and HK tend to perceive them.
I call them ignorant becuase they are clueless about the Chinese!!


china is the world most populous country in the world , appx 1.3 billions, that's appx 20% of world population.
Ratio of Male to Female, appx.1.06.

Estimated Chinese WGs were betw. 3 to 20 millions. how little is that compared to total chinese female in china?

Now, the remaining are civiies, no?

Just because of one small smelly bad egg,  dont go kill the whole chicken farm.
Generalisation is prejudice and unfair.


Come to China and see how rich they are; in culture, in monetary, in friendship and in love....


Call me commie, "Long Live Chariman Mao!!!"......

I suppose you would need to ask the government of mainland china, where most of these girls come from, what they are doing to make marrying chinamen a more attractive option than whoring themselves to foreigners.

Like most problems that one chooses to invent, there is a supply side and a demand side.  You could try and make Chinese girls less attractive.  I suppose, trying to be practically constructive, you could carry out a structured and publicised terrorist campaign against such mixed-race liaisons.  From my perspective, and yours, this is not, in my opinion, a good idea.

You could try and persuade the PRC to offer oportunities to their populace for wealth, development and fulfillment.   I leave the practicalities of that to you.

Or you could try to accept what you cannot change, and try to consider why it discomfits you, and whether there is anything you can do to change within yourself to relieve this concern

SB

there is 2 parts to this topic

#1. i've questioned (an) asian girl on this topic before as she only dates (white) westerners and i asked why?
Simply put: asian families prefers a son to carry on the family name (or what not)
and daughters (although equally loved) feel tainted in this regard (as second place)
the son, (usually) inherits, not just the family name, but also the family fortune
and (usually) the bread winner making all the major decisions of the household
where the female opinions are suppressed and or not taken seriously
their opinion in (white) western relationship would give them equality where their opinions would matter
for that matter, perhaps valued higher than in a chinese and chinese relations

in australia, with diverse multicultural population, mixed-raced relationships are common
due to such a vast demographic, our society have socially accepted interracial pairing

i suppose you're upset due to the unbalanced of this equation
then suppose you should look at it from a different perspective
imagine if your SO was white (lack for a better word), what do you think would happen if you brought her home to meet your family?
chances are, your family would frown upon in disrepute fearing mix-blood are taboo; obviously a cultural belief
because if the scenario was reversed, western families looks beyond ethnicity and instead look for inner qualities if she would match their son

#2.
WG taking on other races (as clients)
back in the hay days, asians were minorities in foreign countries (and perhaps still is)
because they were different, (from stale white girls) asian women were deemed exotic and rare
and since westerners had higher disposable income where more choices available, some chose to extinguished their yellow fever
asian WG's maybe take western clients on because they're more generous?
or perhaps they like a change of pace from asian clients?
or they want bigger penis's from a white guy?

your sheltered view in life (although valid points) is biased to a degree
i'm thinking due to your environment, where asians out number foreigners compared to (western) countries, have not accepted such change has influenced your opinion
over time, population will grow in proportion (hopefully) and number of inter-racial couples grow, perhaps then it will become the norm?

all in all, i think you'd need to accept this and change with the times
this phobia of yours is a thing of the past and you'll need to evolve
the racial stigma will only hinder your outlook in life

my 2c from an ABC's point of view

I am a white guy, my current girlfriend (and the previous one, and the one before that) is chinese, the current is an HK born girl, not an ABC or CBC.  Her parents moved to Vancouver when she was in her teens, so she has a bit of both worlds.  Most of her boyfriends have been Asian men, although she occassionally strayed across the line.  I am a true rarity.

What I find is that most of my friends are very accepting, and most of her friends are as well.  However, single Chinese guys seem to take some offence to her choice of boyfriend, and give me the old stink eye every time I am around.  Some of the married men even sort of give me that look.  I have seen it both from HK and mainland men as well.  It's just one of those things.

In Canada, there aren't so many Chinese WGs directly working as incall / outcall girls, but rather most of them hide behind the curtain of "massage girls".  Vancouver has a somewhat larger number of incall Asians, but that is only because we have a whole bunch more Asian women, the numbers work out.  But in Toronto and Montreal (two other large Asian populations) you are more likely to find Asian girls doing the massage thing rather than straight up WG stuff, even if the massage job includes FS.

I can say also that some girls from Mainland will come to Canada on a student visa, work under the table in a massage place to make enough money to "rent" a husband long enough toget their Canadian citizenship, or having enough money to buy a business that would let them stay.  Many of these girls make for fun massage girls, because they are often very amateur, very much someone's wife or girlfriend, and often totally into the sexual experience.  It can be really fun!

ahhh they are all good.......I'm an eo fucker. Recent trip to vegas included a black, a Pinay, a chinese, a Thai and a whitie and they were all fukin delicious

I'm white, my wife is Asian and we live in Vancouver too.  It is so normalized here that we don't feel uncomfortable at all.  Even the TV commercials use white guy/asian girl as representative of a 'normal' couple.  But we really notice the death stares when we travel, both down in the States and in Asia.  

When I was flying back from China last month, the China Daily Times newspaper given out free on the flight had a full section dedicated to changing interracial marriages.  They noted a sudden uptick in Chinese men White women marriages, and interviewed some of them.  A lot of stories were that it was the women who fell in love and had to be the aggressor to get the shy guy out of his shell.

We are friends with a Asian guy White woman couple.  When we go out to restaurants with them and their kid it is often kind of fun to watch other tables as they try and figure out who is who.

I didn't seek out an Asian girl to marry though.  I was open to anyone and had pretty mixed dating experiences.  I did find that Asian girls were far more polite when approached though.  An uninterested white girl would give you the 'fuck off and die' look, but an uninterested asian girl would let you down much gentler, so I guess I started to gravitate towards them.

One thing that my wife and I often joke about.  A white guy has a stereotype of an Asian woman as being very submissive and attentive.  An asian girl has a stereotype of a white guy who does 50% of the housework and is super helpful.  Then you get married and realize that you are both deluded.

I want to say thank you all very much to reply and try help me out. Various facts and experiences that you have shared have been somewhat consoling to me. It has become a very sensitive area of mine. Whenever I saw this happen, my blood levels were rising. I will be very honest here, so please do not laugh at me and take it seriously. I would even punch whatever is next to me from frustration, like if I was driving by I would punch my steering wheel etc., Way of letting it out I guess became beyond my control. So ridiculous of me. To hell with this. I dont know why I always worry about this minority.

You all are very kind. Thanks bros.

Yo Bro Dolla,

Your primal male self is expressing an innate possesiveness of all females of your race.  This is animal instinct and definitely something you should conquer on your way to enlightenment.  You don't own the territory that is "all chinese females" but your male ego thinks you do.  Just as white culture found black-on-white porn to be offensive solely for the racial aspect, so too does your primal ego see any non-chinese dick in a chinese chick as a personal affront.