Now that everything is moving to TG, there's literally zero value left in pictures. They're either highly photoshopped or of a completely different person.
I don't know what the business strategy here is supposed to be. Punters can always cancel when the girl they booked shows up 10 years older and 20 pounds heavier, as they do often do. And knowing Honkie culture, people aren't afraid to cancel if the food isn't up to expectations.

Yet all the WG and their managers still insist on faking everything. In the end it just means we don't buy anything from them because there's zero trust.
If a WG actually posted a real picture, I'd book her even if she's a 7/10. At least I know what I'm getting and I appreciate the honesty.

Reviews aren't a guarantee either. 99% of all Chinese reviews are fake or paid for. And there's plenty of reviews even in English that are highly questionable.
In the old days I used to just show up at the SPA waiting room and browse the girls there. Found quite a few nice ones this way. But now they all insist on you booking based on their fake pictures.

Bangkok and Macau still have good old fashioned fishbowls, but we're all still stuck here in HK for god only knows how many more months.

Is there ANY way to get better info with punting nowadays, or are we all just going to have to hope for the best and keep cancelling bookings when a fat auntie shows up?

what we can do is just learn how to reject if the girl is not out type
or just read more related reports

sad facts

Yup, I've spent some time on TG to have some faith in the PTGF groups. They are 90% scammers looking for you to send cash by Alipay for camsex then they block you. The ones who do offer FS then B&S. Check some of my recent reports / experience on TG on the forum, should serve as good intel.

Unfortunately even the walk up SPA's majority use fake ads too.

But here's the good news, yes there are some good agents out there on TG, Sasa for one and AQ seem legit with real pics also Mia/Kama.

I've walked out or cancelled more than I've punted recently, vote with your feet, dont reward these establishments. After a while hopefully they will realise they can't do this, give patronage to those places or agents who are honest.

Thats because you are not in the right groups or using the right agents.

Just wanted to add my thoughts on @twiceAweek comment "If you see dubious reports in the English forum do you point them out ?"

I sometimes have suspicions on certain reports here on the English forum but with no evidence I feel it isn't right to point it out especially when it could be a legit report and my suspicions could be incorrect.

What makes me suspicious of a post?
Probably the same as most others. If the post is generic where it fits any WG and heavily promotes the girl/agent. More likely a fake if they are a NN or MM. But sometimes if they are a real "new member" maybe the generic report is also caused by them not familiar on how to write a more detailed report... My point is, without evidence I'm not a fan of calling someone out unless it's very blatant.

There are ways to circumvent your concerns,
ask some questions pertinent to his report, more details on the place and/or the girl etc …
and look at his response or lack of

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Advise to do more research on this forum, plenty of good reports and links to some TG agents / groups with providers out there. Sasa is a good place to start..! PM me if you can't find her link on this site.

All the TG groups that's I'm in show the exact same photos of the girls that are on the agent's ads on the website. Do you mean to suggest in your post that there are some closed TG groups of agents where they will share the real pics?

There are agents who routinely use fake pics, like AO/Happy, CCHG etc。there are then agents who did less with their ad pix. Then you have closed groups with just punters who share real pictures but you need to do your own sharing a lot to get invited to those.

BTW the 141 website is dying. The 141 girls db website is a thing of the past, together with travel agency and analog TV.

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I found out one PTGF TG group offers VIP membership claiming that the gals in the VIP subgroup are verified. Is it worth to pay for VIP membership? Any intel?

AO/Happy is one of the worst. They blatantly post pics of girls that are not even asian and then you ask the agent where they are from and they say they are local lol

How would I find out more about closed punter groups? Are these groups mostly only discoverable through these types of forums?

Also why do you think the website is dying - advertising costs where it’s cheaper just to advertise through social media or TG?

I recall speaking to a gal once who was really upset that another agent has stolen her pics (with face) and started using them for their gals. She even complained to the other agent and I listened to the agent on the voice message saying this was how the game was and quite common, so no point in complaining. He even had the cheek to ask her at the end if she wanted him to represent her lol..!

I have really bad experience with cc. Almost all are fake report and pictures these days.

The reviews issue is even more frustrating. Most reviews on this English forum are just whoring for points, and since they know a fantasized good field report gets more points than a report on a bad experience, most reports around here are embellished or purely fictional.
For me it makes sense to increase the power of negative rating of OP reports so that issue with reports credibility can be discussed.
My last example here is with Bee (Thai provider). Many reviews here were positive commanding her for her looks, fit body and service quality. The girl who showed up was a maximum of 2/5 looks wise, with a very intrusive braces in her mouth that no one mentioned here and a very disproportional body frame (huge head, big torso and super tiny legs). Service is sub par (no BJ skill). Personality is ok, which I guess is what pushed OPs here to rate her positively but honestly it felt like she's this girl enjoying her time and can't believe guys are paying her to have sex.
Now I can't believe that someone can meet her and genuinely believe she's good looking or that her skills are good (except she can really take anal pounding). So the embellished reports are just there for points. Reminder that a couple of years ago, there was this douche who made all these fantasy reports, even when few here on the forum were already questioning the guy, he kept getting karma and had access to everything around until he revealed he was a "writer".

It takes time and effort to weed out fake reports
Not easy and mostly a thankless task

There will always be karma whores in every forum where there's a ladder to climb … but everyone is free to give Ks where they want so there's no way of preventing whoring

You've been here since 08, do you remember the days when even the best reporter at that time in the forum was whoring for Ks even though he already reached the top of the ladder ?

I remember those days .  I have been given few negative points back then for calling few OPs out on their lies.

But even reports about girls who are not on these DB have been purposely embellished, so it's not about this website, it is just about the OPs.
It's also about the value of the content we have here. If most reports become fake and of no value, then the reason for this forum to exist ceases. And I guess eventually there will be another independent  index website like TFMI that tries to fulfill that gap.

You do have to remember that "YMMV" and everybody has different tastes. Regarding Bee, I had seen a couple of positive reviews on her here after seeing her ad for a while online. However, I had never tried her because her face didn't really do it for me in the photos she posted. Granted, there is a ton of PS on photos, so who knows what is really real or not, but she just didn't have that allure. She didn't look bad, but I waited for better options. After the reports, I did consider her more, but honestly when I saw 5/5 for face, I knew that the OPs standards or tastes were different than mine.

So I would suggests taking things with a grain of salt. I don't think there are a lot of guys trying to mislead, but then again, the male ego does always want to embellish a little to make ourselves look better. But I've seen reports here and on other site with real photos of girls that guys raved about that I would expect the girl to PAY ME to have sex with her- I mean, some really ugly women.

The other factor is what a guy wants. Some guys just want a pussy to pound, some are really into anal, some are lonely so connection & conversation are more valued, some just want the prettiest or youngest face. So if one of the girls ticks that primary want in their desires, she's gonna get rated a bit higher in other categories also.

I do think one of the bigger changes from now to 6+ years ago is that there were more reports with real photos. Props to skebe and a few others who still get photos. I kinda got lazy and stopped asking, but it was great when you read a report from blazza, cass, etc., and you got a better since of what they women really looked like.