Subject: Seeking arrangement.com - need advice! Afraid of potential problems
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Seeking arrangement.com - need advice! Afraid of potential problems

Hey guys, need some advice! So I read a little about seeking arrangement from the forum and decided to try it myself. Been using it since yesterday and I'll admit it's easy to get obssessed over it and constantly check it!

Anyway, after browsing through many profiles and sending a lot of genuine messages, by now I've gotten some responses and also one hot Scandinavian blond actively messaged me first. They are up for meeting for dinner which I'll try to arrange.

My concern is, this whole affair is actually making me more than a little nervous and wary.... I've been burned before by scammers (actually, by sextortion blackmailers) so all of this seems a little scary (and exciting too). The idea that if any of them were not as they appeared and I was put in a situation that could jeopardize my reputation scares the hell out of me.

I am however willing to take some risk and determined to meet them and want to know how to best protect myself. For bros with experience in meet ups of these nature, is there any advice for a newbie sugar daddy?

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jeffzeke   3-9-2017 02:16  Acceptance  +6   see advice below.
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Reply #1 Jonpher's post

There's a whole thread about SA in this same thread further back. Read that.
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Hey Ramont, thanks for the tip but I've actually read all of it already. My concern I guess stems more from fear of possible scammers....

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jeffzeke   3-9-2017 02:17  Acceptance  +6   There are definitely scammers out there, check my post below.
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Reply #1 Jonpher's post

First, if you absolutely can't get caught then I'd say don't play. I've only encountered one scammer. She met me at a hotel and wanted me to give her money to get the room. I said I'll get it and she argued, so I left. That's been absolutely the only thing I've had an issue with using SA.

Best advice is only see girls that will meet on your terms that keep you private. Here are my best do's and don't for using SA.

Do's
Do be direct in all your communication about what you are seeking. If you want sex, then say you are seeking intimacy. Lies waste your time and can waste your money.
Do use a real photo on your profile but not one that is close up of your face. Save those for the private photos.
Do develop a basic message that you send to everyone. Once they respond, then get off the site and use text, or Kik, or something like that.

Don't
Don't ever give out enough information to be identified in real life.
Don't ever give an amount you will pay for a sex act first. Always get the girl to give you a figuer first. In the US police can't give you a cost for a sex act as it is considered entrapment.
Don't ever meet a girl at their place the first time. This goes for hotel rooms as well. You don't know the house and you don't know who else could be in the home.
Don't ever pay what a girl asks for initially, unless it is lower than your average amount.
Don't waste people's time. It really sucks to do that.

If you can't meet first in public then insist they come to you. You will lose some because you won't give the amount first, you will lose some because you want them to come to you, you will lose some for no reason at all. Just move on, there are many more out there.

Be smart. If it seems too good then it is.

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jeffzeke   3-9-2017 01:50  Acceptance  +6   These suggestions are golden, follow jake the master's advice.
liveabroad9   2-9-2017 01:56  Acceptance  +3   Much appreciated!
kingstada   1-9-2017 08:16  Acceptance  +4   good tip
ramont   1-9-2017 03:12  Acceptance  +10   thanks for this
aurufc   31-8-2017 15:48  Acceptance  +5   wise words as ever




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Post at 31-8-2017 22:37  Profile Blog P.M. 
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Like Jake said, if you absolutely can't get caught, don't play. That being said, there are also more discreet ways to play depending on your budget.

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Jake, really appreciate your detailed reply and suggestions on how to stay safe for myself, I'll keep all those in mind. I'll be meeting a few girls the coming week or so. Will be interesting to see how those pan out.

On another note... I just need to figure out how to approach the topic of how much compensation to provide... I'm not sure what these girls' expectations are but I get the feeling some of them are wanting 5 figure allowances ranging from 10k to 30k...
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Post at 1-9-2017 11:28  Profile P.M. 
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"how much are you expecting from this arrangement?"

"$1k-$4k a month"

"ROFL. peace"


move on to the next one.
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Kingstada you talking HKD right. How much do you think these arrangements should cost?

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jake.houston   2-9-2017 09:00  Acceptance  +5   He's talking USD i suspect.
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looking for mica pilkem street first week of aug

hi guys, i met mica first week of august 2017, unfortunately, she told me that she will stay only for 4days in the room, shes an office girl, working as part time,  I cant forget her.  is there anyone here have contacts or whereabouts of this
lovely lady?thanks....
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Reply #6 Jonpher's post

One method I use to keep the amounts reasonable is to establish with the girl that I'm not in their area often and I would like to "try" things out by paying on a per meet basis. This gets you in at an entry rate and allows you to expand the rate should you choose for greater involvement.




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Bro, I understand your reservations.  There are some great girls on SA who are genuine, need $ but also some affirmation and enjoy the companionship and breadth of experience from an older, mature, more established and accomplished gentleman.  Their male peers, in comparison, are just immature hacks!  But words of warning below, there are some definite scammers and fake profiles out there, so you have to use your common sense before even getting to the meeting up stage.

1) Their profile gives you a lot of hints about who they are.  Read it carefully and get a sense of who they are, or at least who they are trying to portray.  Some are very short, some leave it blank even, and some are extremely long, like short novels.  I prefer profiles that are descriptive, to-the-point, and show that they have some modicum of intellect.  I even pay attention to grammar, and some of this is generational differences.  The young ones will tend to use lots of slang, acronyms, and poor grammar.  
2) Know for certain that some of the SB profiles are dudes posing as girls.  I've seen guys admit to this on other websites, as a way to find out some info, LOL.  Maybe they are bi?  It's free to sign up as a SB, so some guys think.. why not?  
3) If you have premium access, you can see how active they are on the site, when they last logged on, etc.  Look for inconsistencies.
Many SBs give a LOT of hints to their "real life" info, even putting it as their profile name, or using their social media pictures.  Of course, these can be fake profiles as well, so watch out.
4) A friend of mine got scammed over $1000 by someone threatening them for soliciting an underaged SB.  The profile lists an 18 year old, and through the messaging, they changed to 17 year old.  Then they claim to be the girl's "father" and asked for $1000 via Western Union or they would expose him to his employer, wife, family, etc.  He sent the money hoping they would go away.  Guess what, within a few days, they come back asking for more $$!  He had to hire a lawyer to fend off the blackmail / extortion scheme, and it eventually ended.
5) NEVER give away your real-life info.  Use a burned phone, use a fake name, have an entirely different persona for these type of adventures.
6) Always meet at a public place beforehand, and don't talk about $ matters in public, certainly not about sex.  Just use that time to get to know them.  Then go to your hotel room, car, or somewhere private to talk about the details.  
7) There are some women who are big-time scammers out there as well.  I've encountered some crazy shit.  One conversation with such a person from Singapore, where I'm going next:
             Me:  (paraphrasing) love reading your profile, I believe we have compatible interests, I will be visiting SG in a few weeks, hope we get to meet up!
             Her: Can you afford at least 1k per meet?
             Me:I can certainly afford it. But my willingness to do so depends on what's being offered as part of the arrangement...
             Her: I'm not a machine. If you're boring, just coffee and 1k for my time.
             LOL, needless to say, this is not someone I have much interest in meeting.

I have met up with several nice young SBs, some I've met multiple times, one I'm getting ready to travel with, so it's worth it in the long run.  Takes a LOT of time doing research and lots of dead ends, so you have to have patience and time.

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ramont   4-9-2017 09:17  Acceptance  +10   thanks
aurufc   3-9-2017 21:18  Acceptance  +5   My tuppence - if you can't get caught don't play and never pay for just a 1st date
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JeffZeke, appreciate the extra tips you've given me. I think the boat has sailed a little on complete anonymity for me... I didn't set up a separate number to use for wechat and I've added them with my real account which gives a slight indication of my name. I don't have moments on it though, use it only for work and not socially so I'm not completely exposed.

Guys, I appreciate all the help and tips you've given me, in particular a big thank you to Jake and Jeff. I've been on it almost a week now and have gotten a lot of messages and have spent some good time weeding out profiles and getting to know the ones I'm talking to a little more and so far I don't smell anything fishy so hopefully all goes well.

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aurufc   5-9-2017 10:33  Acceptance  +5   If you want to keep same WeChat account, unlink your number and use WeChat ID
jeffzeke   4-9-2017 09:59  Acceptance  +6   Beware of ones that contact you first. I would start becoming more anonymous immediately.
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Been talking to a few girls and wow, I think the guys on there massively spoil them or something. Either that or they are bluffing like hell. One girl claimed she typically charges HK$3000 for just a dinner. And she used fake photos on her profile, only finding out her real appearance when I asked for photos. Seems freaking ridiculous to me.

I had a very interesting one on one meeting with one girl there and she apparently met Richard Li on it. And a lot of wealthy, semi famous to famous people are using it too in HK. They shower the girls with money and offers of houses and stuff. I'm not sure how more regular blokes compete. If you ask me, even paying HK$30k as a monthly allowance seems crazy to me. Not much if you're earning mid to high 7 figure salary or more but still...

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aurufc   6-9-2017 13:17  Acceptance  +3   I think you need to spend more time reading previous posts here re: SA tips like only go for "moderate" or "negotiabl ...
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Reply #13 Jonpher's post

Seeking Arrangement is mostly for Sugar Daddies/Segar Babies, hence you see high prices and ols buggers who splash money and spoil them.
Hey, look at Rooney's case last week.  Laura Simpson is on SA and asking 6,000 pounds for a date
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