Hi all,

After reading all of the great info on this forum for a while, there is still a question that I can't find the response to.

Here is what prompts me to ask the question.

I have been to curtain bars in Wan Chai twice.  Both times I had a (rather expensive) GFE out of it.  The first time the girl was not better than OK.  The second time I had absolutely great sex, with various positions, anal, etc.  However, setting aside the sex, both times I made all of the mistakes a newbie local expat can make.  I was pretty inebriated when entering the place, drunk some more inside, and ended up overpaying for the experience (~HK$3,000 for the night).  I still had the presence of mind of asking the girl each time to dress modestly and of rushing in the first cab I could find:  after all Wan Chai has plenty of bars where non-punters would hang out (including colleagues, friends, the wife's friends, etc.).  It is not a punters-only place where everyone minds one's own business, as might be the case in Amsterdam's red light district (or I imagine a walk-up in here).  So off I go in the first cab, but after 30 seconds the girl tells me she wants to be taken out to eat and tells the driver (addressing him with "pangyou" - shame!) to stop at the next corner.  As I am pretty drunk and I don't mind that part of the experience, I accept, and I end up making the second big mistake of the night:  we go eat in Wan Chai, then drink in some bars in Wan Chai and LKF, etc.  In short, I do everything I need to be spotted by friends family etc.  Of course there is some thrill to it.  Mistakes do not stop there:  the first time the girl knew the different hotels (I have since found this great list) but after checking them all out (very late at night), they are all full, and we end up going to my place.  Same thing the second time.  You get the picture:  hello doorman, security cameras, possibility to run into neighbors, etc.  Luckily having sex helps me focus, and after our pleasant business is over I manage to find a discrete way of leading the girl out.

I might well be the only stupid expat in town, but this time I thought I will ask before taking insane risks.  I have seen many great reports about nights out, with maps, itineraries, tips etc.  Almost all suggestions include a warning against the curtain bars.  Those who want a more discrete experience suggest walk ups or hotel walk-ins.  These present a significant downside, as you either cannot check-out the girl first (walk-in) or you have to knock on many doors (walk-ups):  no way to chat up the girl and pick her as you would in places recommended on this forum (Escape, Makati, Neptune 3).

So here is the plan on which I would seek your advice.  I tour the recommended bars and discos where I can find WGs and I have a good time and possibly pick a girl:  chances are that if I come across people I know they will be there for the same purpose as me (if the place is WG heavy), or that I do not otherwise need hide my being there if the place is mixed.  Once I have agreed of a plan with the lady comes the harder part:  how do I convince her to exit without me and to meet me at a discrete hotel (either the motels on this forum's list or other places where I can spend the whole night and which have side entrances).  Anyone in here has had success with a similar plan?  Any particular hotels you would recommend (I wouldn't want hotel staff to welcome me by name with a loud voice when entering the lobby ;-)?  Any worthy alternative plans? I have looked at the escort sites but most pictures seem fake and they would present a similar risk as a hotel walk-in.

Thx in advance

If you're a local expat, better to do the walk-up or walk-in options. Once you find a few you like, exchange numbers for repeats.

If you continue with the bar scene, you'll get caught, eventually.....

I am in a different situation to you as I do not live in HK and dont give a shit who see's me I always walk hand in hand with the girl back to my apartment/hotel room but I can recommend Neptune 3 for several reasons 1st being it is downstairs so once you are in only fellow punters will see you as this is a punting only bar, there is generaly a good selection of ladies and finally there is a short time hotel (kings pillow) 2 doors away with reception upstairs so again you can only be spotted entering or leaving  just send the girl ahead of you by 10 seconds and you will be sweet.

When I was there in May there were some crack downs by the police and several girls asked me if they could follow after me and meet up outside the building so you will not have a problem with this request anyway.

[ Last edited by  cruman999 at 29-8-2013 07:12 ]

Bro,

I prefer bars as well... I like to get to know the WG a little before hand. The Bar Guide sticky in the Bar section includes a lot of strategies how to go about this, especially posts 4 & 5.

When you are in Escape or N3 or NM or 109 etc late night early morning, you are not the only bro who is looking for a WG... almost everyone is. So for the few who go to those places just to tyre kick... if you meet someone you know, your excuse that you are only there to tyre kick is just as believable as theirs...

So the ONLY issue you have is exiting the bar with the WG right?

I've done plenty of "walk outs" asking the WG to meet me at the door or walk about behind me or ahead of me etc... Quite straight forward. When you are out in the street, ask your WG to wait against the wall until you get a cab. Once you are in the cab, ask her to jump in. Then it's plain sailing to the hotel.

If she tries the "I want food" stunt... tell her you will feed her later based on performance.

Bros wander and Thai-delight lived in HK as ex-pats and have a lot of experience in this area, hopefully they will add to this for you.

Yeah, I did this a million times.  The bars we mention (Makati, Nep3, etc are purely WG bars.  No civvie gals will be there, and any males friends you meet are ABSOLUTELY doing the same as you.  "Mutually Assured Destruction" if they open their damn mouthes.  Don't worry much about it.  (instead buy him a drink and enjoy a racaous nite girl-chasing together.

If I planned and all-niter I booked a hotel in WanChai (LKF hotel, MetroPark, wharney, etc.).  They are nice and completely gal-friendly (no bad looks at all) and why would any of your circle of friends be in a Wanchai hotel lobby that time of nite right?  Anyway, I always ask the gal to walk 10 paces behind and it is never a problem - they ALL understand the issue.

The issue here seems to be that you are afriad to be honest with them!  Don't you tell them you aremarried??  If not, well of course they might miss your need to be discrete.  Frickn tell them "I'm married, have tons of friends in HK, and need to be careful outside the bar.". They get it.  All of them do.  

I know a lot of peeps like to book hotels in TST or away from WanChai so they didn't have an issuewith a gal choosing to leave early to score a new punter.  Frankly, its almost never happened to me -- once we've agreed to LongTime I can't recall a single gal that bailed on me.  So why bother with the whole taxi thing at all.  Just walk (ahead of her) to your nearbye hotel lift; meet again inside the elevator; and enjoy.  Easy.

Neptune II used to be very convenient for this as its in a back street (not lockhart) and there is no "normal" bar after this one. You can exit and walk without being noticed.
For the girls they are here for the money, so you can definitely tell them to walk behind or ahead. You havent paid so they wont run away!

Also talking about discreet exit if you go to Victoria hotel, there is a side exit, strongly recomment this for being discreet.

Curtain bars? Talked about it many times. You can get a 3some and great drinking experience for the same amount, leave that to the tourists!

Whoever you meet in the bars have the same hobby. If they talk about you, you can talk about them (unless their single then you're screwed...). Be discreet, no need for the champagne bottle though and eating with the gal? Nope...

Another option is the saunas. There are a few on hk side, not cheap and you dont choose the girl but at least no one can tell what you've been doing....

Guys thanks for the great info and insight.  I had seen the discussions in the bar thread, but your responses directly address some of my questions and concerns.

@traveler777 you are right that the bar scene can only lead me to get caught.  The thrill is really not worth it.  But as others are pointing out there might be an alternative to walk-ups and walk-ins.

@cruman999 TonyToro wander and Frenchexpat thanks for confirming that asking a girl to be discrete and not to walk next to me is a usual practice and she won't take it personally.

@Frenchexpat and wander thanks for the tips on where to take the girl

Now it is a matter of putting all of this in practice


cheers bros

I have lived in Taipei, Jkt, Bkk and Singapore on expat basis in years past, all with the family. I play when I travel but I never shit where I eat and sleep.

Be safe and good luck