Ran into a situation a few nights ago and wanted some feedback on what if anything could have been done.

Was out at Neptune 2 and ran into an Indo girl who I had already been with for short time on at least 3 occasions.  I'm on pretty good terms with her.  I guess I'm sort of a regular for her.

On this particular evening, she was hanging out with a couple other Indo girls that I had never seen before.  One of them was totally MCOT and right then and there I decided I wanted to take her out.

I bought all three of them at least 2 rounds and hung out with all three.  However, when I asked the new girl to go for short time with me, she refused.  When I asked why, all she did is look at her friend and say "aren't you with her" and basically left it at that.  I wasn't sure if this was a scenario I could win so I just gave up.  I did not want 3p so did not suggest it because I only had an hour and I only do 3p for longtime, not short.  I don't think it's worth it for shorttime.

Anyways, I'm curious if there was a path to victory here that I did not see at the time.  A lot of this is because I'm not really sure how it works.  On the one hand, if these were civvie girls, then getting that girl to go with me would be ridiculously impossible.  However, since they are wgs, I would think that it would be more about friends wanted each other to make money...?  Or is it that there is some unwritten rule amongst working girl friends where they don't go with each other's regulars?  If there's an unwritten rule, is there any way to get around it other than arranging something on the side (meaning is there a way to get it done right there and then)?

Any relationship other than a "professional" one with a working girl is threading a very thin line.

I think perhaps between WG friends, there could be some kind of code where you don't poach another's regulars especially when it feels more than just a business transaction (even if you're both just pretending... i.e. the GFE)...

Just curious, since your regular was there when the other girl looked at her and said "aren't you with her?", what did your regular say if anything? Did she seemed annoyed that you asked the other girl? BTW, if those two are really friends, they will talk!

Two ways I see is:
1) To talk to your regular... get her view and in the process, understand what kind of relationship she thinks you guys have. While you clearly aren't exclusive, I can still see the situation where some WG's will mind if you go with their WG friend's instead... i.e. its ok to see other WG's, but not those that are my friend's... some possessiveness factor... Other girls are focused and purely professional, and I know these have no qualms recommending their friend's to you to try...

2) Now if you're not worried about what your regular would think (purely business, no friendship or anything else), then when the other girl ask's "aren't you with her?", I would have said "I paid to be with her a few times before, but now I want to pay to be with you"... But having repeated already, perhaps you've slipped just a little past the just a business transaction stage and into an unattached gf stage...

[ Last edited by  angst at 30-10-2012 15:38 ]

Sounds like a good opportunity for a Ménage_à_trois

I have encountered this situation in Thailand on many occasions.  This is what one of the Thai WGs explained to me...

WGs are very conscious of who "belongs" to whom.  Repeat customers are valued.  A WG gains "face" among her peers by having you as a repeat customer.  For you to then make an overture to another WG in her presence -- particularly to a friend -- is a loss of face.  And of course the second WG is not going to compound her friend's loss of face by accepting your offer.

Here's the way to work it.  Privately pull the first WG aside.  Tell her how much you want to see her again, but you just love a little variety (she's a WG, she will understand).  Then ask her if she would do you a favor.  Ask her if she would ask her friend to go with you for the night.  This way she can gain face by being the go-between.  And her friend can then safely accept because she is then giving face to the first girl by accepting her offer.  

Slip the first WG a nice tip, and I assure you everyone will be happy...  

Have fun, CGP

Yes.., once you've become a regular (3 times with a bargirl is definately entering "regular" mode) and clearly your gal told her friends you were her regular, than it must have been quite humilitating for her to have you ask her friend right in front of her.  If they were not friends it would not have been a problem, but c'mon Bro, think about them as girls first...  A very high likelihood to have that reaction.

I know a group of 4 indo WGs.  All buddies with each other.  I eventually banged all 4 of them. But quietly.., not in front of each other.  One of them even said "dont tell Susie.., she thinks you are hers....".  She still fucked me, but wanted me to keep it quiet too.  

What you went thru is common.

As far as my regular goes, it's not like I talk to her at all outside of the bar.  She's just someone I've pulled from Neptune 2 on multiple occasions.  There's no real relationship or anything, although we have fun at the bar when we run into each other.  I actually thought of myself as just a repeat customer for her, not as somebody who she would "claim".

End of the day, I guess I pulled a real douchebag move if you consider them as girls first.  Not that I don't, but I've met soooo many girls (particularly in Escape) who are mercenary so I guess I think of them as professionals first and girls second.   

So... lesson learned.  Instead of taking the stance that it's all business, I do need to consider the whole concept of "face" that CGP mentioned, and act accordingly.  Makes sense.  I like the strategy of getting consent from my regular to pursue the second option.  That would seem to make everyone happy.

Thanks for the info.

I dunno but this seems like a HUGE step backwards in the world of punting.

I mean, the reason we pay is for the girl to leave, right?

Getting consent, approval, pre-authorization... for a punt, it is just so counter-intuitive...

I agree with this completely.  I just got "rain made".  I'm in Makati and just spent two hours buying three girls drinks just to find out that the girls just hang out for drinksand don't go out.

Spent about $1200 on drinks and had fun but when I go to Makati I expect to be able to close the deal after this much effort.  Sucks.

Sure, but we're not discussing the way it should be, but rather the way the girls' see it.  There might be a rare WG who'll swing your way, but the vast majority won't and, even though we're the ones paying, we have to work with that terrain.

You don't have to play the game, but if you are after the GFE a regular gives you, you have to play the game with some BFE aswell.  Asking her friend to fuck you right in front of her is not a good way to buld or maintain that high-grade-GFE.

If it is just a pure sport-fuck than 141 walkups are far easier, faster, and cheaper.., so why bother with bargirl-freelancers and these games at all, right?   I got bored quickly with just the 1-hour anonymous, impersonal WU punt; but that said, the barscene definately has its drawbacks as well.  Hell, I have even triggered a couple cat-fights in the bars over my tenure.  Rare, but it happens.  Booze added to the mix also changes the dynamics!

[ Last edited by  wander at 31-10-2012 04:29 ]

True, but really this polite arrangement is quite common for all types of business.

For example, if you are a housing developer you usually call your "goto" guys for windows, flooring, hardwood, etc because you've used them before and you've developed a relationship with them (some good, some bad).
If you were unhappy with the flooring guy and wanted to change, you wouldn't engage in serious business discussion with his direct competitor, right in front of his face, right? (unless you wanted to be an asshole and wanted to send a special message)
You'd do it off to the side, on the down-low.

Same thing applies in the business of punting I guess.

Well said bro!

This exact thing happened to me in Pattaya in our regular bar. I bar fined the same girl my last 3 nights there. A few months later when I was back on business (only 3 nights) I went in her bar & the mama san informed me she was off for 2 nights, so I decided to bar fine a girl who was dancing very sexy!

The next night my regular girl was back, I did not realise the night before was her last night off! She was very angry with me & I tried to play it down. She lost face, I made it clear that when I am there I do not want to be just with her as I am on holiday.

We came to an quiet agreement, I can bar fine other girls, just not from her bar

China style yes!!

I had the same argument once with a Bro "Why the fuck you need to get an approval from a WG to fuck another WG!!??"  

Some WGs from certain part of the world, e.g.  SEA and South America are pretty possesive and sensitive with customer they fucked.

I admit, I am pampered and spoilt in this part of the world;  WG dime a dozen!
If I want to play GFE / BFE or feelings and getting myself emotional, I stick with my civvie GF and wifey!!
WG, I fuck and move to the next one....

I always say the same thing, some friends of mine... When we go away or go out, they stick with the same working girl...

Totally crazy!

They have SO's at home & even when we go away for however long, they stick with 1 WG.

very strange. the walk-ups have quite a different attitude. Used to visit Ubi over at 80 Tung Choi a number of times, and she would ask me what type of girls I liked, and would recommend that I visit certain neighbors based on my preferences.

Indeed, the Freelancers do have a very different attitude.  Many ARE hoping to find their prince charming to sweep them away into a better life.