Sup bros.

I just went to a walk up for massage. Started at the top floor. And then I went pretty much to the first room. So the woman invites me in and I enter. I start asking questions like how much. And for how long. But she starts answering in mandarin.

Unfortunately, I don't speak a lick of mandarin, nor did I did her looks completely appealing. So I decide to bail and try walking to the next one. By now she has already taken off her bra so I got to see some titty.

But on my attempt to walk out an go elsewhere. She starts saying that I have to pay her!?? Like $50. But I don't think that's right. I'm confuses. But then she points to some sign in English saying that "look no touch, pay money. Otherwise callpolice". What!?!! I decide. That's a bunch of bs. And I don't like that sort of business model and I won't enjoy the experience with that sort of threat.

She blocks the way to the door. Physically stopping me. An holding the door. Stars to pull the phone out. And I'm thinkingshe must be trying to call police. Or her pimp for protection or something. I have no idea. Mandarin got me hella scared.

Finally I'm able to push her out of the way. And I bolt on the fuck out of this building for fear of a pimp or some kind of protection showing up and me losing my cash on hand or worse.

But damn. What the fuck happened!? Bros, I was legitimately scared today. And I don't think this hobby should be like that at all.

Anyways. I think the lesson for me was. No never enter. And just decide in the first 15 seconds in the hallway.

Stay hard.

Ive seen those signs and seen guys' pictures posted who ran without paying.  for 50$, save yourself the trouble.

Three things:
1) never go inside till you have the basics sorted. Once you're in, you've kinda agreed to do something.
2) it's $50. That's nothing. Pay it. That's like risking trouble for the cost of a happy meal.
3) pushing past her? I'd be real careful there. Up till then you did nothing illegal. Physically pushing could be called assault if she did call the cops. And that would suck for you. It would also give a pimp an excuse to pound you. You made the wrong call there.

You asked for advice. Sorry that it's not what you likely wanted.

Damn!  Glad I read this thread!

Up until now I would have been with HardyHarHar and would have considered the girl a ROB.  But seeing JimStevens and Twice advise otherwise I will give up the $50 if that ever happens to me.

Hardy, I'm assuming that you didn't ASK her to take her top off?  I always chat up a girl before entering, but I could easily imagine being cajouled into a girl's room to discuss fees and then have her whip out her saggy titties and demand $$ as her little scam.  It's never happened to me yet, but it's easy to imagine a girl saying "no talk money in hall" and suckering you in.

In my modest experience the walkup girls have all been reasonable.  I even had one girl where we had a legitimate misunderstanding/disagreement about services but we happily worked it out to our mutual satisfaction.  In the 141 world I've seen beautiful, I've seen old, and I've seen ugly, but I have yet to see a true ROB just trolling for $$ without putting out.

I think this is bad luck, I have never seen anyone get into this situation unless the provider has already taken off her  clothes or helped you with your clothes or otherwise touched you or let you touch them. however in some of the provider's minds, the fact that you come in side and the door is closed means you have committed to the deal.

Next time decide while standing in the hall :

if you want to do her
if she will do what you want (e.g. DFK, DATY etc)
how much she wants for it

don't go in until all these are clearly sussed and understood between you both.

I think she was just trying it on with you and given the dubious security and morality of the whole situation ( note what she and you are doing in the room is completely legal here) expected you would capitulate as recommended by myself and the other brothers here and simply pay the 50 and walk out. most of the time it will never go like this, but you have to expect the 50 is the cost of doing business and you will be hit with it. look on it as Karma, other girls will give you excelletn service and some will even refuse the tip (it has happened, albeit rarely)

Again as I have told folks many times some classic advice given to me by my father a long time ago but of course in another context:

"Don't get your ass kicked to save a lousy 20 dollars"  and he was talking about USD.

Assume any threat to call in the calvary is real and will happen. I have a local friend here who was merely in the wrong place at the wrong time and had the wrong words with the wrong person, and immediately thereafter was seen dialing on his mobile phone, and this wrong person assumed that my friend was calling out his Triad reinforcements, so this wrong person called out his own Triad reinforcements, and of course my friend was merely making a call to someone else to say he was in route to meet them. Sure enough the wrong persons's Triad reinforcements rocked up and seriously kicked my friend's ass and he was in the hospital for several days recovering.

be safe

Keep on mongering

[ Last edited by  gwailoplayer at 12-2-2012 15:40 ]

The girl is right bro.

Basically by walking in you have agreed. You could of stopped her getting business if another guy was there and wanted to see her. Similar thing happened to me before, but I did not walk in, I was trying to negotiate at the door and decided not to and she still wanted money...

Just to clarify ... if you're an experienced walk up monger, you'll never enter her room unless you're sure you'll be doing her ! Treat stepping into her room with both feet as your acceptance contract !!!

There are some walk ups (usually older and lacking in business) may entice customers into her room and then negotiate ... the john enters and she immediately removes part of her clothes ... unwritten rule is you need to pay no matter what happens, I would then advise instead of argueing about it, just to go and finish the what you're there for !
what this WG charged ($50) is nothing !  usually they will be asking for the full payment or close to it !  
so I say, instead of getting your knickers into a twist, fuck her, pay her and get out of there !!!

and for thenext time : remember not to enter the room even I she drags you (which some will do) !

The thing is - and I completely understand - it's embarrassing as hell to stand in the hall and discuss finances with a WG. Especially if there are other punters around. But this is something you just have to get over. In Europe, where it is usually a brothel-type situation, you have to get used to making all of this clear before anyone takes you back to their room - and that may be in front of other people - some of them other punters. Again - it's uncomfortable, but you just have to get over that. Because the alternative is what you went through - and that's a lot more uncomfortable!

My suggestion - use small short sentences. Don't be afraid to use words like "blow job" and "anal sex" - if thats what you want. And when you are done, recap: "So, I am going to have X and Y and Z, and that will cost me $800 - OK?" Until she nods and agrees, you don't walk in the room, go upstairs, etc. If you do this once or twice, you'll get used to it.

Protip: *smile* as you do this - makes it less weird, and your prices and service will likely improve.

Ps. Same applies to taking WGs out of bars. If she didn't agree to it in the bar, and she didn't agree a price, the odds are good it's gonna be an issue in the hotel room.

[ Last edited by  Intenseslacker at 12-2-2012 19:15 ]

Thanks everyone for the replies.

Like I said, the ultimate lesson here that newbies can benefit from is to NOT walk in if there are any doubts at all. What happened to me could have potentially been big trouble - thankfully it was not, but I just bolted out of that building as fast as I could and ran like I was running from Nazi's.

Perhaps this might be useful for other newbies to know explicitly not to make the same mistake as I did. Though I do believe it is somewhere in the FAQ to not enter unless you might get a nasty surprise later.

I lived, and I learned... hopefully some newbs reading will also.

Stay Hard.

Hey Twice, I agree with your procedure being the wiser one and I plan on adhering to it from now on, but up until now I almost always discussed the deal with the 141 girl in her room.  It just seemed more appropriate, usually her fees were posted on the wall so it was easier to read than verbally communicate, etc.  I never ran into a situation like HarHar's, but in retrospect can see how one could be easily scammed by an old bitch with a quick release bra!

Anyway, this is a lesson we can all benefit from, since even if you don't get scammed by a ROB, it's also possible for the situation to just get confused and confusing.  Words to the wise and all that!