Regular punters will have experienced this at least once... WG agrees to overnight stay or long time... and tries to leave early...

The obvious thing is to say "cut the crap... a deal is a deal", however then you may be left with a BLACK face and in this case better she goes anyway. How do you handle this situation? Any strategies to avoid this problem.

Here's what I do...

If I get even a "hint" that this will be an issue, I have 2 prices. A price if she leaves early and a price if she stays the night. I make this totally clear at the start so there is no expectation that the "overnight" price applies for 1 pop. This way the girl knows what to expect by leaving early.

Sounds obvious but it is something I didn't always do and was an problem occasionally when I decided I was satisfied I had enough and yet the girl still wanted the only price we talked about for the short stay she was with me. I have also had 2 Viet gals try and pull the "I'm leaving HK back home on a 7am flight tomorrow, can I please go home to pack?"

Any other thoughts or ideas?

Yep. all the time.

I tell them come, gimme a morning BJ and breakfast in bed.
Then you can leave with my $$.

But usually the sess sucks.....

Nothing much you can do about it, just pay and scram...I go back to sleep.
you can call the pimp/manager, but they dont give a shit.
You can bitch and goes into drama, things will get worse and you lose your interest.

So, I just grab the gal and fuck her like a rabbit. Pay and get out of my face......

and we are not talking bout 5Ks / 10Ks, so no biggie.

Never pay in full upfront though. You get screwed!!

By leaving early, she is indirectly telling you that, she do not fancy your ass and she wanna get out of there asap.....so why keep her?


Once there was a KTV gal I had who left in the middle of the nite.
So I paid her $300 (her overnite fee was $800). I told her, if you want the balance, come back in the morning and give me a wake up BJ.
She never came back.
I bumped to her twice and she asked me for the $200 I owed her (1 pop, supposed = $500).

Not until the 3rd time, I bump to her again in another KTV flower street.
Karma shit!!! so I paid her $120 (i only got that much in the pocket).

[ Last edited by  hunter at 15-6-2011 12:07 ]

Maybe  a trade in such as activities that the WG normally won't do.
Such as a ? video? and for some bros here, anal sex?

xThunderx's proposition has some merit, ie. "sure you can leave early, a quick CIM and you can be on your way", not a bad idea. I think the trouble is that for an overnite you might go two pops in the evening, sleep, then a morning glory to end the session. The overnighters sometimes look to head off after one or two pops and you miss the morning session which is actually my favorite thing.

Being clear on expectations upfront is the key and gets you the most milage in my view & I like TonyToros idea of a two tier payment plan to secure the full overnite session.  Works best with bar girls becasue you can have a relaxed conversation with the girl herself about what yu are looking for, timing etc, all well in advance of paying your $$ over.

Only time I have had the problem where it really annoyed me was when I negotiated with the agent for overnite, got him to explain it to the girl in my presence, & yet she still was heading off after three hours or so. I objected but since she didn't speak English it made the communication just too hard and I relented in the end and waved her goodbye. I wouldn't want some unhappy chick in my room while I am sleeping, could end up badly. Better than everybody is happy in the deal.

I think it just goes with the territory and you have to suck it up for the most part.

Paying up front is the obvious mistake, and I've done that one before.  Mostly my overnights have worked out well, so long as they know they're getting cashed out in the morning.  I do like ThunderX's idea though, and the next time a girl wants to leave early I'll trade her for a poke up the pooter!

This issue of "runners" comes up quite frequently in the Philippines boards.  As all the bars are pay before you go... there is little to no recourse for the punter if the WG leaves before hand.

I had one runner...

I am sure I will have more.

If they wanna go, they go, nothing you can do will change it.

Payment upon departure with terms clearly outlined that leaving before the agreed upon time results in a decrease in payment.



For the story about the KTV girl, if the girl leaves before the agreed upon (ST/LT etc)  or does not provide the basic pop in the morning (given that you gave enough time etc) I report them to their mommy. And pay for the service I received.  No pops in the morning is ST, just because you fell asleep in my bed then rejected me in the morning, does not count as Long Time darling.

If the girl tries to pull any shit about oh I am sick I need to leave the room, I am drunk I am going home etc etc... either I keep her in the room and tell everyone to not talk to her, OR report her to the KTV and Mommy.  Sorry honey.  No double sitting fee for you tonight!

Happened here for me... http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/viewthread.php?tid=13962

Just paid the one shot price and kicked her out.

just to clarify, I don't ever pay up front. I'm talking about the times you've had a pop and relaxing and then the WG tries to talk you into letting her go after you had originally agreed to an overnighter.

It's happened to me twice with Viet Gals over the last few years.

Dealing with the VN gals reminds me of what NASCAR racers would say about each other..."if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'"

I never cared too much for overnight, it feels a little weird sleeping with a stranger to me, but I know a lot of guys like it.

As you can see from the thread, the value doesn't seem to be there unless you really hit it off with the girl. Dividing the fee makes perfect sense though if this is how you like to play.

Make them drunk.
They wouldn't want to leave early.
The girls I bring back usually wake up at 12pm.
I have to squeeze their nipples to wake them up in time for the before-checkout-sex.

imho, there isn't an unwritten rule in regards to bailing early
if she expresses her desire to leave early, then so be it
no point for her to stay if she's not going to give you the best service for the rest of the session
rather she takes her leave than for her to stay and give a sub par service
otherwise no one leaves the session a happy camper
you'll just have to suck it up and try someone else next time

tbh, we choose this hobby and pay for short term gain
overnight sessions are simply prolonged short term satisfaction
no hobbies comes without drawbacks
i'm afraid this is one of them

in my experience, only times i have successfully completed overnight stands is if i have had long term relations with the agent / papasan / mommasan
through the agent, repeat business is good business, its in their best interest to keep you happy
always report your experience so they know and make recommendations
no that they will do much for you if she was a lousy lay, but perhaps they will make an effort to find someone decent for you

sad to say, but better luck next time

I've never had a prob with Macau overnighters, but here's a tip I learned in Buenos Aires.

Always negotiate for ST (short time).
If after the first pop you find her service enjoyable, then sweeten the deal for LT.
Confronted with the prospect of possibly not finding another punter and the additional hassle and commute time, she will likely give you a good deal just to stay til morning.  It's a win/win at that point

I agree with that. Hence my suggestion to ensure she knows if she does go early there is a difference in how much $$$ she leaves with. No argument, all understood.

what happened to me was actually different. Picked up the girl in the bar and agreed on overnight. Both of us a bit tipsy already. Went back to the hotel. First thing i did when we go to the room was bang her while she was undressing! Then she went to the toilet for a shower. I was still resting on the bed. After a min or so, i decide to join her in the shower. Nearing the bathroom door, i over her on the hotel phone to someone....saying that she is a bit drunk...staying at this hotel...but i didnt hear her giving the room number. After that she hung up! I have no idea who she called. Obviously the smart thing to do was paid her and asked her to go. I didnt even let her use the shower. Just asked her to get dress and go! Only consolation for me was that i managed to bang her! A real pity for me cos she was a good fuck and horny as hell too! Short for another time!

Since I do NOT generally like sleeping with strangers - even if she happens to be a SYT, I ALWAYS also negotiate short term deals.

On the times that a gal or another really does rock my boat (and it usually is a mutual "rocking of the boat), it just becomes natural that she does stay on afterwards; fortunately and somehow or another, I've never had any problems with the amount I eventually give her in the morning or whenever it is that we do go our separate ways.

In that sense, I do believe that its probably best for me to always only negotiate ST - and just let nature take its own course if there's something "more" to the tryst than meets the eye/when I first meet a gal/negotiate with her.

My own druthers and I'm not advocating this for others - especially those who's definition of a good time is to pop several times duirng the course of an overnighter. For me, I'd rather save my bullets for a gal who I really click with instead of commiting myself to more.

SEAJ

It's worth mentioning that I was also reluctant about "sleeping" with a stranger for a long time. And it is still rare I do it unless I know the WG quite well. Occasionally if something really tickles my fancy I'll do it though and on those occasions I take precautions in advance. Prior to going out for the evening (just in case) I will put all my valuables in the room safe and zip up my suit case so it's quite noisy to open. I have a special place for hiding my laptop in most rooms. I slide the door chain across etc. I've never had a problem but I guess one cant be too careful.

My original post doesn't only apply to ST vs overnight. And over the years I have had a problem with this issue twice. This issue could also apply when you negotiate say 3 hours and the WG wants to leave early. Same strategy can apply, negotiate 2 prices so there is an understanding of the consequences of leaving early in advance. As has been said in several posts... if the girl wants to go... better she goes than hangs around.

Regarding ST versus LT, in South America the practice is to negotiate for:
1. One hour
2. Two hours
3. All night (toda la noche)

Option 2 is the scam.  Generally, WGs charge 50-100% more for two hours versus one.  And guess what, they ALWAYS try to leave soon after the first pop (so think thirty minutes!).

Noobs in SA: negotiate for the shortest time possible (as that's what you'll be getting regardless).  Then if overnights are your thing, start at 50% additional for all-night and work up from there.

Me?  I like overnight -- not for the morning sex (how do you guys tolerate morning breath?), but i like the gfe feel.

Once I was a noob in Rio.
So I ordered 1 outcall to my hotel for 3 hrs.
Since I assume I understand Porto and the mama also assume she understand my broken spainish, the gal came and stayed for 6 hrs.
I paid upfront though but she didnt leave earlier. LAter, she told me in body language (again I assume I also understand) that i paid the overnite price. 2 pops and 1 anal.....supposedly multi pop.


Not sure how's the actual pricing, prolly I got lucky or both parties were misinterpreting wrongly...

It sounded like you were going to get an overnighter for free since she was a bit drunk and usually the accommodations at the hotel are better than their dorms.  

Better to be safe tan sorry as she my have told her fried to come in the middle of the night to rob you of whatever possessions you have in the room.