A lot if reports are indicating this tragic downward spiral trend.  

- China forever lost it's mens heavenland n is getting stupid expensive when comparing average salaries
- desirable Phillipine girls now taken by older k guys.  Prices going up
- Thailand soapy quality is just a shadow of itself. Gogos have no takeout girls.
- last report on Singapore was bad
- vietnam punting scene is unfriendly n full of scams
- japan is getting approachable but still expensive. Fukn bbbj with a hottie can get more expensive than a honey girl.
- korea puntung is it's usual xenophobic self even though just a generation ago the girls would polish any GI's knob for some spam
- Indonesia... The last one holding out.

Tell me if I'm wrong?

Sure Thailand isnt as good as before, also the exchange rate with € is shitty.
But Thailand is not only soapy and gogo (and in the gogo the majority of the girls are there for Barfine if you are ready to pay absurd high price).
Plenty of massage shop, beer bars, disco, street walker, social network girls, ecc...

In Thailand you can still have a full PSE BBBJ-FS-ANAL-CIM for 1000/1500b

Untill that more and more guys will going in Thailand first for drinks and over pay the girls It will always be worse.

I'm getting on a plane Friday to fly 18+ hours. I ain't heading to the Middle East. While all of Asia may have some more complexities than before, it still far outshines anything else on the planet.

I'll keep coming that way to enjoy a couple of weeks of relaxation and companionship.

asia is still the place to be. i'd disagree on vietnam - it's a goldmine imo. not expensive and the girls super hot (prefer light skinned here). very underrated.

korea is good too, expensive and you need a local's help to get the best deals/places

missing from your list is taiwan - very underrated. cost may be more than SE asia but the GFE is awesome, esp if you can speak a bit of chinese

Although I don't get to punt in many places but I had my fair share....and I have to agree on "far outshines anything else".  

~ LIKE ~ Macau is a little overpriced (to me) but the setup is interesting (pick costume before enter room).  

~ LIKE ~ HKG 141, what you see is what you get, lower cost too

~ DisLike~ Too bad Dongguan not like before, hopefully those days will come back to life again along with the reasonable pricing of course.

Dongguan will never return to its hey day.

It still is the best punting ground I ever experienced. Nothing and I mean nothing comes close.

But life goes on and I still think Asia has a lot to offer.
Like everything prices go up and we just need to accept that.

I bet everyone's salary has increased in the last ten years so why complain about working girls salaries increasing. It's all relative.

Obe

All boats rise with the tide.
Places are getting more expensive because there are more jobs available. More jobs mean fewer people go into the sex trade. Supply and demand. If punters are willing to pay more, then they will charge more. There are also more people around that can afford higher prices. If you want cheap fun, follow the garment industry.

~UD

@stinkyfeet

Your rating's description above got cut off: "Taiwan I just hear its dis..."  -- disappointing?

@stinky: Looking at prices I think economics are rather stable. Based on my preferential target group (18-25 yrs, good looking, rather "high class") the ratio of median income per country to price per punt (PPP) seems to be rather stable at around 8 times. See table below... I know it is not perfect: disposable income of the target group vs. PPP but the proxy seems to work.

I think we are going to be on a worldwide trend towards a Nordic approach of P4P... sad but that is likely the reality. So better be happy that Asia is lagging this trend.

Maybe, it is time to head to Africa and sample some African pussies.  Prices are not exorbitant (my last punt was 4 yrs ago in Tanzania and went really well.
Am planning a next trip there again

@stinky: flappo's chart is simply a ratio of price per punt vs avg salary of a 18-25 yo. exchange rate doesn't apply as it is a ratio.

I guess what he's saying is, if price is a big factor, then go to a country with with the lowest wages for 18-25yo, since the price of a punt relative to the avg salary is relatively similar.

I can't really comment as I seldom leave Asia. My perspective is limited to FKK trips in the Frankfurt area--Dr A loves to remind me that it's the pricey option, and he's right, but if I have a single day to spend in Germany I'm going to max it out. A trip to a high-end FKK is a bucket-list item for any monger. Gorgeous Romanian girls (mostly) with pornstar-level sexual skills--spend all day and have at as many as you can manage. Fabuki.

Within Asia:

China is never going to be what it was. Those great saunas where you'd get 90 minutes for anywhere from 300-600 RMB are gone. The streetwalker scene in Zhuhai was like nothing I've seen before--it too is gone. I had one of my top ten punts EVER at the "Red Rope Lounge" in Shanghai--that's been shut down. You can still get blown/laid in Chinese cities but it's not gonna be what it was.

Phnom Penh when K-11 was open (for me: 2000-2003) was unique. STs for US$5. Girls would stay overnight for US$20. The village was dusty and rusty and until you'd bathed at House 14, you didn't quite realize what mongering could be. So many tiny Vietnamese sweeties, SO MANY. Some became legendary.

From 2003-2006 or so it was still a great scene. After that it slowly devolved into wretched "hostess bars"--the Viets stopped coming, the local gals look good but it's the "nothing happened until midnight" syndrome now, meh. Some still claim interest, but I'm not one of them.

Thailand is still good. I've written my suggestions so many times I won't repeat them. Bangkok and Pattaya are fertile ground. The big change is the go-gos, which have learned to truly fleece customers. You need to keep your wits about you in Thai cities, and some scenes (like the Lao-staffed brothels in Udon Thani) are gone. At its core, Thailand is still a top destination.

Singapore has a legal district but CBJs are the norm there. Apartment-brothels staffed mostly by Thais are hit/miss but usually a good time, sometimes a great time. You have to hunt around, just avoid Orchard Towers which is best left to drunk tourists.

Hong Kong continues to be one of the most diverse and value-for-money destinations around. There are 141 walk-up girls I've seen for years--skip a few months and they don't mind. Great head, great fun, cramped quarters but that's what you get with these property prices...easy to get around, Thai and Chinese mostly, but you even find Eastern Europeans in walk-ups nowadays. A few Indonesians here and there. There is of course the DH parade on Sundays if you're into that sort of thing. The Wanchai scene if you want that.

Prices for walk-ups have not kept pace with, for example, rents. There's a lot of competition in Hong Kong, LE is typically benign, and all-in-all it's got the best scene in the region in terms of diversity and value-for-money.

Thailand may win the value-for-money prize, but it's not as safe and almost all providers are Thai. Not that this is a BAD thing, it's just the way things are.

My two cents...

JtB

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I been in Phnom Penh once in 2010 and it was a great disappointment. I had planned 6days and 5night there, i really running way after 3 days and back in Pattaya.
Garage brothel in street 63 were awful and lousy.
Freelancers at Walkabout, Heart of Darkeness, Martini (Viet gals) provide crappy service
Beer Bar were more expensive than Pattaya.
City were dirty and ugly
TukTuk drivers scam
Sure i dont want to come back in PP anytime soon.

Singapore CBJ? Thanks not for me.

Just because you're too stingy to pay for quality doesn't mean asia punting is in a decline.

"Just because you're too stingy to pay for quality doesn't mean asia punting is in a decline."

Have you ever read any of stinkyfeets reports? He is a valued member of this forum.

You have been a member since 2011, wrote 7 reports, roughly 1 a year! And since you are a member for so long, you should know that useless 1 line replies that add no value to a report a no longer allowed.

hi, Indonesian here
I don't realize any declining in indonesian nightlife
Alexis still heavily crowded, eventhough the new governor bluff that they will close down that place
Malioboro also crowded 7 days a week
Emporium still OK
Colloseum not so crowded, maybe the price is above them all

feel free to ask me about Indonesian nightlife, especially Jakarta

I'm not sure I agree with Thailand and Korea.

In the case of Thailand I've yet to see a bar that wouldn't let a girl leave unless she was 16. A lot of times they make up bs excuses but after getting to know a few people at a bar in bkk they said it's because the girl is underage and they don't have an ID that hotels in the area will accept.

Fir Korea, ill admit it is hard to get started but once you figure out where to go and how to do it there aren't many barrierrs. Stay out of clubs because they are racist. KTVs will ignore you unless you are with Korean men. Other venues however are happy to provide service.i am a huge proponent of out calls some of the best girls I ever had came from Korean OC.

Korea. Most of experience was actually in busan.  I went to a few lowend ktv with tge factory I was developing with. I hated them. Girls were hideous. I started to solo at the at the rld. Mainly in bujeon, haeundae, and another I forgot... Been almost a ten years since I last punted there.

I got the feeln that koreas sex scene was huge before. When I got there and stayed three months half of the rooms were empty. In the case of green street(?) 75% were empty.

Oh man the girls in bujeon were gorgeous......  Haeundae more experienced WG.

Regarding thailand bangkok. I started to read that some gogo girls are only for drinking. I witnessed it myself when I visited Bangkok on biz.  Went to soi cowboy about 11pm. Had a drink with a cute girl (not baccarra or crazyhouse).  She was 22 she tild me. Didn't look underage to me... Than my tour of bangkok saunas a year ago.  The huge saunas were mainly devoid of quality talent. The lord and nataeree were the ones with plentiful girls. The heyday of bangkok saunas seem to be over.

So perhaps gogo quality is getting better but gogo is just one facet of the sex industry....  I need both to be happy lol