Subject: [Philippines][Manila] Stella/Fleur- Telegram (RAW)
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[Philippines][Manila] Stella/Fleur- Telegram (RAW)

Fleur Fortevilla aka Stella
Agency: N/A, Freelancer
TG Handle: @syera_cum2, @syera_cum3
Age: 19

Face: 10/10
Body: 10/10
Service: 7/10
Skill: 10/10
Overall Experience 8.5/10
Fee ₱10,000 all inclusive

Face: Her face is 100% accurate in person because she wears little to no makeup
Body: She is very slim but with very youthful and sizeable boobs for her figure
Service: This is where she is lacking because she is reluctant to give intimacy or GFE, which is understandable for some sex providers
Skill: Excellent mouthwork, excellent riding skills

Context: I had a fair amount of experience by this point but I was always fascinated by one thing.What does doing it RAW feel like? I search on various Telegram groups looking for those who offer RAW, I even ask them details on how they ensure safety for their clients and themselves. Most of them gave shady and unsatisfactory answers except her. So for those curious about how it feels to RAW someone and nut inside her, this girl is for you.
Disclaimer: She is not available all day, everyday, her schedule is by reservation so you have to book way in advanced.

Deed:
So I waited in my hotel from 11 am letting her know I already checked in. After hours of waiting passing the time watching tv, and surfing on my phone, my bedside phone rang. She entered into the room wearing a cute one piece sunday dress. She smiled at me and apologized for being late. It was fine because she already told me beforehand that she would run a little late. So potential availers keep in mind to communicate with her very clearly about your schedule.
We started the session by introducing each other and a little bit of small talk. After a couple of minutes we started the STD testing. This test is REQUIRED for all those interested in availing RAW with her. No if or buts. She also gets regularly tested for Hepa B and other sicknesses.
After coming back negative in the two tests, she showered and we lay on the bed.

Since she was a reluctant to do intimacy I told her to start by lightly grinding her LS against my jr. It felt good, she was warm and I could feel her lips below slide on my LB. I could also feel the slight tickle of her pubes. (She prefers to trim down there instead of shave it all off). After a couple minutes of grinding she was wet, and I could feel it. She was moist down there and I was hard as a dang rock. She starts to blow me and I could tell she was experienced at this. She sucked and licked at the same time, used different angles with her mouth and changed up the pace every now and then. After a good few minutes of sloppy BJ, the main course was about to be served.
She handed me her phone and told me to record. (She asks her clients  for permission to record so she could sell these videos as content) (It is POV so your face wont be shown) (Its also kind of my fetish honestly which is why I agreed, WIN/WIN for both of us)
She goes on top of me in CG position and I entered her as she lowered her hips onto mine. Let me just tell you that it feels frickin' amazing. Don't get me wrong, the sensation is close when you have a high quality cover but its not quite the same. I could feel the juices and the warmth on the skin of my LB. I was honestly amazed the I didnt finish right then and there.
She starts to move and the slickness and warmth of her walls and love juices were mindblowing. After a couple minutes of CG where she alternated between straddled and squatting, we went into reverse CG. After a good 6-7 minutes she told me she was tired. It was my turn to move. I asked her to get on all fours so I could enter her in doggy. Jesus, let me just say RAW DOGGY is a different breed brother. I started to pump her in and out but I could feel myself filling up fast, so I stopped and asked her to face up and I could do it mish. I played with her boobs and kissed her body so my jr. could rest a bit. Started pumping for a couple minutes and when I was filled up again I asked for a bit of rest so I could record the moment I finished inside. I took her phone and told her to finish me in CG position. Rode me for a couple minutes and I   inside her. No other words to say except GOD DAMN. I had saved a couple days worth of load and her LS just squeezed all of it right out of me. There was so much it naturally spilled onto the bed.

We went into the shower cleaned ourselves up then took a break. I treated her to some snacks and water and we talked. She was a straightforward and humble person. No facade or any traces of disguise. As long as you asked her questions she was comfortable with, she would answer them candidly. She is very wise for her age.

There was supposed to be two rounds but unfortunately I had a hard time getting up the second time naturally. (Wish I knew about vitamin V back then ) Time runs out but I couldn't extend because I also had to run off elsewhere.

Honestly, I feel like recording the whole thing made me distracted from finishing too fast. I was amazed by how long I lasted, this is probably because recording the experience helped distract me from filling up

Main takeaways: Amazing face and body, excellent stamina, but lacking in GFE/intimacy (if thats what you're into), just remember to bring your own STD test kits if you want to avail her RAW package

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@krunpet63
There are multiple telegram groups that she is in. The sad reality is the “legit” telegram groups do not exist. The best filter we have as GMs is to join paid/premium telegram groups that verify their PSP/walkers prior to joining. (Joining fees range from 100-500 PHP)  The free walker telegram groups are crawling with posers, dummies, and scammers. Had to learn all of this the hard way.
For a taste of what they look like here is an example: https://t.me/walkergc
For those wanting to check this group out, I urge you to exercise extreme caution and vigilance. There are endless ways bad actors can scam you for money.
Aside from walkers and PSPs there are also lots of other sellers of ilegal content/etc which isnt mcot but you do you.

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Reply #2 johnwicked0413's post

@krunpet63 Yes, as there are only ~8-10 slots in a month to book with her, so she requires at least P500 to confirm your booking with her. I actually doubted her in the beginning as well. She dispelled this doubt by doing a “live show/video call check” in her TG public group chat. Shouting out my username and calling me out.
Also, most legit provider in Telegram keep a proof of transactions group/channel. Usually, the correct/legit Telegram handle is provided within the group/channel so that potential clients are guided accordingly.

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I know a few others.

Great write up! Honestly I come here for stories like this. And to share of course.
I've been building up the courage to try this myself. Taboo; I know, I know!

I have a list of a couple others who have told me they'd be willing (and the type that get around) if you're interested in trying one before I have the chance?

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STD kit price and where to buy

@Kaikik45 I bought the test kits off of lazada.
Here is the link: https://s.lazada.com.ph/s.lQeMR

Do note that HIV and Syphilis test kits are separate, so you will need to buy two of each. For Hepa B, I already tested previously in a clinic so I just showed her that one. For her Hepa B, she periodically takes Hepa B tests in clinics and shares the result in her Telegram channel.


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QUOTE:
Originally posted by johnwicked0413 at 27-7-2024 04:16
@krunpet63
There are multiple telegram groups that she is in. The sad reality is the “legit” telegram groups do not exist. The best filter we have as GMs is to join paid/premium telegram groups that ...

Agree... I've tried traversing these telegram groups and most would show the same posts of the same lady everyday. And when you look deeper, the user is clearly scamming. Better private GCs that are pay to join

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Reply #5 johnwicked0413's post

@johnwicked0413 thanks for sharing this. Have a follow up question. By any chance do you know how accurate these are? Have seen other HIV rapid tests that use a drop of blood. But not the ones for TP (Syphilis). I'm curious if you or anyone else has looked into the origins of these kits? Hard to know these days since anything can be bought online. Thanks.

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Reply #7 Offshore2's post

Rapid HIV tests:
4th generation test (testing for antibodies and p-24 antigen): accurate after 6 weeks
3rd generation test (testing for antibodies only): accurate after 12 weeks

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I will be honest, I don’t know how accurate they are exacty. She is the one who suggested I buy these. Since she is an escort I just trust that it is in her best interest to buy a good product.
ALSO, she’s been doing it for a while and there has never been negative feedback from other clients. More importantly, she only schedules with around 8 clients in a month, with frequent updated medicals shared publicly in her Telegram GC.
As I’ve said before, I was only curious about doing it raw. I don’t see myself doing it live again with an escort anytime soon. Basically it was a calculated risk I did out of curiosity and horni .

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@lanrete Try the Durex Fetherlite condoms. I believe they have the least difference between feeling covered and raw. Though there will still always be a difference. Skin to skin contact will always give you the most sensations but of course it comes with great risk. Best to practice safe sex.
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by johnwicked0413 at 27-7-2024 06:43
@krunpet63 Yes, as there are only ~8-10 slots in a month to book with her, so she requires at least P500 to confirm your booking with her. I actually doubted her in the beginning as well. She dispelle ...

Thanks for that, I was trying to find some telegram groups for the Philippines but that does seem like there's a list anywhere here. Good to know there are scam groups becasue I'm sure those are the ones I've found so far The Hong Kong ones seem more organized.
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Reply #11 robi22's post

Wanted to support OPs comment regarding being very careful about TG groups for the Philippines. If you don't speak Tagalog that marks you automatically as an easy target. Similar to OP I Iearned the hard way and I do know some Tagalog. The good news is what will protect you a lot is many of these groups operate online using the local Gcash app. It's not really accessible by foreigners unless they live in the Philippines and have a local bank account. Good news because once you send money it is gone. So lots of not so fun experiences of how local users pressure you into sending money and you get nothing. Especially for VCS. It might not seem a lot to foreigners but local scammers do it because of the volume of suckers and its easy money.

The bigger problem is if you do get scheduled and end up bringing a good amount of cash to a meet then you could be in personal danger of being robbed or worse. Then there are VCS scams like them taking video of your VCS then figuring out your real identity for blackmail purposes.

I was lucky and found a decent GC but there is currently a lot of drama rn about people in the group starting another chat and stealing gents and girls. So don't ask me for details. Its a lot of money in the PI so be very careful. People get robbed or killed for less.

My recommendation for the budget and value oriented try the MPs in QC (search for my post on this lvl 20 required). If you can brave the traffic then with a SR you at least don't have to worry about B&S.

https://forum.sex141.com/viewthread.php?tid=92362 (lvl 20 required)

To my surprise I had a good experience with an outcall spa recently (need to find time to do a review), so I'd count the ones advertised on MTC as something to look into but note the ATW tends to be pricey.

TG is only for the experts and with PI knowledge. Even though they are not cheap I've heard read enough good about Manila Courtesans to say try them (do a regular girl first then try to get into VIP) if you have no Manila experience. Also keep in mind time and location. Most TG are outcall and with Manila time and traffic having a girl show up to your location in a reasonable time frame (not 1-3h late) is a big plus. So basedbon reading here do Manila Courtesans if your a total noob in the PI. Not the cheapest, but better safe than sorry and they have a VIP level that seems to have legit pics.

Also be very careful with raw in the PI. I'm highly doubtful your getting low volume girls. The cheaper the price the higher the volume. So even if they show you a recent test that can change quickly. I used to think BBBJ was safe, hah!

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Agree on TG being for pros only. Most sex scams happen here. The main thing to keep in mind is that if anyone asks for a down-payment, or if you plan to buy content, it's better to meet them first irl if you can. Otherwise, I wouldn't recommend going in blind.

In terms of going raw though, I've encountered Stella and know her irl name and details from sloppy censoring on her videos and content before she blew up her price and committed to this work. I wouldn't recommend her simply because of attitude issues.

If you know about MPs (massage parlors), I have regulars that I know personally enough (real name, facebook friend, that kind of thing), so I can reliably call them up for raw sessions from time to time.

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Thanks for sharing this great experience

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Tip for my brothers that don't have a Gcash app for paying. If you are in the Philippines, you can opt to transact Gcash using retail stores that offer them. You just need to find a few in your area and ask to "cash in" on a number. Although girls also prefer cash at hand.
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Reply #13 Bigbaloney's post

I was in the Philippines, met a girl there. We had a very inexpensive and quality vacation. Even the communication was quite interesting. Anyway, I've been buying videos from her for a year now. So yeah, it's better to know a girl IRL before you buy something.
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Just to update, Stella/Fleur is now pregnant. She announced it on her TG Channel.

Congrats on being a dad!


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Just to update, Stella/Fleur is now pregnant. She announced it on her TG Channel.

Congrats on being a dad!

Apparently shes still working?? Lol crazy

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Apparently shes still working?? Lol crazy

Gotta feed the kid right?
Maybe I should contribute to the scholarship fund. I'll be in PI next week

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