Interesting topic this has turned into! Not so much related to OP’s topic, but perhaps I should explain why I choose HG's and WU's over bar girls from my personal experiences.
For me, punting in HK is already quite dangerous and even from non-punting experiences, I've found out and learnt that HK is just a small small place and there are just too many eyes and ears around. Thus, for me, I don't feel too safe to hangout and spend time in bars in Wanchai, out in the open, getting to know the girls first. BUT definitely, I agree, if at all possible, getting to know the girl first and having a connection is a preference...
Clearly, I don't have the years of experience that many of you had. I've only been at this for 3 years. Mainly with HG's, WU's, KTV's and Sauna's in HK, China and Thailand. Admittedly, my bar girl experiences are more limited but its for the reasons above that I stopped.
Alot of negatives were mentioned in association with HG's... the only one I buy is the dead-fish girl who is also usually a girl you don't connect with… hard to predict when, but even this has been rather rare for me in recent times. This year I've only had two unsatisfying punts (I will put all this down to smart picking). One HG and one WU. To put that into perspective since I recently prepared the stats for another post I was going to make. In 2011, I've visted 52 different HG's, 11 WU's and had multiple KTV and Sauna trips in DG, SZ and HK. Now I'm a repeat kind of person, so if I find someone really good, then I revisit. So add on the revisits in HK, which is about another 60 punts and the total ratio of bad to good is really low.
B&S is probably the other big negative mentioned for HG's but I don't buy into this as for the most part, it can avoided with smart picking (spend time on the forums and read... it doesn't take much to understand the good and the bad). I've only been B&S four times ever. Three times were early in my punting career (these things you just learn...) and once this year. For the most part, walk away if it happens. I get it though, if you are just starting out, that may not be the easiest thing to do. The first three times I didn't walk away (as it turns out, two ended up being great sessions), but the B&S this year, I turned around and called the next person on my list. I now have just over ten agents that I can call who I know will not B&S me, but every now and then, I will try a new agent and take a small risk.
It was mentioned and implied by many that the nature of HG visits is 'quick and impersonal', but I will beg to differ. It takes one session to get to know the HG. At the end of that, you will know whether the session was bad, whether the session did its job and leave you satisfied but just a one time thing, or whether the session was great and you want to just go back again and again. I have made it a rule to never ask a HG for her number or any contact info. If they want it, then they can ask me (only one time, have I ever regretted not asking for contact details myself... but that's a different story)! What I am trying to get at, is that its not that hard to get them to want to see you again for whatever reason. I'm no stud, and I don't throw money around with expensive gifts etc... but as I’ve added contacts over the years, I realise that I now have so many contacts, that its hard to keep track and there’s also not enough time to go see them all! When in HK, I’ve limited the going out with HG’s in HK when they aren’t working to just four because of the same reasons I avoid bar girls, but sometimes its just been too tempting, but stupidly risky!
When they’re back in China though… Now its true that the girls come from all over China, but you will find that alot of them (maybe half) that come to HK as HG's spend quite a bit of time living in the Guangdong area (Shenzhen, Dongguan, Zhuhai, Guangzhou etc…). What this means, is that other than returning to the hometown for special occasions or emergencies, they will largely be based within 2 hours of travelling from HK. 80% of the time they are free whenever you ask them/they ask you, and I’ve done many of these trips over the 3 years spending the day or up to 3 nights at a time in China just hanging out, having fun, and crazy sex. I’ve paid an average of about $1500 for 24 hours of fun and this is not because the girls ask for it. Actually, only once was money ever brought up beforehand. In all other cases, just before I leave, I hand them a small stack of money and tell them its for their ‘living expenses’. I think it was SEAJ in another topic that mentioned paying everytime or something and I agree. Even if they don’t ask, I pay.
Okay… this is much longer than I expected. (I’m going to skip some WU stories I was going to add till I have more time). What am I trying to say? I think its possible to get all the fun and connections you get with bar girls with HG’s with minimal negatives, yet minimising the risk and danger of being too open in HK that I myself am trying to avoid.
Of course, all this assumes its not hard for you to get away from HK to China and also clearly knowing Mandarin is a definite plus since while sex is a universal language, to really connect, talking is important too otherwise there would be a lot of dead air! | |
