I think the thinner the condom, the smaller the size. When I was younger Kimonos were a popular thin condom, but I always broke them-too small, and too desensitizing anyway. Their larger Beyond Seven was a better fit, a different kind of latex, and the green color rocked. I want to say both were made by Okamoto, but it was kind of weird...the Kimonos they made for Japanese market were different than the ones made for American market.

I think if the condom is well lubricated and fits well, it will serve it's purpose. Otherwise, you're going to get numb quickly, and your experience will be frustrating.

My friend.... you're reading WAY TOO MUCH into my posts!!

Really - coming up with a more appropriate titles....can be interpreted into respect or non respect for anybody??  
Hell - hopefully/inevitably all of us will get up to that vaunted position - no?

And the Mods - especially Twice - easily knows when they're getting disrespected - right?

SEAN - Me - would I EVER disrespect anybody??

Get yer ass on to paladin's latest about OC
http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... 9531&highlight=

And about Las Vegas
http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... 9503&highlight=

Great informative read plus he's gettin' lonely there with all you guys congregatin' here!

SEAN

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 20-6-2012 18:27 ]

And that appearance is the ONLY thing that counts?

What makes me ask this question is DArtagnan's helpful post #4013 to me here, specifically his:

"...Observation 5: please go through the Forum and count up just how many Ratings there are in various threads rebuking members for one-line responses and other infractions, and notice who they came from.  'Nuff said???  ..."

I have always rated recalcitrant posts with +1 Acceptance point, but now see that the only thing that appears on my rating comments - as limited for these rating comments - does look as if I am ONLY castigating them.  But what no one except the particular member receiving the rating sees is THE REST of my rating comment. These are a couple "standard" rating comments that I have saved on my computer and always use:


I HAD THOUGHT that awarding a +1A to first rebuke, then to follow it up with guidance as to success (hopefully) on our forum would be preferable to just ignoring such posters, and to allow them to continue such behaviour and  – sooner or later – to really come a-cropper with others docking him K’s.

Anyway, I just wanted to ask for you guys’es opinion – especially DArtagnan - if I should even stop doing this?

SEAJ

"hell is full of good meanings, but heaven is full of good works"

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 20-6-2012 23:47 ]

I've been monitoring this IDLE CHAT THREAD since i was a newbie.
I just read and if certain discussions/topics that were brought out by fellow members interest me, that's the only time i would participate a little and that was mainly to share some insights.
Never did it ever came to my mind that i should hang out here and wait for Karma Points.
In fact it was the author of this IDLE Chat thread and some MODS that encouraged me to provide reports if i want to increase my RA.

Actually i was very surprised that this thread w/c was acknowledged for a certain time was moved to the non-posting CREDIT Veggie section.
Don't know about the politics behind this but we all know that be it good or bad, the Forum Moderators have their reasons so we all have to respect that decision.

Fellow members, let's just continue to support this IDLE CHAT Thread and hope that one day, it will eventually be recognized of its importance and moved back again to the Monger's Lounge coz for all we know, we do brought up topics about mongering here where we discuss and even debate over it.

Btw, instead of creating a thread for this, may i just use this IDLE CHAT thread to ask for some assistance from my fellow members?
Anyone here who can help me out by translating in english the context/meaning of this poem? I just very curious over it . Thanks in advance.

It's a poem: I will put it up on Chinese and you can google translate even though google translate never give you the correct meaning:

長相思 title of poem

下水流
泗水流
流到瓜洲，古渡頭
吳山點點愁

思悠悠
恨悠悠
恨到歸時方始休
月明人倚樓

Lowrider,

Haha, you pushing me to the wall or something? Yes I was referring to 0.01 condoms, the one that The Doc gave me. He even tested it in water to see how waterproof and elastic the condom was. I used it for a while and then I got scared of the whole China Made condoms and I stopped using it. Here is a picture of what the condom looks like. They advertise as 0.01, but i doubt it's that thin, but it's still thin to fuck up your performance though.

Just my though!



AsnDragon

yeah... Google translate not much use - other than for humour:

Sauvignon Blanc title of poem individual

Under water
Surabaya flow
Flow guazhou Ferries head
Wushan little worry

Think yo
Henyou You
Hate to returning tenor Hugh
Monthly Ming Yi Lou

I think it\'s about her period!

Hmmm.. u hit it right on the head (haha, "head")

I still got hundreds of those condoms since they were cheap to buy.  Now I doubt I'll use them.  They do mess up one's performance.  and as SEAN said, they feel more .10 than .01.  I'll stick to the .02 or .03's from a reputable brand.

Well 0.03 from okamoto is suppose to be really good. quite expensive too. But honestly, I find that they aren't all that great though. I mean i perfer to use Durex brand more than 0.03 nowadays. i find that the okamoto is really tight especially the 0.03 and that affects my performance and also makes "cumming" a bit uncomfortable. Anyone else have this problem?

I still don't know what the hell to do with my condoms.

You could use them as finger condoms if you have a cut on your fingers. or you could use them to cover up the vibrator so yourtoys remain clean.

who knows...it was cheap so doesn't really quite matter. We all get influenced by The Doc. LOL!

AsnDragon

This i quite funny. because in Chinese 泗水 translates into Surabya , the city in Indonesia. But that's not what they are referring to though. If I were to interpret it, it's more about the sorrow of a women, from tears to hatred to sorrow. Or it could just be a poem about her beauty. really too deep.


AsnDragon

My opinion is "the meaning is in the outcome you get, not in your intention when writing"

Of course I saw you posting all those comments, and I said nothing ... so I've not paid much attention to whether they work or not ... did you track to see if your ratings work OK?
Did you get replies and responses?  
Did the people you rated become more enthusiastic about posting, more informatively?
Or did they just disappear with their tail hanging limply down?  
... and what about all the newbies who only saw the opening line on your rating, permanently on display on the thread, and were put off by it?  

When I feel the urge to confront someone's actions, I believe a one-size-fits-all approach has limited success.  

I try to follow the principles of
- tolerating and encouraging individuality and diversity
- giving people a chance to find their own way to fit in and to fix themselves if they are disruptive
- escalating only when necessary and
- always only escalating gradually and progressively.  

What all that means in practice is, when I see someone doing something against the community rules, or doing something I feel is potentially disruptive,
  I first wait to see if they do it again, or is it part of a bigger pattern
  then, only if they are persistently disruptive, do I approach them

My view is the respectful way to give feedback in an open forum like this is to
  1. investigate their history, and take it into account
  2. write a PM, outlining something you like about their contribution, what they did that is disruptive, how what they did affects others, and what you want them to do differently in future
  3. only if they ignore the feedback and continue, would I use a (publicly visible) rating, +A first, -A if they ignore the feedback
  4. using -K if they continue to repeat
  5. and escalate to mods, with the full history, if they don't respond to -K

I guess that sounds like a LOT more work than a knee-jerk copy-and-paste of a standard text, doesn't it?
And yes, it IS a LOT more work than a knee-jerk copy-and-paste of a standard text!!

But I also believe taking the time to make an individual response a lot more likely to get a positive outcome than shooting from the hip ...

Oh, and I ALSO believe it is NOT AT ALL necessary to confront all infractions equally - that's a robotic approach, which assumes each person ignores the actions of all other people.  
To maintain appropriate discipline while allowing freedom and rewarding self-discipline, it is sufficient to confront the most extreme infractions only "pour encourager les autres".  Others will see what took place, and will take the feedback you gave to someone else to heart as if you directed it to them.  

Longwinded?  Sorry ... you did ask ... and this IS the ICT!!!

Thanks DArt – that is precisely the kind of reply I had wanted –something as means of introspection and as a sort of check-list.

On feedback – I’d say that for every half a dozen or so who I’ve sent my “missives” to, I’d get a PM respond which are for the most part positive (I’d say over 95%) and most would actually thank me!  Thus reinforcing my thoughts that what I had been doing is something OK.  The only 1 sort of negative response I can recall is a guy taking exception to my calling his one liner as “fluff” LOL!

But that is a very good point about other newbies who only sees what appears on the board – and I now think that I should have toned down the first part that appears – with the “missives” buried in the latter unseen part.  Great observation!

And as far as my approach to when I would embark on writing my message to these newbies, I USUALLY follow my own “5 rule” – which is that I would be clued in on such action when I see 4 consecutive posts by the same individual (as newbies are limited to 4 posts within 1 hour) and when I see his 5th post, I’d consider that this is PROBABLY the start of behavior that should be put on notice. I would of course also check to make sure if all his other posts are indeed just fluff and act accordingly.  In fact, I actually have more than 2 “templates” of comments and would use the one that closest fits correcting the behavior shown.

And, yes, I HAVE observed that at least a couple or so (at least!) of those I had sent my message to had gone on to proper participation on the boards.  And whilst it would for sure not be appropriate for me to actually name these individuals, I truly wish that these guys would get back on here to validate my thoughts that what I had been doing WAS of actual usefulness to the forum as whole (and had been what kept me doing what I was doing!). But that is probably wistful thinking, as intimidating as this thread and any association with the villain SEAJ is these days!

I hope you see that what I had been doing is very far from being robotic (something which I BASICALLY do for the Introduce yourself postings actually). But I see  your point quite clearly, and as even doing only the above already takes up quite a bit of time - and as disheartened as I am with what all is going on here these days – I guess I’m probably better off just minding my own business.  

Yes, I guess I got confirmation that the streets of hell are indeed paved with good intentions.

SEAN

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 21-6-2012 13:48 ]

And that is that in the past PRIOR to my using my above method, I had used other methods.

I had sometimes given -1A, and I remember getting quite roundly criticized for being too harsh to these newbies. So that is when I switched to granting +1A - and guess what - I again got roundly criticized for "encouraging" such errant behaviour instead of rebuking itIII  I think that's why I switched to +1A coupled with the quite pointed first line.  

Anyway, I guess I cain't win for loosing - something which I now think about my tenure here as whole actually!! Sigh...!

SEAJ

Ps edit
come to think of it DArt - how has YOUR own method worked?
Coz I really cannot recall/see where you actually have done what you've outlined.

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 21-6-2012 14:40 ]

For the record, I appreciate the effort. The one line fluff posts and questions that show they haven't looked at the forum for more than 2 min before asking piss me off. Butthat's just my opinion. And I don't feel strongly enough about it to do anything about it like SEAJ does. But I like that he does.

Thank you very much for the effort. I still hope that someone who has deep knowledge on Mandarin can interpret the context of that poem.
Perhaps it's a WG's poem signifying her sorrows.

It feels great to see this thread is still alive and kicking (as expected).

So my presumption that this will go on is right. It's fun just to see all the posts that keeps on coming on as we go by the day...

Just wanna express what I feel

Yeah I don't know, it's pretty deep, but that's what it appears to be. But then again i could be wrong. It's funny how you saw that on the walls of your manila establishment. Well...but it is a Chinese establishment so it's not that strange.

Here is the translation in Chinese into an easier to read "modern" interpretation: This is the best I can do for you man!

　長相思　　　　　　白居易
汴水流，泗水流，流到瓜州古渡頭，吳山點點愁。
思悠悠，恨悠悠，恨到歸時方始休，月明人倚樓。

注釋:

汴水：源於河南，東南流入安徽宿縣、泗縣，與泗水合流，入淮河。
泗水：源於山東曲阜，經徐州後，與汴水合流入淮河。
瓜州：在今江蘇省揚州市南面。
吳山：泛指江南群山。
悠悠：深長的意思。

白居易的「汴水流，泗水流，流到瓜洲古渡頭。吳山點點愁。」則借瓜洲流水喻示女子等候相愛之人的愁緒。

白居易不管寫詩寫詞，都是用字淺白易懂，而其中蘊含的深意卻很濃厚而深沉。這首詞中多用疊字和接字，讀來令人有綿綿不絕的愁緒產生。


【語譯】
這條汴水一直往東流去，流入了泗水，再流到瓜州古渡頭。我的丈夫與我分別，遠赴吳地經商，就是順著這條江河行船而去的。水不斷的東流，我的丈夫卻一直沒再返回。我遠望吳山，心中不免產生許多憂愁來。我對丈夫的思念悠悠不絕，恨意也悠悠不絕，這點點恨，恐怕要到丈夫歸來時，才會休止。而今，我也只能望著明月，獨自倚著高樓，思念那遠方的人了。

This poem discribes a lonely wife, who in the darkness of the night under the moon is looking outside of her window in a tall building, longing and missing her Husband. She looks outside at the river thinking of how the water flows eastwards to Henan, anhui, shandong, jiangsu towards Wu Shan (jiangsu) where her husband is currently there on a business trip.  It's been so long since her husband has been back that she misses him greatly and she will never stop thinking about him. She's starting to get a bit angry and sad and this will not end until her husband comes back. She awaits from him to return, but for now all she can do is look out longing for her lover who is far away. 

賞析一
這首《長相思》，寫一位女子倚樓懷人。在朦朧的月色下，映入她眼簾的山容水態，都充滿了哀愁。前三句用三個“流”字，寫出水的蜿蜒曲折，也釀造成低徊纏綿的情韻。下面用兩個“悠悠”，更增添了愁思的綿長。全詞以“恨”寫“愛”，用淺易流暢的語言，和諧的音律，表現人物的復雜感情。特別是那一派流瀉的月光，更烘托出哀怨憂傷的氣氛，增強了藝術感染力，顯示出這首小詞言簡意富、詞淺昧深的特點。

DGS - sorry that I just had to reverse your K award - as well deserved as it really is (and sorry to AsnDragon too!).

But the fact of the matter is that the new "rules" as has been ordered to us by our Mod TwiceAweek on post #3985 on page 200 is that we are no longer allowed to grant any karma points on our IC thread - no matter how well deserved.

Sorry, but that is the edict as it is right now.

SEAN - Sigh.....!