You call ahead of time with the operator and ask which hotel the girl is at. Then you go up to the hotel room and do your business.

However, there are girls where you must have your own hotel room and they on over for the outcall.


Welcome to the board! I look forward to reading your reports in the near future!

I was pretty good in math (when I was younger ).  But isn't 123 plus 1 only 124?

What am I missing?

What you describe is actually the bane of too many long term mongers IMHO.
The Mongering Blahs.
Seen too many, done way too many and .... all comes to naught!

For you're always trying to get that one great pop, and then a greater one and.... and one just ends up all confused and feeling empty in the end. This is the reason why anytime I do feel "something" with any one, I'd always go full blast and pursue and enjoy all the sweetness and light...and even drama.  I'd let it run its course and chalk it all up to a wonderful experience in the end.   

I've in the past even found myself wondering what the heck I was doing...and wondering what the heck that gal is doing bobbing her head up and down on me> That's how jaded one can get with serial mongering IMHO!! I mean - a fabulous looking gal giving me a fabulous blow job and I was instead wondering what's it all about??  How pathetic - right?

The only cure for the Mongering Blahs - either abstention/blue balls till you cain't stand it OR go into longer term romances!

SEAN - Just my own POV and druthers!

So Doc, my Diagnosis is "mongering blahs" ? Suffered from serial mongering? I guess it is true, that too much of a good thing is bad.

So blue balls are just too hard to withstand, not to mention that my time on earth is limited, so I would rather pick the second path-- letting the romance play out. The only issue is, when I let the romance play out, I can fall or go real deep into the whole romance. So deep that sometimes it's hard for me to climb out, but in the end it becomes harder for the girl to climb out than me.

Then comes the whole other factor of guilt. You truly like a girl, and you fall deeply for her, but she falls even deeper for you, betting all her chips on you. Then you get caught in another sticky situation. When you want to end the romance-- there's heartbroken tears, guilt, exchange of words, depression (mostly on the girl's side and some on mine) etc. Would it be setting up yourself for failure? How about if you are with the girl for a long period of time and she's getting old and you start wondering and hoping that she can find someone her age to marry so you break it off with her, and she's just completely devastated? Do I just call you up SEAN and you can take over where I left off since you're age is usually where WGs look for?

AsnDragon-- I can't believe I'm taking advice for SEAN, who's half my age on this issue. Before I sink in, I need an exit strategy.

Yeah, I think this is normal, AsnDragon.  If you punt a lot, and have done so for many years, than you've already had the hottest gals imaginable, the greatest tits, the sexiest asses, the best blowjobs, the wickedest 3ps, etc. etc. etc.  The "physical" components of the sex act becomes less important, and your overall "connection" with the gal more important.

As a young man I didnt care about the connection.  If they asked me questions about myself I lied.  I didnt WANT them to know anything about me; and if they spoke I scarcely listened -- I didnt want to know anything about them either.  This was sex.  Pure and simple.  

But as I aged this flipped completely.  

The VAST majority of my punting is with regulars.  And most of my regulars have been seeing me for years now.  We really know each other.  We enjoy each other's company - whether in the bed, in a restaurant, dancing in a bar, or shopping for underwear.  Yeah, I still have my one-nite-stands - but only when I'm having a blast with the gal in the bar first.  The sponteneity of this is still fun -- but even this requires more than just a hot gal for me -- we have to click or I move on quickly.

Sometimes these romances get a little heavy.  But all these gals know my situation and I've always stayed very honest with them.  And yeah..., once emotions get involved, and they do, it can be mind-bending.  (for her and for you).  Tears get shed.  I've been down this road with my own heart only once with a girl I simply cannot give up;  and indeed after much anguish in trying to simply forget her I instead decided to stay on the road and see where it leads.  It's been bliss combined with longing mostly.  Wonderful.  And make no mistake -- if I had to choose all over again whether I would meet and fall for this gal I would do it all over again in a heartbeat.  In fact, I wouldnt have resisted her for so damn long!  

What else in life beats such feelings, right?   So enjoy.  Be careful, of course, but we're only here once right?

Wow - what a sensible and more so - heart-felt response!!  Especially coming from the man-whore that you are - OOOooops - Sorry...but you gotta admit!!

But yes, what you've outlined is all true as far as I'm concerned and do outline to AsnD and others the drama that is involved in affairs.  But I handle it a bit different - in that I ALWAYS involve $$$ in the equation - even when it is with civvies. Making sure that BOTH of us are aware that the affair is to a certain extend predicated on money changing hands; it HELPS to avoid some of the excesses of romance. NOTE - I did not say it avoids it all!!

SEAN - actually still too young and foolish for y'all to give too much weight to - NOTE!! LOL!

Wander,


I know your experiences are personal. But i can't help but ask about your girl situation that you tried "to resist" It seems like one of those hairy situations like-- you totally want something more but you know that it would become something really sticky type of situations.

In the end, no matter how many times you tell them and remind them and how many times $ is exchanged, when a girl falls for you she falls for you. With time and in time a girl will always become attached to you. Even if all boundaries are all drawn out since the beginning. Perhaps that's why so many girls are tricked by their pimp boyfriends, because they hold onto Hope.

Hope...is a very dangerous things.


AsnDragon-- wanting to fall in love all over again...

Hmmmm, my girl?  I wrote about her, and my situation with her, about 1.5 years ago.  I had been seeing her for a few years by then.  As often as I could, actually.  We did a few vacations together.  I was just "living the dream" I told myself -- the hottest babe in the world as my FB.  She would tell me she loved me and I would push her away and end it.  I did not want to break her heart, or mess up my life.  But I kept coming back -- couldn't stop thinking about her.  I mean every hour of every damn day!

This continued, with quite a bit of anquish as I tried to stay away, until I just gave up pretending I wasn't in love with her.  And then the fog cleared.  I said "fuck it".  How many loves like this does a man get??  

We still meet as often as we can.  It's complicated now... She gave up WG life a long while ago and has an SO too.  But we bring a lot to each other's lives.  After 4 years she still rocks my world every time I see her.

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Wow!! so you two both have SO's and you two have like an affair made in heaven or something! Amazing.

Hottest babe in the world that says she genuinely loves you is really rare, you must have really stolen her heart. I guess it's a pretty good arrangement then. She has her own like and so do you, but you still get to see each other on the side.

My I ask where you found this gem? KTV? KTV girls are usually the ones I end up falling for, but i'ts the sauna girls that end up falling for me...weird!


AsnDragon-- Wanting the same type of arrangement. Except, I have no SO. It's getting harder and harder for me to trust WGs these days.

Now I'm really upset!!
You've given MY points to AD!!
Jeez!

Yes, affairs - whether with civvies or with WG's DO bring a lot to one's life...and I ain't only talking about the sex part.

What it does is to re-affirm one's own vitality and purpose in life - whilst tempering it all with realization that one's truly getting more than his fair share in life.  And just so long as it does not ADVERSELY affect one's relationship with one's own family, then IMHO it's all good.

The bad thing that usually happens though, is that a guy gets all cocky when he's in an extra-marital affair and instead of being grateful for such/GRACIOUS, he starts giving "attitude" to his BETTER HALF - thinking that "Hey, I is still wanted, you old bag."  Bad mistake and a worse assessment of oneself as an SO and Family is NOT and will NEVER BE just an affair.

Again just my own POV

SEAN...hey, I'm starting to make sense, even to myself!! LOL!

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Reply #3869 AsnDragon's post

Come ON old man - you're so well positioned - what with your big bucks and no SO to worry about - to really enjoy yourself that its not even funny!

What's stopping you from truly going into an affair - either with a WG or with a cvivvie?  Or better still - why not go into BOTH at the same time? Fall in love with a WG and go for all the bells and jingles - just remember to make sure that both of you are on the same page about $$ changing hands and that lots of what goes on is predicated on such!

Then go back home and cultivate an affair with a civvie at the same time. You will be so grateful for this "double blessing" that you will not only have a grand old time with both gals, but that the gals in question will also be able to enjoy YOU for what you are!! Old money bags to the WG and a great guy for the civvie....all cheerful, know how to please and never demanding.  After all, a LOT of civvies are turned off with guys who's always just trying to get in their pants...no matter if she actually wanted him to do so or not!!  LOL! Farkin Women Lib!

SEAN...YUP- I is got a solution for everytin' - LMAO!

Ps edit - Thanks you guys - I wonder if being a Karma whore is also a high honour around here??!!  LOL!

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Wander:
I guess the biggest problem with ultra long semi-punting relationships IS EXACTLY that you get to know a lot about each other.  I have read the tales where people get involved with violent ex boyfriends, drug issues that you don't find out about until you really get to know the girl, demanding families, and so on.  Just like any other relationship, once the initial honeymoon desire wears off, you are left with all the things you never noticed when you were blinded by the power of the encounter.

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SEAJ
How could there be anything wrong with whoring on a mongering board!
My favourite Wison Mizner quote - Treat whores like ladies, and ladies like whores.  At first I chuckled when I saw this.  But more and more I am coming to see it as a truism.

And yes, the advice that you give about SO's is so true.  Everyone needs an anchor - and someone who is willing to put up with you permanently.  It is so easy to stop noticing all that they mean to you.

Edit to respond to SEAJ

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SEAN,


Look young man, you just don't know what it feels like to be me. I don't want to just be some  old money bag to the girls. That's why I emphasize that young kids like you have the world at your feet! You can romance a girl and at least feel that there's a fighting chance that the girl actually loves you. When you walk down the street it does not appear so awkward where people kinda know the "arrangement"

Yes sponsorship or romance with a WG is predicated on money. But As I said, after a while the girl will always end up falling for you if you are a gentlemen and treat her well. Even though at the back of the girl's head she knows that everyone is all based upon money, but girls are just built to feel more and be emotionally attached to you.

Alright story time:

Back when i was not as old...I had really fallen for a Sauna girl! (bad idea! as sauna girls are the most money hungry of all WG categories) I had pursued her almost every other day, visiting her sometimes not even doing her when I'm paying for the session. I was on an all out quest to romance her. When she decided to give me a chance, I took her to Shenzhen to go shopping and just take a break and see the city. I took her to Louwu shopping center by the train station because she wanted to do her nails. As i was waiting, there was another white chick from Australia that was asking if I spoke any english to help her translate for her as she wanted to communicate with the nail salon technician. The aussie gal and I struck up a conversation in Englsh and she was delighted that she could finally talk to someone in English too. My girl saw me talk to her and she decided that she could not be with me. Later on when I dropped her off at her home, she told me it's best we don't see each other anymore, as there is no future between us. I asked her why? Was it because she felt jealous of me talking to the aussie chick? She replied no. Her reasoning was, when she saw me speak English so fluently she realized that we are two people from two different worlds and that there's no future between us because she felt that there was too much of a socioeconomic gap between us. We parted ways and she changed her number and I never got in touch with her again. This was almost 10 years ago.

So sometimes, even when i want to fall in love, it's not easy to do so. Something...always gets in the way.

AsnDragon-- still waiting, still hoping and still dreaming there's the right girl out there for me.

Man, we've really delved into the deep end with this discussion.  

Yeah, our affair is like nuclear fusion.  Every time I see her I still go "Holy shit.., look at her!!". And then I wake in the morning (when we can do a rare overniter) with her still wrapped around me.  Damn...

But I mentioned the "longing" as well, right?  The complications.  The "what if's?" The trust - or lack-thereof. - we both know the other sooo well -- all our good and bad, all our history.  (We met in a Wanchai bar years ago - she a WG, me a punter).  These relationships never seem to stay static in a simple state of mutual bliss.  They try to grow and morph normally, as relationships do., yet the circumstances dont allow them to (or indeed we stop them from growing on purpose) and usually they fade away as a result.

This one hasn't.  Seems we are still on the same page so closely that we both still jump thru hoops to be together.

Anyway..  Too heavy.  

And yes, you are right, SEAj.  Falling into this and not allowing it to change how you act at home is a challenge.  I've had such thoughts during a bad moment -- and then looked at my life and family and went "whoa.., slow down asshole.  You are part of a good thing here....  Don't fuck it up!".

Who said that "romance" comes easy....or that things are gonna be 100% perfecto as soon as you decide to pursue it?  Jeez old man - smell the coffee!

Romance come in all its various guises but GREAT and pure romance is always worth it to pursue...coz it only comes around once a while. And thus its also bloody well worth it to pursue each and every time that you sense it coming. Pursue each and every opportunity, go wild with your money, time, emotions and whatever else...and if it all comes crashing down...so bloody what??!  The roller coaster ride alone makes it all worthwhile.  YUP!

And if you're gonna be so blessed by your lucky stars - you MAY end up with the love of your live as wander has. Venture forth old man - you ain't ever gonna win unless you actually get in the game first!

SEAN....yeah, I get into too many games myself probably - but I is enjoyin' it all!!

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Reply #3871 Yazoo's post

Sorry - I do NOT agree with that supposed truism about treating whores as ladies and ladies as whores as I truly believe in treating ALL women as ladies.  That part bout treating Ladies as whores - yeah...sure... a lot of gals CAN be "gotten" that way....but I'd opine that these gals are  useless mental wrecks with whom I would  NOT want to have any long term relationship/affairs with. No problems if one is a true asshole and need to have this stupid feeling of superiority over women - but IMHO, any good relationship must be based upon mutual respect.

SEAN...Jeez, I is probably gonna get burned for this last part!!

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I see the last part as dealing those stuck up, bitchy socialites who think that they are so much better than the rest of the world, and their opinions, somehow, have more validity than anyone elses.

EVERY WG that I have met has been humble and down to earth, but you can see the strength inside.  Every society crumpet that I have met has been the exact opposite.

yazoo          25-5-2012 12:37          Acceptance          +1          A very perceptive girl. But was she right?


Until this day i don't know if she was right. Whenever i drive by the hotel, the restaurant or the place we use to hang out i still wonder how she is doing or where she is at. A cute hubei girl with really fair skin and beautiful face. 10 years later and I'm still wondering how she's doing...I guess i'm more of a SEAN than I thought--A hopeless romantic.


SEAN---I don't know how you fall so deep into the romance. I've been in situations where the girl literally asks and implies if the relationship can carry onto marriage. Asking me to meet her parents soon etc. It gets really sticky even when I tell her that this is just an exchange of money for companionship. Then hours later she'll come back and say...yeah I can see you being a good husband and a good father to my children. Then she wants to do bareback sex, which I do not participate in even with civvies unless they are tested and when i resist bareback sex, she loves me even more! saying how I am such a gentlemen, so many other guys would just do her bareback and not care about her and that I'm the only man who's resisted such temptations. I'm telling you, it's like I want the romance part of it, but it comes with serious responsibilities and baggage as well. Every girl i get into these romances with always dreams of a future together, or marriage etc. I'm sure that's happened to everyone right?


AsnDragon--- How do you guys get the romance without the eventual expectation from the girl of a long term future together?

As I replied above - easy for me as I am always very honest/blunt with my intentions/expectations from my romance and do NOT waiver from such. But in your case, perhaps a bit more difficult as you ain't married.

Perhaps you can at least have a "serious GF" back home if not outright lie (Ouch...not really cricket - but your circumstances a bit exceptional) that you've got an SO.

Anyway, what's so bad about the gal having a bit of expectations about the future...when you keep on telling her your true intentions...and to lay it out that THINGS WILL JUST NEED TO TAKE ITS NATURAL COURSE! Tell her NOT to obsess about the future and enjoy it all for the present...and if it leads to something, OK, but if not, you've never promised her otherwise.  Drill this into her head!

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Reply # 3875 Yazzo's post
Bitchy socialite??  Those are only good for "Conquest" sake and NOT for romance.

Yeah, I've "conquered" these Socialite type gals, using any number of different ploys including the "treat her like a whore" route - but these were ONLY coz I was HOT on her Bod and not from some stupid desire to forever dominate her etc....and certainly never with the intention to have along term affair with her.  Just purely an "alpha male physical thing" thas'sall.

SEAN....Damn I is telling too much about myself! gotta learn to shaddup!

Hmmm,  think an issue is that they KNOW you are single and looking.  With me, with SEAj, they know we have a family.  They know this is just sweet fun.  Yeah, over time this "knowledge" may be forgotten and they ask for more than we can give, but it allows us to give them everything without the expectation that it is more than just fun.  

Hmmmm, what would I do if I were you??  Need to ponder.  Pondering-Wander...  Hehe

The difference I see is that the one you describe was asking for something.  Asking for marriage, asking for a future, and willing to bargain in exchange for it.  The other type doesn't ask for anything.  They just smile, and sometimes you see the hope in their eyes.  But they just want to be around you for you.

When I'm crazy about someone, I don't want anything other than to be next to the one I'm in love with.  For that point in time, that becomes my universe.  I think that if the girl has mindspace for bargaining bareback, or buttering you up for being a gentleman after you've said no, then you are not her universe.  Her desires are.

You mentioned earlier that you found sauna girls were the most money hungry.  Your experience is far greater than mine, and maybe I got an outlier, but I would have thought the opposite.  In fact I was planning on trying to pull a couple of overnighters from sauna's to get away from the more experienced bargainers that the FL's are.

Aren't the 'managed' sauna girls less hard-nosed than the business-minded freelancers?  They seem sweeter.

wow! You going after sauna girls? Good luck, keep me updated on your outcome. Sauna girls are the most money hungry because just think about it, they will do anything for money even licking a guys anus and toes. this I feel that they are the most moneyhungry and hardest to get too if they are pretty and in high demand in the sauna. They will calculate the opportunity cost with you.

But if you can get a sauna girl to quit the trade to be with u it would be great as you will have a steady GF who's good in bed! What a rarity! If not good in bed at least a girl who knows how to give a BJ at least.

This is just my observation.