These sweeps are mostly for girls that have overstayed their visas, right? Should not be a worry for bros aside from a reduction of options

Sorry guys, ran out of K's to dole out - AGAIN!!@$@$!! - will do so when I get recharged.

But yes, Police raids are always a very hot button topic on our board as it does affect all of us very directly don't it?  And thus ANY and ALL information/heads-ups abut these are very much appreciated by everybody.

Anyway, as regards to your specific question as to if it's of any consequence to us bros or not - well...the application of the Hong Kong laws in regards to prostitution do shift from time to time.  Please note that this is STRICTLY IMHO and I'm actually NOT in any way qualified to legally comment on such - just my own observations.

Prostitution per se is NOT illegal in Hong Kong - but  its the ancillary laws and practices in regards to such that is of MY primary concern; after all, I do remember my uncle telling me that in the bad old days, punters DID have the risk of being hauled off to the police station when found with prostitutes to "assist their investigations" and that such punter would need to get a relative to "accompany him" out of the station PRIOR to him being released!! Yup- - that REALLY was the practice in the old days....and how it brought the fear of God in many a fine punter of days of yorne....whilst Hong Kong's laws on prostitution per se has NOT changed at all through all this time!

At present state of play, just so long as one is civil and truthful - and to a large extent cooperative - with the LE, then there really is NOT that much to worry about; and yes, for the most part such raids only occur to round up illegal workers, over-stayers and even drugs/theft etc if found.  And yes, it IS the gals themselves - and more so, their organizers/controllers/Pimps - that the Hong Kong LE targets during these raids.

Just totally IMHO please note again.

Clueless but Sweet Swede Sean

Ps edit:
Need to say this - THANKS EVERYONE FOR KEEPING THIS THREAD ALIVE AND WELL whilst I was sorta missing in action.
Really good to know that y'all do come here...just for the sake of coming here and to chat idly. Thanks!!

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 21-3-2012 15:29 ]

Yeah... The practise of HK police is to be very lenient and discreet with punters.  But this is their current "practise" not a requirement.  In any given situation who knows what might happen...

I got busted once by LE:  in a room with 3 hookers, and worse substances (of which I did NOT partake).  They asked for my ID, why I was there ("partying" was my very truthful answer) and that's it.  They left...  So, they are indeed very lenient and seems proper Visa's is all they care about.

But again.... This is anecdote.  One example from a Bro who has had a miraculous history of being let-off-easy by LE.  (Man, one day my luck will change!).

" So, they are indeed very lenient and seems proper Visa's is all they care about."

Just a question. When they check for visas, so long as the girl has a valid visa to be in HK, that means it's ok? I am asking because in a lot of other countries, UK, Singapore, Malaysia, etc, they actually get the girl for a visa violation as opposed to haveing expired or no visa. Cos these girls only have tourist visa and on tourist visas, you are not allowed to work, solicit, etc. Wonder what the specific rule regarding tourist visa violation is in HK.

I THINK there are several types of visa violations that these raids try to uncover.

First of course are those without any visas at all - which hardly is the case any more these days as the days of the snake heads sneaking people into Hong Kong is basically history since the advent of the various "permits" issued to PRC nationals.

Secondly are those who have overstayed their period of allowed stay and last, I think quite a number are convicted of violating the conditions of their stay as a tourist or permit holder from the PRC as they had taken up employment.  And for purposes of our discussion, this of course includes working as a prostitute.

Just from what I know reading newspaper reports etc.

SEAJ

Yes..., most of the gals who get busted in WanChai bars or WUs get busted for over-staying their Visa.  They'll usually get 20-30 days in prision, then deported and blacklisted.

The second, less-common reason, is "breech of condition of stay".  If they are in on a tourist-visa, as 95% are, they CANNOT work in any capacity.  In a bar it is harder to prove they are working, of course, so sometimes undercover LE work the bars and nail gals that solicit them.

What if the girls got busted in 141 walk-in? It seems ALL of them were caught in the raid no matter if they got a valid visa since I don't see any WG who holding a travel visa can stay after a raid. The police assuming all girls are working when they found the girls at a 141 walk-in?

Just come to say hello! This's my first response to this thread.

Hello to you sir and welcome on board. Hope to see reports from you and contributions to one and all!

WELCOME!!
And please do feel free to get in on any of the idle chats/conversations we have here...or even start another one! LOL!

@ erafal - traditionally, the Walk-up gals had been permanent Hong Kong Identity card holders - locals so to call - and thus have all the right to work even as a prostitute. Raids on Walk-ups are sporadically carried out to determine if indeed a gal has such HKID card i/o just visitors on a NON-working visa - which DOES happen quite regularly i.e. The Thais, Filipinas WG's as well as DH's who got laid off and want to make some real $$ before they need to get out of HKG, the PRC's who temporarily sub for a gal off on Red or holidays etc.

Hong Kong LE's are also particularly concerned about organized criminal elements - and use these raids to "discourage" such elements from getting too embedded in this section of the trade.

Just IMHO/from anecdotal sources.

SEAJ

EDIT: Removing my post cos it's a sensitive topic.

[ Last edited by  Wachovia68 at 23-3-2012 12:51 ]

Damn!!! That....is an excellent question especially the part about if the question is "Kosher to ask" on this forum!!

For as it is, I really don't know what the correct answer is; and I'd think even the Mods PROBABLY also cannot give you a 100% sure reply/I'd think only ADMIN would be the final arbiter.

So perhaps best we steer away from further discussion on this here - would hate to get this thread shut down for such!  LOL!

SEAJ

I know that WGs holding a permanent ID are usually no problem in a raid.

For those WGs who are holding a travel visa, it doesn't matter whether they were serving a customer or just waiting for one while the cops come, they were caught and then sent back home. Don't the cops need to prove the girls were working there? Or just sent them to the prison anyway?

Gotcha bro. Don't want to get this thread shut down. I've removed my post.

I would imagine that if a girl on a non-working visa is caught sitting in a room, by herself, that has a menu of services posted on the wall, then she would be in trouble.

It's kind of like sitting behind a counter with a cash register at a store and claiming your not working there.  Don't really need to see the transaction for probable cause.

My opinion is certainly not based on any specific HK laws I am aware of, just kind of makes sense.  I mean if you have a non-working visa, you are here at the pleasure (pardon the pun) of the Government.  Should be easy to revoke the visa and bounce the girl out with probable cause.

I suppose once the girl is outed she could fight it, but as a practical matter I don't think it would happen.

I'm just sayin...........

Che'lu

[ Last edited by  chelu at 23-3-2012 15:38 ]

As I said, the application of the Hong Kong laws on the "trade" seem to vary/evolve as the situation allows/calls for.

I recall chatting with a JP friend of mine who gets to visit Hong Kong prisons as part of her duties as a JP  - and she told me that one time, a bunch of girl prisoners approached her to ask for assistance as they had been convicted for prostitution.; one of the evidence that the prosecution offered to substantiate charging them as prostitutes was that they had on their person packets of condom! And this had happened early 1990's when it was already proven that condom usage reduces the chances of HIV infection!!

And yes, as far as the gals "fighting it" - I'd speculate that it never ever happens if they're caught at a Walk-up - what resources/state of mind would they have to do so?  Highly unlikely unless of course she just happen to be from some kind of ministry preaching/proselyting to the gals ! LOL!

Come to think of it - all those guys walking about outside Worldwide House in Central in suit and tie with the black name tags - I'm quite sure that they're in Hong Kong on a visitor/non-working visa - so how come the Hong Kong government allows them to do "God's work" blatantly and out in the open??!! Oooh SEAN - you do love to shit stir dontcha??  LMAO

SEAN

Ps edit
Just read this "news" thread by our bro furryfriend which should be of interest to some of you guys curious as to the workings of the trade in Hong Kong:
http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... mp;page=1#pid415799

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 23-3-2012 13:41 ]

Actually now that you mention it, even businessmen coming into HK to have meetings are working aren't they? Or ppl in finance/consulting coming over to HK to do due diligence, audits, etc. That's clearly work and they get paid for it. So why are they allowed and the WGs are not allowed on their tourist visa? hehe...

Yes...and NO! LOL!
Actually even on this the Hong Kong authorities ARE being very practical and have made sure that they do to a certain extend CYA!

Look at what the Official line is, as in their publication:
http://www.gov.hk/en/about/about ... ocs/immigration.pdf
(Published by the Information Services Department, Immigration Department Home Page Address:
Hong Kong Special Administrative Region Government http://www.immd.gov.hk/
GovHK Website: http://www.gov.hk
Information contained in this publication may be freely used.
No acknowledgement is necessary.
June 2011)


but then again, I believe that most countries also adopt such stance towards businessmen coming to their country to do some business; I know I've never had any problems going all over the place doing just that - but of course not permanently in-situ in the country.

SEAJ

Don't these lawyers and accountants come over with a working visa? Since they are coming to work on purpose, it's not difficult for them to apply for it with their employer's statement.

Thanks bro for posting the info. Yeah, most countries do allow businessmen to come in for meetings, etc...but we can also say that the ladies are business ppl too! coming in for a meeting of happy guys!

"immigration controls are designed and operated to prevent the entry of undesirable persons." --> Heh...we argue that the WGs are desirable! Just post a photo on this board and we'll let them know whether or not to let the girls in

To bro erafal,

"Don't these lawyers and accountants come over with a working visa? Since they are coming to work on purpose, it's not difficult for them to apply for it with their employer's statement."

It depends. If it's an assignment that's planned in advance, they do get the necessary documentation beforehand. If it's like a deal that suddenly came up and they need to quickly finish the due diligence in a matter of days, they just come in like regular tourists. I actually know of a few friends workign in the professional fields who have had to make visa runs cos the assignment has dragged on longer than expected.

[ Last edited by  Wachovia68 at 23-3-2012 14:39 ]