Yeah, sometimes they try to hide it, but I know these young gals fuckin love me and want me.    

   There are always exceptions to every rule, Jake you must be that exception.  That means no other bro can claim that on this forum!  

obviously it's a risk, which is why the prenup was such a smart move, but no, it's not a reasonable assumption.  Picasso is a good example, with his 4-decade-younger gf ...

OK the cynically-minded can say she was a gold-digger too, and who knows?, but that's not the way she behaved after he died.

love stories are so few in the world that they make books and movies out of it, any relationship starting with infatuation will finish, soon or later.
marriages also, wether u r 50, she is 50 or u r 50 and she is 20.
most of the "happily" married women I knew, they fuck their husbands thinking to somebody else and the marriage over ten years become only a convinient contract, so giving the body for hourly compensation or for monthly compensation, or for yearly compensation... it's not much different.
why wifes leave a loser? why if u r broke, 90% of the time ur marriage is in trouble?
WGs are only the same deal without flowers and frills, and falling in love with WGs is not a crime... the stupid thing it's beleived that they are in love with you...
if wifes give enough, you will see no men in wanchai or TST, and punters: you never know what is in ur wife mind !

I asked him if he loved her but from his answers it seems it was a macho thing for him [no love]......... an elderly bloke with a 22yr old on his arm imagining that everyone was envying him. He actually thought that because he was sending money to her family in Manilla she would be there for the long haul. But some people never learn........ he just told me he's off to Manilla again to bring back a 26yr old he met on the net. Tried to dissuade him but he says he's lonely and needs a woman to take care of him. I think that's the bottom line - Loneliness. I can see another crash coming.

  my prophet, u speak wise words and truthful ones.

Picasso! Now there's a useful real-world example for the normal guy.   Picasso was a notorious egocentric and philanderer who went through women like socks. The guy never loved anything but himself, and his women were famously unhappy with the guy. You couldn't have chosen a worse example of a successful long-term relationship.

But sure, you can search the entire database of human history and find examples to corroborate any behavior, but how useful is that as a guide to intelligent living?

Hey Mars, I admit I'm on thin ice because I don't know much detail ... but of course he's not typical, that's why I mentioned him!  

I read an interview with his last gf, if I remember rightly they were 26 and 60+, and she came across as very positive about their relationship.  Since we were talking about older guys, not so much about about what they did in their younger days, what matters more is how he treated her.  

... and careful what you define as "normal" ... we all hate most what we hate in ourselves!

On the contrary, I think Picasso is a perfect example, although a little bit extreme. Picasso was a genius and a great artist and, because of that, many women loved him. It had nothing to do with his wealth or fame. One thing I've learned in my life is that, to truly love someone, you must admire them and, for them to love you, they must admire you. Fortunately, all women are different and they admire different things in a man. If you have a special ability or talent, some women will love you for it. I've known a lot of talented people and very few have been rich, few have been famous and few were very attractive in a special way. But they ALL had beautiful women around them; women who really did love them because of their ability and talent.

It doesn't have to be a special talent. Many women will love a man who is kind or caring or gentle or charming or funny, or generous, etc, etc. The problem here is that you first must meet the woman and then attract her with your personality, etc. If you have a special talent, like Picasso, women you've never met will be drawn to you and you can pretty much take your pick.

I meet and read about people all the time that I admire - many competitors in the Olympics for example. But I would find it very difficult to admire a WG after the choices she has made in her life. That's why I could never fall in love with a WG - they're just not the type of person that I admire. Others might feel differently.

I've no doubt Picasso was a fascinating guy, but I don't see how that's relevant to our aging Aussie and his failed marriage to a 22 yr-old Filipina. Seeing how things turned out, I think we can safely assume that she wasn't attracted to the guy because of his charisma. And I doubt Picasso would have had to travel to a 3rd-world country and buy a wife because he couldn't find a sexy young chick at home willing to walk around on his arm. But yah, sometimes young girls are attracted to older dudes for non-$ reasons. One can always find exceptions to any rule. But seeing that this argument is taking place in the context of whether or not a relationship with a WG can succeed, I don't think citing Picasso is all that useful.

Older guys who travel to poor countries to buy sex with beautiful young girls would more likely fall into a different category. A marriage between a older guy and a 3rd-world chick 30 yrs his junior, a girl originally attracted only by his money, two people who don't understand each others' cultures and have nothing in common but sex, that kind of relationship is an accident waiting to happen, regardless of the girl's previous profession. If all these examples everyone has given of failed relationships with WGs involve blatantly mercenary situations like that, then perhaps people are drawing the wrong conclusions from the failure of things to work out.

The only marriage with a WG I have personal experience of involved a Chinese-speaking, American student in Taiwan who married a Taiwanese girl (he didn't know she was a hooker) a few yrs younger than him. That marriage worked out because it was the outcome of a real relationship not just a financial transaction. When I say that a marriage with a WG can succeed, I'm referring to situations like that.

In any case, some years back, I read a biography of Picasso that was written by someone who interviewed many of his women; and tho they were, indeed, all overpowered by the guy's charisma, all of them were bitter at having being used, betrayed, and abandoned. So none of Picasso's relationships could be considered successful - tho Picasso was never interested in long-term relationships anyway, so I don't think he cared one way or the other. (I'm limiting myself here to talking about Picasso in light of tonto's previous post.)

Listen to me Jake, you've reached an age where a guy is expected to have come to terms with who he is. Bro, you're no Picasso. This idea that you're the exception, the fascinating older guy who's always going to be surrounded by beautiful young girls - you're setting yourself up for a fall big guy. Rather than Picasso, maybe you should give some thought to a fellow Englishman recently in the news - Gary Glitter.

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I agree with you Jake for almost all the WGS, but there are always exceptions to the rule.

I've fallen in love with two WGs (for perspective this was over a period of 20 years), and I've found it something very difficult to control, loving somebody is not like turning a light switch on/off. That being said it was "turbulent" time, quite the roller coaster, but I have no regrets and some great memories. The first girl was a 26 year old in NZ, I even met her parents for God sake. She ended up marrying one of her clients and we remained friends for a while before I lost touch. The second one a Thai.

It is a difficult realm while it exists, especially as regards "trust". I know they found it hard to trust a guy who cheated on his wife with them, and probably many other WGs (maybe still doing so whilst I was seeing them). Likewise in the end I found it too hard to trust them regardless of how committed they appeared to be, but maybe there will be an exception for me to that rule too one day.

My best friend (married & 54) is in a similar situation right now with a 26 year old mainland girl he met on a business trip 6 months ago. He swears she is not a WG, she rejects all offers of money, and even flew at her own expense to meet him last visit, so maybe he is right. However I suspect the prospects of marrying a wealthy, Westerner may be a prime motive, and he is actually considering leaving his wife for this girl (but not to remarry). Btw, he is definitely not your fat/bald stereotype, I have seen him work some local young girls here in Sydney. Anyway, he said something to me the other day which I found quite liberating - "Froddo, there are NO rules."