Sorry as I woul like to comment after reading all this.

Fjackass
1- love your reports and your photos but with your non existent mando, I believe you are in a similar boat as me with communication with these HGs you have visited.  Yousay that you have always gotten permission to take photos, but I personally have visited 3 of the 4 or 5 girls you have had videos on because I liked the service you portrayed.  Being chinese, when I asked for photos on two occasions they rejected which was fine, but when I asked why, they both mentioned that someone of your ethnicity (non racial comment) had asked rejected, but insisted so they said ok for photos ONLY. But in turn although I didn't mention anything, you turned out taking videos which I am sure you sneeked in there quite easily with an iPhone.  Taking photos does not equal to taking videos.

2. Also has to do with your comment 1 where you talk about not needing credits or karma being 40/50 RA already....  Inconsistent BS iMO!!! Proof of you thrive and want for karma is in post #3 right here http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... &extra=page%3D1 if not interested in karma why the comment?

3. Lastly sharing of reports to any WG be it for any reason is wrong as I have been a victim 5 times over the 3 months I have been around. Total lack of respect IMO is why I cannot and do not feel comfortable sharing anymore.  Although I would love to enjoy and read other bros high RA reports at some point but will probably be stuck at RA 50 because I the non existent reports now.

I agree that goose and crew handled it all wrong, but on a side not and from a neutralview, those photos were obvious sneaky pics that were not permitted. I know fjackassasked for photos but as he had mentioned she looked at them and deleted a few she didn't like.... Yeah right.  For all those who got to see those photos it was obvious she did not want to take them so if the OP did let her see and delete why those still exist on his phone?

All in all poor handling, but I do see bro fjackass now showing a lot more fight having all the mods and seniors backing him up due to the gang up and te fact theat report was obviously shown to WG by goose and crew but at the same time should we disregard the obvious fact of the sneak photos?  

Back to hibernation but just my 2 pennies!

J

[ Last edited by  jm322 at 17-12-2011 09:16 ]

Let me rephrase that: why ANY RATIONAL LONG-SIGHTED hotel girl would allow them? Given that Gary believes we should take great care not to ruin their futures because of family back home, I'm sure explaining the potential long-term consequences to those young non-english speaking girls when asking for their permission is what is always done. I find this whole ganging and moral high ground very bizarre coming from punters who have posted many potentially damaging pics in the past.  
Edit: typo

[ Last edited by  Thai-delight at 17-12-2011 17:17 ]

This in itself also poses a problem too as I've seen some smucks use this to garner better service, treatment or even had to gall to ask for a 'freebee' saying they'll write a glowing report about her.  Not objective and goes against the purpose of these kinds of forums.

These forums are for bros to share info on providers and what happens on the forums stays on the forums.

1. Each bro here bears sole responsibility what images he posts.
I think all bros/posters here must assume that their real WG pictures (can) appear elsewhere in the net. Fact.
And again, I think nobody here wants to destroy the future of a WG.
Ideas for pic Guidelines exists: see post *97 and post *49. And it will still remain still a gray area. I think this is solvable.

2. If there still is a problem, then it should first clarify the bros via PM to each other.

3. Post *21: “Reports are shown to HGs are common practice today…”
That really pisses me. Is that true?
Is that common practice that u bros in HK show the reports from other bros to the WGs?
Unbelievable!!! I thought I'm here in a Mongerforum, from bros mouth to bros ear.

4. Can it be true that the reports are "sold" to their own advantage? Like:
“Hey agent X, i have here 1000 reports from ur WGs. If u like I can help u to lift up the service level of ur girls
for some free fucks. Ok. Bring me first in Girl A. Many complain that she can not suck dick. So I will teach her first.
Then bring me in Girl B. Many complain that she is no good in CG. So I will teach her.“
And so on. Fuck, that is a betrayal of the Brotherhood.

5. Asking for permisson.
Can i take a foto from u?
ok.
U ok i show this pic to my bros?
ok.
But how good is it, when an evil bro then commits treason.
This is a systemic leakage and to solve this, i have no idea.

[ Last edited by  inbkk at 17-12-2011 16:21 ]

I haven't spent much time on the forum lately, and I am happy to see an interesting debate here. Some politicians would see in it the sign that "our democracy is alive and lively", but I would rather think it's a sign that people here think and care, and also, that is permitted thanks to our mods who maintain a spirit and some values here. Kudos to all !

I 'd like to offer some suggestions to the debate. I don't want to say here if we should ask the girls for photos, what we should publish, etc… In the while, while we maintain status quo, I suggest we ban hardcore pics from reports :

1/ Hardcore pics are not relevant to the reports :
We want to see face (to check difference with photoshop photos) and naked body (to see her features). Everything more than that turns into porn category.

2/ Hardcore pics harm the girl most :
What we wrote in reports won't harm the girl and her family too much, they're just words in rumors. Instead, just show 1 naked pic of her father, and he'll kill her. Then, show him photos of her daughter sucking different dicks, and he'll kill his whole family before committing suicide   …

3/ WG wouldn't agree to have their hardcore pics shared on internet :
No even need to ask them. Ok, if you want to "help" them by posting reports and pics on internet (unless it's more to show off ???), face and body may be ok, depending on girls. But even to boost their business, I don't think any WG would agree to have hardcore pics of her freely shared on internet.

So I suggest we forbid all photos where we can see dick, sperm… and more generally the guy.

I know this won't solve the crisis and save Europe, but at least, it's a very little rule that can save a lot and give stronger foundations to the forum.

Also, to come back another specific question, yes, what happens in the forum should stay in the forum, but it can't :
- Absolutely anybody can freely join the forum, any dude you find randomly in the street, the best and the worse. We even have cases of fakers reaching LL level…
- Everybody can make mistakes and be careless, even senior bros. If we were just to rely on people's good will in this world, we wouldn't need any law.
- This forum is powered by Discuz, which is just a good standard internet security… but nothing super protected or hack-free
- If I can guess Goose's password, I can connect freely and download all photos, nobody will know.
So yes, what happens in the forum should stay in the forum, but it will leak. We cannot control what is leaked out, but we can control the content bros will bring in.

My point is that whatever the RA you put or the precautions you take, anything on this forum can and may eventually be "free for all" on the web. That's internet...

My 2 pennies worth...

[ Last edited by  marcopo at 17-12-2011 18:18 ]

This is a very good suggestion here.

The purpose of a picture is to get a better idea of what the girl looks like. How her body looks like. What the girls do during session is totally not of any relevance to help other bros here.

For example, the maximum limit of a useful tolerable photo is:

1. Showing her face
2. Showing her nude body

The above is the maximum allowed. Of course, if some bros prefer to mask out the face that's fine. But definitely no picture of the girl sucking a guy's dick or pictures of the girl's pussy getting pounded.

But still, do we need to acquire their permission about uploading the photos on this forum? This, I think is a more difficult issue to address.

Looks like I'll have to be the voice of dissent here.  I don't mind the occasional action shots AS LONG AS IDENTITIES ARE PROPERLY CONCEALED/PROTECTED.  If you can't photoshop your pix in such a way don't post them.

Continued restrictions on the forum will only result in less posting and reporting.  We all do this as a hobby.  We have many rules to follow everywhere, everyday.  Who needs more.  It just becomes a chore. Lets keep this relaxed and open.  I think the way this forum self polices itself is GOOD.  Lets give punters freedom of choice and expression in whats posted.  If someone crosses the line,  then take action on a case by case basis.  Lets not create one size fits all rules that lessens the experience for some.

The real problem for this communitiy is not what gets posted,  its how people use it to negotiate a better session or for freebies.  Thats the danger...not pix that are posted AS LONG AS IDENTITIES ARE PROPERLY CONCEALED.

More rules won't make it better.  The net result will be less reports and less overall value of the forum to the community.

Indeed posting portrait pics are fine and probably naked pics should the WGs agree to post for us when we request for souvenier photos after the deed.

As i've said before i admire BLAZZA for having the WGs post for him and his posts are great even with those naked pics and as far as i'm concern, i dont recall anyone complain but just all admirations.

I'm beginning to understand WHATS IN THE FORUM, STAYS IN THE FORUM. It means the field reports that  are posted and shared to us by fellow members for us to enjoy and serve as basis on certain WGs that we may like to try should just stay with us. In short NO LEAKAGE should be done specially telling the WGs that someone on a certain forum just reported how daring she was in bed or how poor she was in bed.

I thinks its best for the MODS to settle this and as members, we just have to respect and follow whatever conclusion they will come out to resolve this issue.

Well I may look like a perv here but I agree that hardcore pics shloud not be banned as long as faces are protected. Basically hardcore pics should never have a face (dont know if its the case yet) and soft pics can. In that case, if the pics are leaked, after a few years it'll be impossible to match the two thus hurt the wg if she has retired no?
In any case I trust the mods will take the right decision!

“We cannot control what is leaked out, but we can control the content bros will bring in.”
Agree with u on that 100%.
That is the key!

But, i am against a rule that permits action pics in general.

1. If u see an action pic with no faces and only the bodys it is ok. Nobody gets hurt, because when we have a leak,
nobody can identify the actors.
For example:
http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... &extra=page%3D1
i have no problem with that, also i see no danger for the WG if a pic leaks out.

2. If u have an action pic with bodys and faces and no clear permission to post, then u must black/cover out the faces.
Nobody gets hurt, because when we have a leak, nobody can identify the actors.

3. And there are out in the world a lot of Wgs and pornamateurs there, they like to be filmt in action:
For example look here:
http://www.privatamateure.com/
100´of girls they are looking for some fuckbudys to be filmt in action for free, with the intention that this pics/movies are
posted on the net! They love it.

I'm with Stu and FrenchExpat, et. al.: Don't ban the hardcore stuff.

The simpler the rule the better: just require all faces to be blurred.  Simple.  You defuse the permission issue, you protect the girl's identity, and you can post whatever you want: portraits, clothed, unclothed, BJ's, anal, whatever.  The girl will never have an issue with her family and friends and we'll all never have to fight about who got what permission.

Please ... no need for anyone to get their knickers into a twist ...
we, the mods, will come up with something sensible & workable, it may not please everyone but we will try ...

Regarding action shots, a little observation I would like to share...

Earlier, whilst reading the posts here about no need for action shots, I agreed.  

The argument was, head shot (to compare to DB) and a naked shot (to see the real shape of the girl again compared to DB) were all that was necessary.

However, after just seeing the following report http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... mp;page=1#pid398334 I can now understand why some bros would also like the action shots if possible.

From seeing just the face and body shots of this girl, I wouldn't have decided to visit her.  Not MCOT.   But her face "in the moment" in those action shots is just totally different.  My COT!! And in fact...may be enough to make me change my mind and pay her a visit.

Of course whatever decision the mods reach will be respected, but just wanted to offer this view as it wasn't discussed above, that the action shots may hold additional value in this way.  Although perhaps a higher RA than even 40 should be considered for those.  

Looking forward to reading the new rules that the mods publish so we can have a clear process in future.

[ Last edited by  issacbleeder at 18-12-2011 01:02 ]

punters are getting more and more creative to maximize the Karma points. We are ourselves to blame, we award maximum Ks to the report with extra pics. Also raunchier the pics, more Ks the the report will get. Now some are trying to sneak in bbbj pics, I am not surprised.

In certain extent, you are right, it should leave it to Goose to reply, I was felt it is not so good on that kind of comment which lost the fair judgement.

I think you know why I stopped the report posting in here some time... two things happened and de-motivate my intention to post anymore.  Now, since some new rules on photo posting will be applied, I'll wait for the new rules and see how to go... haha.  But, I am really consider to post report again... may be for limited friends sharing only.

BTW, I still feel the spirit of this forum is different from my principal, the way on mods handling don't make me feel warm in here anymore... as mods stated previously, stay or go, it is upto us only.... hope you understanding my feeling.

I'm still respect you because you took the advice to remove the photos.  I agreed the handling of this case can be better, both Goose and mods.

Regarding to the permission on the girls, it is not difficult to communicate.  If there is any language constraint, just show her the photos you took, it is so simple.

in my viewpoint, neg K is not so serious, serious is the response after K negged.  I saw such a big response on that for parties.

Thanks for your reply on your own situation/outlook i/o speaking on behalf of Goose.

Anyway, I can empathize with what you are saying  .... and here it goes again and I'll probably be branded as a Mod shoe shine boy... AGAIN! .... BUT, I think you realize that the Mods needs to do things for the BETTER good of the forum as a general.  And I know you agree that the Mod's job is never an easy one...and to think they only voluntarily do this!!

This being so, of course one "ruling" or another is not going to please everybody...and worse, it don't please somebody or another most times; but if you think of the greater good of the forum i/o just from your own POV....well... I hope you understand.

And as far as the Mods saying "stay or go - its up to you" well.... that is FACT isn't it? All they can do is make the best that the forum - IN THEIR OPINION - can be. If they only listen to you (or worse, say only me!!) - do you think that others are not gonna leave in disgust and as an exodus?

We all make mistakes, and its most times best to really examine and try to figure out what it is that is mistaken in our POV/actions, correct it if you find out that you HAD been mistaken OR just to forget about it and go on to enjoy life as what it is.  Real life as well as 141 life!!  

And also think about it - is your anonymous presence on a board such as ours so uncompromising  and serious that one thing or another is gonna stop you from enjoying it? Something which I'm pretty sure you did before you started to over-emphasize each one of our individual contribution to the board?  You, I and all other members here - includng the individual mods AND Goose  - are just a single one in quite a large number of other contributors.

Ciao

SEAJ

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 19-12-2011 11:29 ]

Excuse me happppy

"I agreed the handling of this case can be better, both Goose and mods"

with all due respect, the mod handling on this thread ? we haven't handled anything yet so what are you talking about ?


"BTW, I still feel the spirit of this forum is different from my principal, the way on mods handling don't make me feel warm in here anymore... as mods stated previously, stay or go, it is upto us only.... hope you understanding my feeling."

and with all due respect again, please elaborate if your are talking about the gan of 4 incident or if there is more ?  if there is a lot to talk about, lets start another thread on this and I would be most willing to engage you and your complaints ...


Edit :


does that mean when any bro shows the pic they just took to the WG and the WG seems happy with that pic it implies that its OK for that bro to keep that pic and post iton the internet if he wants to ?


I believe its not the negging by itself ... it was the way how you and GARY suddenly came back to life and in this thread to support Goose, together, to bully the OP to remove the pics

[ Last edited by  twiceAweek at 20-12-2011 09:12 ]

Gentlemen,

Hope I'm not too late to add my 2 cents on this subject?

I realize I'm not the most active contributor to this forum, but I always do my best to post quality stuff that adds value to the forum. Also, let me start by saying I have nothing but respect for the senior members and mods of this forum. This truly is a first-rate forum and I hope it continues to be that way.

Goose's handling of fjackass' post:
I agree with many of the other posters. This could have been handled in a more sophisticated and discreet manner. I won't delve into this too much as enough has already been said.

For bros, by bros!!!
I would however like to second a point that Blazza made earlier: I strongly believe this forum is supposed to be for bros, by bros. The moment that senior members and especially mods start to get too close to the WG's / Agents and start acting on behalf of them, I think you'll quickly start seeing a disconnect with many of the forum's loyal members. For me, it will instantly break a level of trust I have in the authenticity and content of this forum.

Second, I would also strongly like to request all bros on this forum to NOT share to content of this forum with the WGs (don't even talk about agents). As much as you might be tempted to share reports, pics, etc with the girls, please don't. As mentioned earlier by other posters, it completely kills the free nature in which bros can post positive or negative reports of WGs. This should stay our platform where we feel free to share the good , the bad and the ugly

Posting hardcore pics of the girls
I'll be the first one to admit that I have posted hardcore pics of girls. I'm also the first one to admit that seeing other posts with hardcore pics turns me on (yes...I'm a perv too...) With hardcore I mean explicit pics showing a WG sucking my dick, or other kind of highly explicit actions (call them visible penetration scenes). After reading through this thread, I must agree that posting such pics with their faces fully recognizable is probably a bad idea. I always though that by assigning a high RA (50+) would be sufficient, but yes, it's still possible for them to leak and get into the wrong hands. So, no matter what the new pic posting rules turn out to be, I will be masking out the WG's face for highly explicit pics from now on.

To elaborate a bit further, for me real pics have several important purposes:
1. To show the girl's real face vs. the db face.
2. To show the girl's real body vs. the db body.
3. To show if the girl is fun and kinky during the session. That's where the action shots play an important role!

So to address the above 3 points:
1. We can post dressed pics of the girl with her face.
2. We can post naked (non-hardcore) pics with her face masked out, or visible with high RA assigned.
3. We can post hardcore pics with the girl's face masked out.

Like this we can see both the real face and the real body, if lucky we see the fun factor, and all without violating the WG's 'privacy'. Above are just my ideas/suggestions, but of course I will respect whatever new rules are provided.

Asking permission to post pics
I too believe that this is a no go. I hope you guys won't blast me for this, but this is my honest opinion:

These girls aren't stupid. They are adults and even those coming from the mainland will/should fully understand that digital pictures can always end up on the web. So, IMHO, if a girl agrees to have pics taken, especially if she proceeds to pose in front of the camera, that's good enough for posting on this forum. Unauthorized pics should of course be strictly forbidden. It's easy without any compatible language skills to understand if a WG is ok with having her pics taken. It's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to discuss with them if they're ok with having their pics posted on a forum.

In Conclusion
I look forward to the new pic posting rules. I hope they will be simple, fair but will maintain the original spirit of this great forum. Finally, may I ask everybody (including the mods) to remember to keep this forum fun! We're talking about a hobby here, something that I believe we all have great passion for. In that spirit, let's keep things friendly, fun yet sophisticated going forward

[ Last edited by  bbbj at 20-12-2011 01:42 ]

Yes quality post with quality pictures - as attested by your last report which elicited at least 30 member's very favorable response and garnered you over 125 K's. http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... 5684&highlight=

Hope the Mods will take that report - and member's responses to such - into account when deliberating the policy on picture posting..

SEAJ

Ps edit:

And whilst at it - what happened to "What happens in the forum, stays in this forum?"
Seems like the thread is now mostly just concentrating on the question of how to handle pictures.
IMHO the more serious problem uncovered here is the fact that some members - especially some SENIORS - had been blatantly uncaring about how their actions in disclosing/showing others' reports to the WG's/Agent will result in other members becoming wary of posting up reports/share and care.
IMHO, we should send a very strong message to these offending members.

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 20-12-2011 02:31 ]