I started seeing WGs in the early 1990s, when I was in my late 30s -- but very sporadically.  A few years later, my now ex-wife and I had marital issues, and we did a lot of couples therapy.  The process was a real eye-opener...  Listening to her in that venue made me realize that not only did I not understand women in the slightest, but also that I did not really value them as human beings.  At that time, my concept of sex was "what can I get from a girl"...  

The couples therapy did improve my interaction with my ex-wife for a while.  But the biggest impact it had was that it turned seeing WGs into an entirely different -- and more wonderful -- experience.  Whereas sex used to be a confrontational battlefield of sexual give versus take, it became this wonderland of mutual sensual exploration.  The only down side is that I became hopelessly addicted to seeing WGs for a decade, which ruined my marriage and caused me to run through almost half a million USD... but I digress...

I'm now 62, an American in Asia.  The 60+ members here on this site are a very small (2.3 percent) minority.  I don't know whether Westerners are the majority or minority.  But my sense is that mongering styles in Asia differ from those in the US.  Whereas my mongering friends in the US sought out highly passionate GFE sessions in which they sought to "make love", my sense here is that the Asian style is much more about pounding away and "having sex" with a really attractive young girl.  

For example, I cite the following review (which stuck in my head since I read it five months ago) by a young Canadian-born Chinese guy...  http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/viewthread.php?tid=54282

I've excerpted a number of phrases from the review.  I was struck by the fact that his attitude toward sex was very much what I felt when I was young, except with added overtones of dominance and aggression...  And while I cannot remember other posts offhand, my sense is that young Asians in general are prone to treating sex as conquest...  
   
"18 yr old young meat"
"smashed silly"
"lifted her up mid air missionary and dominated her"
"devour this young thing"
"started fingering & DFK just to shut her up"
"while fking her silly"
"she said was a bit painful in a good way"
"Third time i just ignored her and smashed away"
"was nice to see her begging me to slow down"
"a little bit a rapey feeling here lol"

My question is this...  Is this difference I perceive in mongering styles due to cultural difference or age difference?  When I was in the US, there were very few young guys (<35) who were active on the discussion boards.  So I am not really aware of what mongering attitudes among young Westerners might be.  

I welcome open discussion.  I am not trying to infer that any style is better or worse...  it's just different...

Have fun, CGP

[ Last edited by  Caligynephiliac at 4-12-2015 17:11 ]

I am more interested in the US$500,000 you have spent, that is a serious number of women to have knobbed and I salute you.
This made me think about what I have spent and come up with a figure of around US$80,000 mind you I only started in May 2012 and most of that is travel and accommodation to Thailand, Hong Kong and China and better still I have only regretted the 600rmb  I spent on a street walker in Shekou on brother Obe's advise

As far as attitudes go I can be of little help as I have only been at this for just over 3 years and have no Asian friends to discuss this with.
I doubt it is an age thing though some people get off in dominating others especially girls and I am sure you will find these people in all age and race groups.
Give me the GFE and treat her like a lady is my style as it is with my friends that I have meet from this site.

Hi Bro,

Interesting topic!

I have been punting for about 8 years now starting in KTVs in Changping and Dongguan, then saunas in Changping, Chang An, Danshui and Shenzhen and now bars in Shekou and Wan Chai.

During this time I have met many people from different walks of life. I have punted with mainland Chinese, Hong Kong, Australian, British, New Zealanders and Americans with age differences ranging from 25 to 70 years of age.

I have seen some older gentlemen treat the girls like shit and some younger guys treat them like ladies and vice versa.

I personally don't think mongering styles is an age or cultural thing. I believe it is just "horses for courses".
Some guys get off on GFE (this is the bracket I fall in) and others prefer the domination / rougher sex.

I met a guy once who was so happy the girl was crying when he fucked her up the arse. I was disgusted but obviously this tickles his fancy. I get off on taking the girl out for a bite to eat or to let her sleep the night in a comfortable air-conditioned room. Once again horses for courses.

I also think younger writers on the forum sometimes use poor choices in words like "smashed her puss" or "belted her hard".

On another note there is no way I am going to try calculate how much I have spent on this hobby as I need to be able to sleep at night!

Obe

My only comment on this subject may or may not apply.  My age (70+), may have something to do with it, I don't know.

I am much more into the GFE, in fact, I think too much!  I love to treat the (KTV) girl well, including dinners, sightseeing or shopping, maybe a real massage, and back to the hotel for great passionate sex.  Yes, this normally requires a repeat girl and this is where I run into problems, and it has happened more than once.  

First few times are great!  Everything you could want sexually and GFE!  However as the repeat becomes a regular, the GFE may stay the same but the sex goes downhill.  Of course I am still paying for her company one way or another but it is not not straight dollars for sex, although probably costs me more in the long run.

My thoughts could be that directly paying for sex you get the performance, when it turns into more GFE, they feel they don't have to perform anymore.  Yes it is still sex and good GFE, but the intensity my be lacking?  In fact I have had one girl tell me it is her job to please me and that I don't need to try to please her, and this was when she was getting ready to leave in morning and she wanted to move over in front of the mirror so we could watch her getting it Doggy in mirror .  DATY, etc.

After about 15 years in the hobby I have landed as a GFE seeking punter.

I am overly sensitive to other punters that talk about going hard, smashing that ass, and those types of statements. There isn't anything wrong with it, but it just rubs me the wrong way overall.

The challenge here is when I've found a girl I'm really into and at some point she starts asking me to pull her hair, slapping her ass, choke her, and any other action that most guys would enjoy. It just doesn't do it for me. I always oblige, but if she has any type of radar, she will easily be able to tell I'm just going through the motions. I lost probably my favorite WYP girl of all time due to her tastes in getting roughed up during sex.

The funny part of this story is that when I find the right pro, my desire for the more intimate moments works in my favor. I think many of these girls see a lot of the go hard crowd and they like the change up of a guy that wants to be more intimate. Not always a rule, but it has worked more often than not in my favor.

I do however have a specific type when it comes to the girls I connect with in the hobby. I normally avoid the hardcore pro types and seek the girl next door types when possible.

As far as money? Not interested in doing that math. But if I include travel costs, it would be more than enough to get a four year degree from an Ivy League school.

Great topic Calig.

I dont think it is an age thing.  Yeah, peeps might go thru short phases, where a certain look, or a certain sexual act is sought after;  but in general I think most of us know what what we like by our early twenties.  

There is no question for me that GFE has always been paramount.  GFE with an absolute knockout the perfect score. And therefore repeating with those I really enjoyed became the norm.   Screwing a girl, versus screwing a girl who WANTS to be screwing you ---- just a nite and day difference, right?  Once you find a place that delivers that over and over (Wanchai) it is pretty hard to go back to alternative mongering methods.  

I treated them like my new wonderous girlfriend....  and got treated like a king in return.  Pretty damn nice.  Doesnt mean we didnt fuck like wild rabid animals!  We absolutely did!!!  Just means it never felt "rapey" like the asshole mentioned in the first post.  Our lust was mutual.  My girls left with an exhausted smile asking when we could meet again.... not feeling battered, disrespected and raped.

[ Last edited by  wander at 5-12-2015 11:45 ]

Becoming familiar with that regular - it doesn't have to be a bad thing.  Yes the sex may not have the nervous tension that you have as you figure each other out, but what is lost is replaced by something arguably more valuable - relaxation, intimacy and the freedom to just hang out.

As far as the rough guys...  I think it is an age thing rather than a cultural thing.  Both in words and deeds.  Young relatively inexperienced guys cover up their insecurity with locker room talk.  I'm not sure all that rough stuff really happens - but they'd rather be perceived as tough guys than pussies.

Maybe they also believe that only runts 'have to pay for it'.  So they're not interested in a paid girlfriend - that ego insulting kind of thing is beneath them.  Paying for a porn star however - now that's ok.

But talking to girls - why do they seek out older dudes in the bars? - they do say that they get treated better.  Both with money and guys being gentlemen to them and treating them like they've found a new treasured girlfriend rather than a whore.

There is one difference amongst the GFE loving mongers and that is the desire to let go.  Some maintain extensive networks of WG friends, others - while treating the girl very well, don't want any contact after the session.

The interesting thing I discovered about GFE from WGs is that it is almost always available from almost all WGs -- if you have the time to coax it out (thru repeats).  And it doesnt take long.  Bargirls, massage girls, strippers, suana girls, apartment girls.....  whatever.  They all love the feeling of a big warm hug just like everybody else.  Yeah, there are a few ultra-stonecold gals, to be sure, but in general I have had great success in getting to a wonderful GFE place with all types of WGs.

IIRC, 1 research showed that younger men were more into hardcore porn compared to older men who preferred more love making porn.

I can also c ur point that the typical asian man is not physically intimidating so he compensates it by being rough with the WGs.

Ok!  I am posting more because the topic is great!  

I connect with several regular WG's via wechat and a couple mommies also.  What I have noticed in the Moments part of wechat is many of the posts by my WG's are concerned with love, romance, intimacy, respect, marriage, etc.  Indicates to me me that many of the WG's, while still selling their pussy, are looking for that intangible and elusive (at least in their profession), love and romance!  So when we treat a WG like a real person we can break through that crust that they have to use to justify their "work".

Maybe explains why a small gift when I return to one of my regulars gets such great rewards.

I'm in the GFE camp.  I prefer to attempt to seduce, not dominate.  Better results for the most part.

Almost all of my sessions have been the slow, patient GFE type except for the few times a Sauna girl would grab my ass in lotus and commence a pile-drive to make me cum earlier. Just go to show pursuing the GFE route can only work with some girls...I guess that is why I never tried out the girls at the Lisboa race track nor the Shanghai St girls because everyone writes those girls are on limited time and have the "I-want-to-turnover-the-tables-quickly' attitude. Time is necessary to charm / seduce the girl.

On another thought, I think there is a way to guess whether a dude is a 'wham-bam-domineering' type or a 'GFE-seeker' type by observing how he behaves while out drinking with the boys. You may why wonder why should you care whether a buddy is a domineering jerk with chicks or not, well it becomes important when we are on a boys trip away from HK. I don't need the headaches of someone who insults people, goes on drunken fights, pull superior attitude, and treats girls so poorly that mamasan or her posse, triad. corrupt cops will come out to harass/beat up us.

Too many ppl forget it can really suck if a trip goes badly south because of a jerk in the group in China/Thailand/Macau...or even in dark alley in HK.

I'm all for GFE, the only time when I'm not is when the WG has set the mood for something else then I just go with the flow.

I'm white in my early 30s BTW.

Absolutely 100% could not agree more! We had a boys weekend in Wan Chai with 3 bros from here and a few other non forum members.
One guy (non forum member) totally fucked up a Saturday night by starting a fight in Neptunes 3 and then later at HK Cafe.

Quitely between the group I think we were all hoping the bouncer at HK Cafe would teach him a lesson but the bouncer told me he is not allowed to hit westerners as it causes to much trouble and unwanted attention.

Anyway the next day we all went on the maid parade minus him

Obe

Hi bros,

With my punts it is GFE almost everytime.
It's amazing how LFK, DFK or even hugging can add to the excitement and lead to the best orgasms.

I love the GFE and often will try get a few more things off the menu if the girl is willing which I can't get with the SO. Examples are CIM and COB.

Obe

Interesting subject. I've come to a similar conclusion but it wasn't from observing and chatting with guys. It was from the girls. Most of the WG's Iv'e encountered here in HK and China seemed to have that "let's get it over with" attitude.  I began to sense over time that it wasn't always about how "many tricks can I turn in a day" as much as "I wish this fucker would just blow his load and stop treating me like a jag rag".

Especially at the old Thai Ally, I used to talk with the girls about how and why they were doing this work and what the experience was like. Most were quite candid. Every single one said they like westerners better. Even with a case of GDS they still preferred us, especially American, Canadians and most Europeans. Every single one I asked said we were much nicer, treated them as women with feelings. They said we would kiss them and show affection as if we meant it and give them a bit of attention -  sort of a BFE that they appreciated. I certainly gave them some love and it usually paid off.

The only nice thing they would say about the remainder of the customers was that they were often very fast. They bend the girl over, flail away, pay and leave all within 10 minutes. Whether this is cultural is something I hesitate to discuss. I don't like to generalise and there certainly are going to be exceptions but it is difficult to avoid making my own private assumptions about the typical punting style in this part of the world.

Hey I saw this post and I find it very interesting. First I read the punt of X0333 and I find it a bit shocking to what he did to her sounds like a bit too rough for me. And like you guys I'm all for the GFE. I see wg's like every normal girls/woman. They are not objects or whatever. There's no difference in my eyes between a female teacher wg's they are all human beings with feelings. Even with every wg I will have thought that she could be my real life girlfriend so its a must to treat her respectful. But during the punt I always analyse if the wg is more into gfe or pse and I will adjust to them. A PSE session does not mean I'm gonna smash or something with her. It's just a higher pace and doing more positions with her. Anyway I will always prefer a good slow pace GFE that we both can enjoy together.

From my experience its a bit hard to find a good gfe in walk ups, because most walk up wg's just want to make money and wants you to shot your load in minutes. With every punt I did is really talking to a wg. Asking how the life is in HK (Im still a not a local in HK). If she just giving me some simple or cold answers back I know I wouldn't get a gfe session, but it isnt a big deal for me. You always need some luck to find wg that will have a good connection with you. That's why I liking walk up so much, because it gave me feeling of treasure hunting and finding a gem that would give a awesome gfe. It's like winning or losing. And also for me it will get bit easier to end up with a good gfe, because I will have no language barrier with them unlike the only english members here I think. And like mrclren said I dont prefer repeating a girl, because the sex will go downhill. I can't tell of the experience with a HG, because I havent tried it yet, but maybe I will get a chance if Im in HK next year february.

Lastly I've never been a dominating type. If a wg is really only comfortable with one position then I wouldnt mind to stay in one position. Im a typical 'if shes happy then Im happy' guy. So for me, I always prefer GFE in any conditions even though I'm young and have less experienced than you guys.

I'm reading this topic again and it's pleasant to see the most active members are on the same page.

I agree with everything that has been written here, I would just add that to me something that really became obvious over the time is how a punt is an encounter with a woman. Sure, we pay and it's a transaction but it's not possible to completely detach from the intimacy of the situation. When I meet a new girl I'm excited on how we will interact, if she's shy how will I be able to make her feel comfortable? Will she be cheerful/happy/talkative? Are we going to click sexually? Is she going to let her guard down?

I'm a serious "repeat-er", a large proportion of my punts are repeats because when I find a good match it goes better every time, not downhill. The excitement of the discovery is not there anymore but it is replaced by a complete trust and complicité.

Yes indeed.  I repeat BECAUSE it gets better and better.  The newness and mystery of a brand new encounter is awesome....  but the 1st sex with ANY girl is almost never the best (you are both not quite yourselves, not truly comfortable, as you suss each other out).  

This "new girlfriend" lust remains when you repeat but TRUST slowly gets added.  Mmmmmm, now it is truly intimate, playful and VERY adventurous.  The best sex ever!

Yes, the search for that perfect GFE is part of the hobby.  Good to hear that you are into it


Have you tried the bar scene?  Those bargirls give some of the best GFE anywhere.