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[Bangkok][Nana Plaza]

Nana Plaza is a 3 story red-light district in Bangkok, which is rumoured to be the largest sex complex in the world.

It is on Sukhumvit Road Soi 4 across from the Nana Hotel, within walking distance of the BTS Skytrain's "Nana Station".

The name originates from the Nana family (Lek Nana being the most prominent member) which owns much property in the area and still has much influence in Thailand.

The plaza is roughly square-shaped, with a single opening on the west side, and consists of a ground floor and two additional floors. It started as a restaurant area in the late 1970s. During the early 1980s, a few go-go bars appeared and gradually replaced the restaurants. There are some places on the ground floor selling kebabs and hamburgers etc for the hungry punter.

Several short-time hotels operate on the middle and top floors. I paid between 250 and 350 baht for an hour. Typically the rooms were clean (although one had cum stains from a previous punter) and you have your own private showers. I found the love hotel on the Angel Witch side to be the cleanest and surprisingly the cheapest. You either pay at the love hotel or have it included in your bar fine bill and the girl will show a receipt / docket on arrival.

Make sure you negotiate time and number of pops with the girl before getting to the love hotel otherwise they will assume single pop. If you want just take the girl back to your hotel but again make sure you negotiate and agree on everything before leaving the go-go bar.

Typical bar fines range from 500 baht to 700 baht and lady fees are anywhere from 2000 baht to 3000 baht from my experience for short time. Feel free to add your pricing to the thread.

Below is a list of all the bars in Nana Plaza. Several of them are Ladyboy bars only which I have marked on the list.
Several other bars have a few ladyboys in their line-ups mixed with their regular go-go dancers. Just ask out the front of the go-go bar and they will tell you.

Ground Floor

  • Nana Beer Garden
  • Suckers
  • Bangkok Bunnies
  • Bangkok MILFs
  • True Obsession - Ladyboy Bar
  • Rainbow 2
  • The Beer Bucket
  • London Calling
  • Playskool
  • Rainbow
  • Monster Ink
Middle Floor
  • Straps - (Ladyboy Bar)
  • Rainbow 3
  • Chili
  • Spanky's
  • Angelwitch
  • Sexy Bar
  • DC-10 - (Ladyboy Bar)
  • Casanova - (Ladyboy Bar)
  • A Fairy Bar - (Ladyboy Bar)
  • R & B Bar
  • Temptations - (Ladyboy Bar)
  • Candy Land 2
  • Mandarin Upstairs
  • Mandarin
  • Mercury
  • Balcony Bar
Top Floor
  • Erotica
  • Billboard
  • Bubbles
  • Charades - (Ladyboy Bar)
  • Jail Birdz
Below is a photo of the entrance to one of the most amazing places I have ever been.
Feel free to add your knowledge to this thread.

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JJJ37   27-3-2016 01:41  Karma  +5   Plus all the bars along the street leading up to Nana. Good finds there.
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James771   14-2-2016 07:21  Karma  +1   Thanks! Which of these are non-ladyboy places?
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Thai-delight   11-2-2016 17:17  Karma  +8   excellent info
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Freelancer   9-2-2016 10:11  Karma  +4   I might be returning to BKK in the fall
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If you want to know more about Nana Plaza check out this link below.
Loads of information and pictures.

http://nanaplazabkk.com/

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An Interview With Paul Hayward - Owner of Nana Plaza

Below is an interesting article with one of the owners of Nana Plaza and many other bars in Thailand.


Why has it taken 17 years for you to do this?
I’m not one for drawing attention to myself in the media. I always believed in business the important people are your customers. I would rather spend my time shaking hands and getting to know people rather than being behind a keyboard or a microphone.
Times have changed and social media is the most powerful source to communicate with your audience, so this old dinosaur needs to step up his game.

Recently a website stated you are the largest nightlife operator in Thailand by a country mile, is this true?
I guess so. People should also understand this has taken Micky Doherty and I almost 2 decades to build. We started with just a couple of bars and then built it up from there, adding 1-2 bars a year. It’s doesn’t sound much but over 20 years it adds up.

A lot of mystery and gossip surrounds the Eclipse Group.  What do you have to say about that?
Gossip and mystery is good for business. Nightlife is glamorous so over the years I’ve always felt any publicity is good publicity but in the last 8-9 months some people have taken it too far.

A well-known British blogger who fled Thailand in January has written some sensational stories about you. What do you have to say about this?
This blogger fled Thailand because he had a warrant out for his arrest, no other reason. If he comes back to Thailand he will be arrested not because Thailand’s laws about freedom of speech are poor as he likes to say, Thailand takes a dim view on individuals who tell lies about others for commercial gain. If you can prove what you write Thailand is ok. If you can’t, they protect the victim.
A few countries could take a leaf out of Thailand’s book on this. How many lives do these bloggers ruin?
Regarding the accuracy of his stories? I would say that he has got a couple of things right like err my name and my partners name. The rest is bordering on ridiculous. When you get into the nightlife business you have to become thick skinned. You will be likened to a sinister figure, the bigger you get the more absurd the rumours will become. I remember being in the clubs back home and gossiping with the other patrons about the club owners. Now people do it me. It’s part of the business.

Is it true you blocked his website in Thailand?
Absolutely not. He has worked hard to achieve that all by himself. He has 60+ court cases against him. A warrant out for his arrest and he has criticised this political regime, previous ones, the Army, the Police. Thailand has had enough of him.

Why haven’t you answered his accusations before now?
Because I wanted to do it in the court room. But he just won’t face me. His tells his readers that he has this and he has that. Then put up or shut up. He refuses to be served by my lawyers. He emails my lawyers asking if I want an address to serve the papers, when my lawyers respond “yes” he responds “you can’t have it”.
It’s important people understand what are the traits of a good blogger. You need to be a traffic whore. The more clicks you get the more advertising money you can make. The more sensational the story the higher the traffic. If you write a story that states someone is a good guy no one will want to read it. If you write someone is a bad guy people love it. A blogger gives his audience what they want. But a really good blogger knows that he needs to be able to avoid getting into the court room at any cost as he will never be able to back up his accusations as he had made them up.
People should know the difference between journalism and blogging. Journalism is researched articles written based on facts, proof and credible sources. Any blogger who claims to be a journalist but doesn’t follow these simple rules is a disgrace because he or she is misleading people.

How do you feel about this blogger personally?
I don’t really know the man. I’ve never met him.
We have spoken three times on the phone. One time he called me fishing for gossip. The second time we spoke about an investment in his new magazine concept, which I declined. The final time we spoke is when he asked me to do an airport check on a friend of his as a favour.
I only have issues with the lies he writes and that he is never man enough to stand by his accusations after an article is written.
The other time his name came up is when I recieved an anonymous email asking for $20,000,000 to be paid into an offshore bank account or my life would be made difficult on Google. That email told me to contact the blogger to work out the finer details. Let’s leave that one for court, yeah?

Are the rumors true you worked as a telephone salesperson when you first came to Thailand?
Absolutely not. Eclipse owned a chain of restaurants at the time it’s claimed I did that. What people don’t realise is Eclipse was trading in Hong Kong before expanding into Thailand in the summer of 1998.

This will be a blow to the people who believe your empire was built on millions of dollars of cash needing to be invested.
If you look at the balance sheets of my business you will see the share capital of my outlets. This includes the builds and the buys. If you look at the dividends stream of the Group you will see the dividends are greater than the share capital. That’s shows clearly we grew organically. The facts are there if people can be bothered to look. But that’s not an exciting story is it?

How do you think you are perceived by those who don’t know you or never met you in person?
Probably as a James Bond villain with sharks under a trapdoor in my elevator? People that know me and people that don’t will have a very broad range of ideas on what I’m like. But if you want to know me, come say hello, mines a Jack Coke.

Everybody wants to know about Nana Plaza. The rumour for years was that Nana Plaza was going to be demolished then out of nowhere came the news that you guys had taken it over. How did this come about?
I heard a few years ago that Qbar was going to be knocked down so I approached the then owners at the time to find out what was happening. They told me the lease was up and they couldn’t get the landlords on the phone. I always wanted to be a part of Qbar so I made the owners a proposition. If I can get you a new lease and provide enough cash to remodel and upgrade the place will you let me in 50/50. They agreed. We brought our side to it and the partnership was in place.
At the meeting I picked the landlords brains about property investment in the area. Indians and Thais always hear about the good property plays before farrangs. Nana Plaza was mentioned in passing. Seven sisters has inherited the land from the old boy who had passed. They wanted nothing to do with a red light area. The rest is history.

You have been criticised for hiking the rents. Is this criticism fair?
Well it’s true. We did increase the rents to bring the prices in line with the rest of Sukhumvit. The rental on my own places are the same as Nana and some higher.
Some bars were paying 7,000 baht per month rent for the last 10 years based on old handshakes. I think they had a good run.

Rumours are circulating that after the tenants 9 years are up Nana Plaza will be sold and developed into a large hotel and that no tenant can get a lease extension. Can you shed any light on this?
Nana Plaza will be around longer than anyone reading this article. It’s an institution. It’s going nowhere.

There were rumours a couple of years back you and Micky were going your own separate ways.
Again with the rumours. Micky and I have our differences and we argue like an old married couple. Then we sit down and discuss both sides and we both end up agreeing I’m right. I’m joking of course. We are a great team. Always pick your partners more carefully than you pick your wife. You can divorce a wife easily enough. Not so easy to move on a bad partner.

What’s the Eclipse groups plans for the future?
There has been no Eclipse Group for quite some time now. We were very close to floating on the stock exchange so it made sense for a while to pool all companies under one umbrella. We abandoned that idea a few years ago so we broke the Group up into multiple corporations for tax reasons. But our plans for the future are what they always have been. To ensure we have the best product available for patrons, whether it be food, cocktails, light or sound. We will always strive to be the market leader.

What’s the plans for Paul personally?
Be healthy and be happy.

Any advice to new expats coming to Thailand?
Yes. Stay away from drugs and motorcycles. The amount of funerals I have been to that involves either one of those two!!!!

Can you give my readers another couple of nuggets? Many are coming to Thailand and want to open businesses.
OK. I will give you two more. Firstly, If you are going to be a minority shareholder in a partnership never take less that 26 percent. This must be your minimum level of entry. Thai law only really protects people at 26% as they also have to offer you a directorship at this level.
Secondly, your directors are important not just a formality. A Thai director with no equity in your business can transfer all of your shares out of your name without your signature at companies house. So think before you consider yourself clever giving the maid or your driver a few thousand to sign a bit of paper.

Anything else?
Yes. Never ever put any assets in your Thai girlfriend or wife’s name. I do not understand why expats keep doing this. Love and business are not the same thing. That’s chapter one in my up and coming book.

Eh? You’re going to write a book?
Yes. I want to write a couple actually. The first one is going to be called “An Idiots Guide To Owning A Bar In Thailand”. I want to write a very simple book for people to read before they open a bar. I am still baffled that people open a bar thinking it’s easy and do it with zero experience. 7/10 bars fail in Thailand. It’s a risky business even with experience. But the horror stories I hear about people losing their asses are endless. So I’m writing a book for them.

What’s the second book?
An autobiography.

I’ll wrap things up for now by saying thank you for taking the time today.

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How to keep your spending under control!

A great article on how to drink beer and punt without getting ridiculous bills...
Well worth the read!

If Draft Beer Is An Option, Take It

Draft is a rarity in Bangkok, but in Pattaya, this rule is a given. Any bar that doesn’t offer draft beer goes out of business quickly. There’s a reason for that: Bottled beer is expensive. Draft is not. Sure, you may be drinking Chang, but you also can drink twice as many as your Heineken-swilling mates.

No Tequila Shots

The tequila shot has ruined the lady-drink system. LDs are what you buy to have a dancing dolly come sit and spend time with you. Tequila shots were created by bar bosses to maximize revenue at the expense of atmosphere. It resulted in the birth of hit-and-run drink whore. One shot and they’re gone or, worse, one slammer and they demand another before you’ve downed a third of the your Chang draft.

It may be hard to believe, you’ll find surprisingly little resistance to a No Tequila policy. When the subject of a lady drink comes up, simply ask what she wants. When she says tequila, say no, Their next suggestion will be orange juice or Coke. Suggest Sangsom Coke if you want them a bit liquored up.

The No Tequila rule is an effective way to quickly weed out the bloodsuckers. If she argues, she’s not worth your time or baht.

Watch The Clock

Speaking of lady drinks, the biggest rookie mistake is to buy one and, after the girl takes one sip, she gives you the “I go dance”. In Bangkok, girls work in sets. In Pattaya, she’ll return to the stage after the girl in line in front of her did. Pay attention.

Don’t buy lady drinks 15 minutes into a shift. That’s a wasted buy, unless you know she will return to you after 20 minutes. Likewise, be careful buying one minute into a set. She might be begging for a second drink before heading back to stage, one that will be left behind after one sip when “I go dance”.

Earn Your Tips

You give tips to waitresses for service. Same for bargirls. You give away nothing for free. If they want a tip, then they have to give up something for it. What that is depends on the bar you are in and your own personal morals. But if you’re in Crazy House, you don’t hand over a pink note to have her stand two feet from you fully clothed. You want me to give you something, you give me something. Tit for tat, so to speak.

Prices Are Relative - This is the key!

Bargirls think one price fits all and there’s one system for everyone. Short times cost this. Long times cost that. And it’s the same for the 18-year-old nymph or the 35-year-old boiler. This is the understanding of economics that comes from a ninth-grade education. You should know better.

There’s nothing wrong with taking an older, more “shapely” woman. But the opening bid for a long-time session begins at 1,000-1,500 baht. Young hotties earn more.

And if your former hottie has put on 10-plus kilos in the last year, you cut her rate. There’s less demand for her now, so you can pay less.

You’re Not The Drink Fairy

If you like a girl, buy her a drink. That does not mean you have to buy a drink for her friend, her “sister” and especially not the mamasan. Just ask her, you want me to spend money on you, or your friends. Greed always wins out.

Ditch The Double-Team

A corollary to the Drink Fairy rule is avoid getting double-teamed. Many times a cute girl will team up with her ugly mate and circle the bar like vultures, seeking to get one poor sucker to buy two drinks instead of one. Don’t be that sucker. Either tell the hot one you only want her, or just give them a dismissive wave as they approach in vain hope they learn.

Two Bins, Please

Not all rules deal with drink-sucking girls. Drink-sucking “mates” are an even greater problem, because (unless you’re “really” close), you’re not taking them home for a roll and a romp. Lazy Bangkok bar staff almost universally give one bill for a group of two or 20. This can lead to getting stuck paying for Coronas from some smiling Yank with his baseball cap on backward who you barely know, or, worse, lady drinks for his toothless tart companion. Avoid the awkwardness. Get separate bins every time.

Taxi Fares And Fairs

Never take a Bangkok taxi that won’t use the meter. Got a smartphone? Report anyone that tries to shill you.

At the same time, don’t be adding taxi fares on top of your new teerak’s service charge. Sure fire way to avoid back-talk: Include small bills in the her payment.

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Angelwitch

I used to go to Nana Plaza a lot back in the day. I really liked it there. I went to Angelwitch a lot as I liked all the sexy underwear the girls wear - but - I will never, ever go there again.

I soon came to realize that the girls add drinks to your bill and when you complain they take your bill and take a beer off but add a different one which confuses things further making it difficult to clear things up.

This happened every time I went there for my last few visits. Before that I didn't realize it was happening but probably was. Management don't help and become aggressive. I've heard lots of other guys complaining about the same thing.

Also, the girls are like vultures - as soon as they sit next to you they give you a story about a sick family member and ask you for money. This was my experience there. Never again.

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Reply #5 Frappe's post

A good way to fix the problem with padded bills is to check every time a new drink is purchased. If the mamasan sees you checking your bill all the time they won't try slip a few extra drinks on top.

As for sick relatives or the family buffalo is sick that is common in every country i punt in. Just ignore it.

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QUOTE:
Ground Floor

Nana Beer Garden
Suckers
Bangkok Bunnies
Bangkok MILFs
True Obsession - Ladyboy Bar
Rainbow 2
The Beer Bucket
London Calling
Playskool
Rainbow
Monster Ink
Middle Floor
Straps - (Ladyboy Bar)
Rainbow 3
Chili
Spanky's
Angelwitch
Sexy Bar
DC-10 - (Ladyboy Bar)
Casanova - (Ladyboy Bar)
A Fairy Bar - (Ladyboy Bar)
R & B Bar
Temptations - (Ladyboy Bar)
Candy Land 2
Mandarin Upstairs
Mandarin
Mercury
Balcony Bar
Top Floor
Erotica
Billboard
Bubbles
Charades - (Ladyboy Bar)
Jail Birdz

Can you list the approximate age range of the girls working at these places, as we know you have a reputation and we'd like to make sure we find some in their 20s

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cruman999   11-2-2016 11:38  Karma  +1   Obe didnt spend to much time in the gogo bars none were old enough for his tastes.
obe   11-2-2016 10:41  Karma  +5   All lies... Lol
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cruman999   11-2-2016 11:38   Karma   +1   Obe didnt spend to much time in the gogo bars none were old enough for his tastes.  

I managed to buy a drink or two for the old mamasan's

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jake.houston   13-2-2016 09:52  Karma  +2   ^^What he said^^. Only thing faster than Obe's LB is his wallet. I think they can smell it on him.
cruman999   11-2-2016 11:53  Karma  +1   Thats not surprising as you are a soft cock and buy everyone a bloody drink especially when I am paying half the bill
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Hi Ramont,

Most girls are between 20 to 30 so you are safe from the grannies.
Hope you like girls with bolt ons as Nana Plaza is full of them in some bars.

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An amusing photo

I couldn't help but have a chuckle when seeing this photo from Thailand.
Make anyone feel inadequate?

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If Draft Beer Is An Option, Take It

Draft is a rarity in Bangkok, but in Pattaya, this rule is a given. Any bar that doesn’t offer draft beer goes out of business quickly. There’s a reason for that: Bottled beer is expensive. Draft is not. Sure, you may be drinking Chang, but you also can drink twice as many as your Heineken-swilling mates.
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Question. Who the F*rk drinks Heineken ?

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cruman999   12-2-2016 14:06  Karma  +1   Bullshit Obe, the San Miguel hot hostess in Bangkok converted me :)
obe   12-2-2016 10:54  Karma  +5   Cruman999 until I converted him!
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cruman999   12-2-2016 14:06   Karma   +1   Bullshit Obe, the San Miguel hot hostess in Bangkok converted me   

OK, that is true she did convert you.
Thank god they don't have Fosters or XXXX girls in Bangkok! I wouldn't drink with you ever again

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Reply #4 obe's post

Quick question: for the Nana and Soi Cowboy go-go's, is there a cover or they just expect you to buy drinks as soon as you go in?

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The No Tequila rule is an effective way to quickly weed out the bloodsuckers. If she argues, she’s not worth your time or baht.

I learn No Tequila rule in my second trip. After 9/10 years of holiday in Thailand i never paid one tequila again.
If a girl ask me for tequila, she can move to the next customer.
I travel 10.000km for have sex not for lose time in drink and pay ladydrink.

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Please, don't be a Lame Dupe Over Payer (google it if you don't know) while you are in Pattaya (and every where in the world)
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Reply #14 Dr.A's post

I dont mind buying the girls drinks if it is in a decent size glass and there is some alcohol in it.

Buying shots is bullshit as they slam it back in a nano second and then ask for another one.

I did meet a few girls in Thailand that drank beer which was really good. The drink lasts longer so better bang for your buck.

Obe

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Originally posted by obe at 14-2-2016 10:46
I dont mind buying the girls drinks if it is in a decent size glass and there is some alcohol in it.

Buying shots is bullshit as they slam it back in a nano second and then ask for another one.

I di ...

There are a few bars in Vietnam that I love drinking at. The girls there will drink at a slow pace and will only ask for 1 drink to sit with you. I find you have a really good time with them and there is no pressure from there end, and that makes me feel comfortable buying them drinks.

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Nana Plaza as of March 2016

There has been quite a lot of changes in Nana Plaza recently with name changes etc...
Please see updated maps below.

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jake.houston   30-3-2016 11:11  Karma  +10   Did you make an investment in NP while you were there Obe?
austin821   30-3-2016 08:52  Karma  +3   Great work Obe
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jake.houston  30-3-2016 11:11  Karma  +10  Did you make an investment in NP while you were there Obe?

Made a few investments towards my happiness!
Left a few deposits in the love hotels in NP

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True Obsession was the last place I pulled a girl out of. Tiny little spinner (30kg I reckon) and took her to the grubby ST hotel on site. I got a bit carried away and really jammed my meet into her, and I think I did her a mischief as she was curled on the bed afterwards saying she was hurt! Not surprising really because before I put it in, I rested it on her and the tip of my cock was in the vicinity of her rib cage! She was tiny for sure. Anyway, a few drinks for her and tip and she was fine.

I usually preferred though getting all horny in the bars, and then plucking something from the street / car park area there though. I had a cracking 19 yr old, tall, skinny, almost virgin snatch (and yes, it was 100% woman). 1000 baht long time. She was wearing black disco pants, which turn me on so much that if she asked for 2k no problem. She did everything apart from anal.

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I understand that the empty space next to bill board is opening soon and its going to be called Grannies, I think this is in responce to Obe announcing plans to relocate to Bangkok

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