To the drop kick Andy wearing the rugby jersey with number 9 on your back in Neptune 3 last night.
Do not be an arsehole and treat these girls like shit, pay what you agreed and treat them like ladies they are.
They are not there for you to use and abuse you low life.

I hope you are not a member of this forum and you are certainly someone I would not cross the street to piss on if you where on fire (though i would gladly add some petrol).

More detail of the experience would be appreciated before one judges...

He was your typical drunk asshole, offered to pay to swap cloths (I was not present for this part, wish I was though) and after the girl complied refused to pay then abusive and forceful with a second girl, so much so she was very upset afterwards.
Sorry but prats like this ruin it for everyone and as I said these girls are doing us the favour not the other way round.
I know both these girls and they are the good ones, there are bad on both sides but this guy is not doing us any favours.

[ Last edited by  cruman999 at 22-5-2013 05:07 ]

Hi Freelancer

It just seems that as long as they are spending money across the bar the establishment does niot care but also I suppose the girls do not want to make a fuss as they need the bars as much as the bars need them.

Sorry but it makes my blood boil when shits like this think they are have the right to take advantage of these girls, for fucks sake i am just glad i dont live in their world and at the end of the day for what you give them it is a pittence to most of us.

Maybe I have been lucky but 99% of the girls I have been with are just nice girls trying to make a living and i dont think any worse of them it just makes me appreciate the life I have more.

Yeah, I've met a few in my time.  When at Escape once there was a guy there drinking heavily, grabbing the girls and trying to get 2 or 3 at a time.  He wasn't abusive but mildly forceful.  The girls were a bit hesitant of course.  He told me he does nothing, had plenty of money that his wife's family was loaded.  He wasn't anything to look at really.  These guys are just power/ego trippers following up on their conquests.

you should have taken pictures of him and plastered them on the walls outside all the bars !

Hate arseholes in bars - as you say most of the girls are just nice girls making a few quid.

Thing is these drunk knobs never get is nicer you treat s bar girl the better it gets ... A bar with girls is not a shop where they have to be sold to who ever has money. Curtain bars excepted most girls say who say when and how much.

Yeah.., and this is why I liked Wanchai so much:  the gal chooses you too.  A bit of a "dance" between the two of you, and it's FUN!!  An ultra-fast-paced-romance, where the boring in-between steps are skipped.

But not always...  I have also had my share of:  Enter bar. Gal approaches and says "want to fuck?"  "Maybe".  $1,000!".  Nothing could be easier.... but it just aint any fun when it's like that.  I almost always avoided gals as blunt as this.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Ya know... I think I just figured something out...  there were a number of super-ultra-hot gals in Escape that always avoided me.  I wanted them, to be sure.., woulda shown them a good time and my money..., but they always gave me the cold shoulder.

I think this might be it.. they knew (I was there enough) that I was in it for a whole-nite affair.  Dancing, drinking, dining, fucking, sometimes more drinking and dancing and more fucking...  There was no quick fuck'n'go with me.  Hmmmm... makes sense.

I made bad economic sense to their business.  

fair enough.

I agree the girls that pounce before your arse hits the stool or for you to at least check her out and make eye contact always get the polite sorry not tonight. Call me old fashioned or that I am fooling myself but I like the whole "dating" process (all compressed nicely into one night with a guaranteed happy ending).

Opps. Sorry cruman.. the Neg was an accident!  I agree with you completely.

But I have seen, as I'm sure you have, that some of these super hot girls spend A LOT of time sitting alone, or only getting occasionally approached.  They play it so cool that they don't get much action.  I never approached them either, assuming that their price was too high, and also enjoying the game more.  I can't imagine these girls are getting more than two a night anyway.  It's the hustlers that get 4 a night.

Yes, guys like that are just assholes, I hope karma bites them on the ass - hard.
It was awful from the girl(s) you mention but at least for the most part they can walk away not so for some other girls in Wan Chai.

I have grown close (yes, too close) to a girl in Wan Chai who works in one of the curtain bars and remain in contact with her. The problem for these girls is that they get little choice in who they go with, all controlled by the mamas. Most guys are fine as you would expect but every so often they get the odd guy who really fucks them over, breaks your heart to hear the stories.

Typically they get bar-fined and head to a hourly hotel for an hour or two and if its the wrong guy they are really at the mercy of these pricks. You can guess then kind of things that happen I'm sure, makes my blood boil. Of course not much to be done about it but I can tell you if I catch guys doing that kind of thing in an open bar I may well give them a helping hand into the pavement just quietly.

Anyway as Cruman says - if you are reading this 'Andy' stop being a cunt and realise that these girls work hard, have a shit backstory in their home country, often support other members of suit family and are decent people that deserve some respect.

To some extent, the hobby will slowly create its own assholes.  After years of banging hookers some guys just lose all self control and gradually get more and more lewd, almost as if they're looking for another high by testing the limits of poor taste.  It's a power trip by a jaded, cynical personality who no longer (or maybe never could) find fun and interest in another human being.

Hmmm, that's an interesting theory:  that mongering slowly makes a man treat women worse.  Or at least treat WGs worse.  I am not so sure this holds true....

I can say for certain that the opposite is true in my case, and I must think a LOT of cases.  I was never nasty with any, but early, early on I was certainly aloof, reserved, and colder.  But because I have got to know soooooooooooooooooo many hookers (was that enough "o's to get the point accross? hehe) and know the backstories of so many of them, I cant help but understand them better and see them as just girls.  Ones who made a choice, of course -- either out of laziness to try the "real" world; or out of desperate poverty; of for other reasons (some honorable, many not).

In any case, they are worthy of my empathy at the very least.  To add to their troubles would be rather unthinkable.

I cant imagine any "decent man" who enjoyed time with a WG to walk away feeling less respect for WGs than what he held before being with one the first time.  Before you've ever been to one all a guy has to define a hooker is what society says we are supposed to think:  a nasty, drug-addicted thief-whore!  Worst people ever!  After being with one you quickly see the words "beautiful, tender, sexy, funny... etc. etc." more accurately described the woman you just spent time with.   

On the other hand, I can easily imagine many natural assholes who only get worse by seeing WGs.  They naturally think the worst of people anyway, and seek out encounters where they can display their superiority.  

My guess is that the Andy's of the world are assholes in most facets of their life.  They're naturals at it.

I believe there's probably an element of predisposition in action ...

a bit like happy people tend to become happy when they're drunk, and miserable people turn into depressed drunkards

A guy who has relationship issues, and goes to whores, is likely to act out all his resentment and frustration.  Whereas a nice guy (like you and me ) who sees girls as human beings to give and receive mutual needs with is likely to become more empathetic from more familiarity.

you should had told him right in the face...

I see those type of guys occasionally. To be fair I have a lot of respects for most of these girls, even when I don't want to bang I still enjoy talking to the girls. Most of them are better fun than the gold diggers you find in LKF.